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  cronius77

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2/08/13 4:58:44 PM#21
yeah agree with the above poster , if vanguard was just so great it would not of been next to dying and had to have free to play to save it. Its the same with games like Tera also , these games do not just lose population because they are great games. Vanguard is improving but they have glaring issues that people cannot get past like the laggy clunky combat and interface that is unresponsive. Free to play is a last chance effort to make a profit on the game. If it picks up in population you will get a long time of development and more devs working the game but not all the time the devs are willing to actually fix what most complain about. I really hope vanguard gets new life and plenty of new content , I find it better than EQ2 personally and its a great throwback mmorpg. But before I played it again they would have to update the stats for toons , the UI responsiveness , and the combat animations to actually be fluid and stop skipping frames.
  allegria

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OP  2/08/13 6:07:23 PM#22
Originally posted by ironhelix
Originally posted by allegria

Anyone who wants to try Vanguard... do not listen to most of the negative posts here. Most of them are referencing:

1. opinion

2. old / inaccurate infomormation

3. posted by folks that do not play..

 

Try the game yourself, its free now.

I want to love Vanguard, I really do. I bought a box on launch day, and gave it my best shot. I recently came back after it went free-to-play, and not much has changed. Despite enormous leaps in computer hardware, Vanguard plays about as well as it did at launch. If you can look past how terribly the game is optimized, mobs warping around, crippling lag during raids, and latency in 300-500 range for no reason at all, then there is a diamond in the rough. Frankly, I moved on a while ago, and I really don't see any reason to play this game over EQ2, or even the original EQ.

I have been playing for years, since launch off and on.

Never seen a mob warp once.

Never seen a ping over 200 ( usually aroun d 150-180 for me ) other than the isle during F2p, it was a lag fest for sure.

Of course, if network latency is your real concern, the development staff is redoing the networking code.

  allegria

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OP  2/08/13 6:09:17 PM#23
Originally posted by cronius77
yeah agree with the above poster , if vanguard was just so great it would not of been next to dying and had to have free to play to save it. Its the same with games like Tera also , these games do not just lose population because they are great games. Vanguard is improving but they have glaring issues that people cannot get past like the laggy clunky combat and interface that is unresponsive. Free to play is a last chance effort to make a profit on the game. If it picks up in population you will get a long time of development and more devs working the game but not all the time the devs are willing to actually fix what most complain about. I really hope vanguard gets new life and plenty of new content , I find it better than EQ2 personally and its a great throwback mmorpg. But before I played it again they would have to update the stats for toons , the UI responsiveness , and the combat animations to actually be fluid and stop skipping frames.

Population has picked up to 08 levels.. It did not go f2p to save, again more information that is just wrong. they did it to INCREASE revenue..

Did eq2 need to be saved ? nope, they went f2p for more revenue, as they did with EVERY OTHER SOE title.

This is what i mean guys, call it like it is or move on, the BS in these threads is just unreal... that was the point of my OP.

  echolynfan

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2/09/13 12:36:53 PM#24
Originally posted by SuperNick

It's a little bit past it now really isn't it?

It was never a successful game on release, I cant imagine it got better with age. I'm sure it isn't as broken as it once was but let's be honest the game ranks down there pretty low as MMOs go.

Wrong - I;ve played many MMO's and VG is one of the better ones. Crafting is complex and deep and the world is large and seamless. There's player housing and ships and so much more. You can wate your money on the new crap or try VG for free and upgrade later if you like it :)

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  echolynfan

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2/09/13 12:38:20 PM#25
Originally posted by olepi

Vanguard is an old-school MMO. No hand-holding, no easy mode. It has a large, wide open virtual world, with tons of content and no instances. No loading screens. Lots of interesting classes, and lots of things to do besides fight (crafting/harvesting, diplomacy, fishing).

It is basically PvE only, with raiding as the end-game.

It does have some hitching problems, and some bugs left. But the population is decent now, with the F2P people checking it out, and the game is fun.

Try it out before relying on old information.

+1

Currently playing as Pete Puma on Excalibur. FF ARR - The best MMO I've played since SWG!

  Grym

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2/09/13 12:54:45 PM#26
I played in beta.  The game was broke.  Came back a year after release, it was better.  Played the game for about a year and had fun. Worth a try for those who haven't.  It is a good game.

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  Scypheroth

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2/09/13 8:42:01 PM#27

i tryed it coudnt get into it...felt to generic. But im also bored of the MMORPG games....that is what 6 years of WoW will do...

now the only game i play cuz its the only fun game is DOTA2

  SuperNick

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2/09/13 8:44:15 PM#28

I tried it last year for those intent on defending the game.

It was better than release but nothing was that gripping.

It enjoys a niché community which some enjoy, and kudos to them; play what you enjoy!

I read enough gamer sites, enough forums and chat with enough MMO buddies to know this game is in no way a real contender for most NEW people who want to start playing.

People who rush to defend this game, seemingly to "disprove" my opinon (is that even possible) will be nostalgic hearty defenders of the game.

Fact remains it was a mess on launch, became a better game over time, was ALWAYS designed to appeal to a very select niché market of players. (Primarily EQ1 players, seeing as most of the Vanguard developers worked on EQ1)

  Tsumo

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2/09/13 8:46:33 PM#29

Playing this with my buddy and I have to say we are both loving it.

Just can`t get enough, it's been awhile were i had to force myself to stay awake so i could just play that little bit longer.

 

  Dizzler

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Joined: 9/12/05
Posts: 231

Wtf...

2/09/13 10:00:16 PM#30
Originally posted by echolynfan
Originally posted by SuperNick

It's a little bit past it now really isn't it?

It was never a successful game on release, I cant imagine it got better with age. I'm sure it isn't as broken as it once was but let's be honest the game ranks down there pretty low as MMOs go.

Wrong - I;ve played many MMO's and VG is one of the better ones. Crafting is complex and deep and the world is large and seamless. There's player housing and ships and so much more. You can wate your money on the new crap or try VG for free and upgrade later if you like it :)

/Agree

  Amegashie

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2/12/13 6:09:50 AM#31

If you like the idea of an old school MMORPG over the actual implementation and current quality standards ranging from engine performance over bugs, animations not hurting your eyes and connectivity to UI responsiveness you just might enjoy it.

 

Otherwise you won't. Just too many basic technical issues.

  Elsabolts

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2/12/13 6:15:25 AM#32

One of the best Old school mmo's out there and looks like it will continue grow. The best kept secrete out there.

  Sata123

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2/12/13 8:52:49 AM#33
Originally posted by steuss
What about the game makes it RPG if there is no class custimization available other than gear?

 

Shaman patron, Cleric affinities, Paladin's/Druid's offencive/healing stance , Necro forms , Bard songs and all the other different stances that all the classes have (Offensive tank or healer/Tanking Monk or Bloodmage/Support Psi etc.).Very good variety and depth inside the classes.I hope for an implementation of AA soon tho.

  Fangrim

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2/12/13 9:16:03 AM#34

Its a good game and people giving wrong information such as 'I have the best pc possible and mobs take 5 seconds to fall over after I kill them' are just BS.someone said that in another VG post. Either he/she is lying about the 5 second delay or thier pc is shit,either way he /she was lying.

As its about opinions I think MMORPG's should NOT be 'action' combat with one hotbar,my opinion is its aimed at retarded players that want easy play,easy fix,xp for walking around,harvesting carrots and making metal underpants and 'oh look I havn't even killed a mob and i am level 47 adventure!'

These are the retards that jump from game to game and pre order every piece of shit that launches then move on to the next piece of crap and can't play games like VG that have depth and dosn't hand hold.

  MurlockDance

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2/12/13 2:32:14 PM#35
Originally posted by Fangrim

Its a good game and people giving wrong information such as 'I have the best pc possible and mobs take 5 seconds to fall over after I kill them' are just BS.someone said that in another VG post. Either he/she is lying about the 5 second delay or thier pc is shit,either way he /she was lying.

As its about opinions I think MMORPG's should NOT be 'action' combat with one hotbar,my opinion is its aimed at retarded players that want easy play,easy fix,xp for walking around,harvesting carrots and making metal underpants and 'oh look I havn't even killed a mob and i am level 47 adventure!'

These are the retards that jump from game to game and pre order every piece of shit that launches then move on to the next piece of crap and can't play games like VG that have depth and dosn't hand hold.

I agree with you except for your first paragraph. I think the poster exaggerated when he said 5 seconds, but it takes about one second for the mobs to 'fall dead' which is still pretty slow considering a ping of 150 ms (as an example).

This is not his computer at fault, this is an internet problem perhaps either something about Vanguard's servers or something about how his connection is being routed to the Vanguard servers. I am pretty sure I have a similar issue since my ping is high and I have noticed the same thing with delayed deaths of mobs and a sluggish UI/response time.

Outside of bad lag (internet lag here), the game runs well on my laptop in the sense that it does not hitch like ToR does. I do not get fps slow downs at all in the game on high settings, with shadows running, wind in trees, etc. I don't think you need a powerful computer to run the Vanguard engine overall, but the server stability is a very different issue.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  allegria

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OP  2/12/13 3:45:03 PM#36
Yet another opinionated post with no relevence to reality.

You know for a bunch of people who have "moved on" you sure seem to care about vanguard for some reason...

Or maybe some like to troll.
  allegria

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OP  2/12/13 8:26:05 PM#37
Originally posted by SuperNick

I tried it last year for those intent on defending the game.

It was better than release but nothing was that gripping.

It enjoys a niché community which some enjoy, and kudos to them; play what you enjoy!

I read enough gamer sites, enough forums and chat with enough MMO buddies to know this game is in no way a real contender for most NEW people who want to start playing.

People who rush to defend this game, seemingly to "disprove" my opinon (is that even possible) will be nostalgic hearty defenders of the game.

Fact remains it was a mess on launch, became a better game over time, was ALWAYS designed to appeal to a very select niché market of players. (Primarily EQ1 players, seeing as most of the Vanguard developers worked on EQ1)

This post is accurate... one thing however is not... some of us that play Vanguard and are trying to quell the mountain of innaccurate information and assumptions are not claiming VG is anything but what you said.. 

 

what is VG not ?

1. not for everyone

2. not the newest shiniest 

3. not an Action RPG, not even close

its a throwback game designed for old school RPG folks, eq-esque of course.. I have not read all the posts in here, but VG is just that .. a throwback game.

Some things people seem to get wrong:

1. the game is not dying

2. There IS more content in vangaurd 1-40 than pick your favorite 5 new releases and add it all up.. 

3. There is depth from a world and crafting POV

4. The classes ROCK

5. The dungeons, i challenge anyone to find better dungeons in any modern-ish MMO out there... from 07 till now that is. Non-linear anyone ?

6. crafting - its very very GOOD

7. it is not hard to get grps at any level range these days ( although this might change in the coming months with ESO and Neverwinter coming )

  MurlockDance

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2/13/13 5:59:29 AM#38
Originally posted by allegria
Yet another opinionated post with no relevence to reality.

You know for a bunch of people who have "moved on" you sure seem to care about vanguard for some reason...

Or maybe some like to troll.

Who are you referring to ? I hope not my post about internet lag and Vanguard !

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  Adamantine

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2/13/13 7:52:59 AM#39
Originally posted by iamthekiller
I will DL and try it tonight..can someone list the classes? Thanks!

You will see them on the character creation screen ? Just like the races.

If you just want a good race+class combo, then try Qaliathari Human with Disciple. Disciple is the ultimate solo class (great defense, great offense, amazing single target healing - really feels like godmode) and Qaliathari Human gets a great 10 second immunity to damage (great ability to have even at maxlevel).

There are other really great solist classes, but they either require some skill (Necromancer) or good equipment (Dread Knight).

Or if you just want to avoid the worst classes, avoid Warrior and Monk. Both of them cant solo much at all. Now we have some nice population nowadays thanks to free to play, but everyone likes to solo once in a while.

  inmysights

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2/13/13 7:59:15 AM#40
I was pissed when it went ftp as I was subbing for about 6months when it launched, then came back for another 6 months. I was using randolph as my flying mount and they took it away from me and I said I would never play again because that was just rediculous.

I am so good, I backstabbed your face!

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