Originally posted by Tibernicus

Originally posted by Portland

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Portland

 

They want me to either pay for a subscrition or an unlocker ? Nah this is not Free to play.

So pay the few dollars for the "unlocker" and have at it.

It seems you are standing on ceremony.

Thats not Free to play, not true...  

The word "FREE" doesnt belong to Vanguards Model because you need to buy something sooner or later.

 

AION is Free to Play - VG is a Free Trial as it always was, they just changed it a bit and called it F2P ;)

 

 

 

Aion is free in the west because it has millions of paying subscribers in the east... why can't you people understand this? How about instead you compare it to a game its similar to, LotRO, which has a FAR more restrictive FTP system?

I'm playing Vanguard and I haven't HAD to buy anything.

Please don't lie about other games the reason why Lotro is truely ftp is because of turbine points. A new char can start off on a free account and grind tittle, and deeds to get token coins. The first time he uses those coins to do anything ie buy the mount riding skill, they are bumped to premium. Everything can be unlocked on lotro without paying a dime. 

Vanguard is not like this. F2P means Free to Play. I understand how the op is feeling because with all the MMO's out there that are truely f2p people wont stick around for long. 

For instance Eden Eternals fan base dropped significantly when they made eden crystals [nt] because it meant that the game was p2w Pay to Win because ingame items had to be bought with realy money that gave unfair advantages. 

If Vanguard is making it so higher quality items have to be paid for in order to pvp or pve on a fair even ground then it is P2W. Regardless of what you think Free means FREE.

You guys should know by now that from SOE previous titles that went f2p that they will severely gate you in progression. A very big dissapointment for me also as i wanted to try out Vanguard once again.

OP, I don't see a problem with a business trying to earn money from their own product.

The game is free to play because you simply dont have to pay anything to play it. Now if you want to experiece everything that the game has to offer then you have to pay.

How the **** is this a trial, or IN WHAT SENSE it is not a FREE TO PLAY.

All dungeons are FREE, all raids, all quests are FREE, all zones are FREE, all levels are FREE, you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent.

It is if you want to become more powerful and use higher level items, you have to pay. That doesn't mean you can't do the same content with a bit worse gear IF you're so CHEAP that you are not willing to spend 2$ to unlock 5 items.

Originally posted by Thillian

How the **** is this a trial, or IN WHAT SENSE it is not a FREE TO PLAY.

All dungeons are FREE, all raids, all quests are FREE, all zones are FREE, all levels are FREE, you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent.

It is if you want to become more powerful and use higher level items, you have to pay. That doesn't mean you can't do the same content with a bit worse gear IF you're so CHEAP that you are not willing to spend 2$ to unlock 5 items.

We get it, you are not gated to content you can gio into. But what good is that content if you have to buy what you find inside of it? Oh and housing isnt free and a deciding factor alone for most people. Dont say its not free when its clearly not.

Originally posted by Thillian

How the **** is this a trial, or IN WHAT SENSE it is not a FREE TO PLAY.

All dungeons are FREE, all raids, all quests are FREE, all zones are FREE, all levels are FREE, you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent.

It is if you want to become more powerful and use higher level items, you have to pay. That doesn't mean you can't do the same content with a bit worse gear IF you're so CHEAP that you are not willing to spend 2$ to unlock 5 items.

"All dungeons are FREE", except you're gear sucks and you can't go to top tier without feeling millstone around the neck.

 

"all quests are FREe", except you have to pay to use your quest reward

 

"you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent.", except high level dungeons because of the gear...

By your definition, any demo can be called 'free to play'. You just have to not be gimped.

 

 

Vanguard is a paytrap. Remember, nobody asked for VG to be f2p. They did this themselves. They probably wanted more money or wanted populated servers. Neither will be achieved with this horrendous system

Originally posted by Portland

Originally posted by tank017
Lol,companies are going to try and make a buck somehow.no mmo will ever truly be free

Wrong, 

AION is completly free, no need to buy anything........ 

And so is Guild Wars 2

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Originally posted by vgamer

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Originally posted by Thillian How the **** is this a trial, or IN WHAT SENSE it is not a FREE TO PLAY. All dungeons are FREE, all raids, all quests are FREE, all zones are FREE, all levels are FREE, you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent. It is if you want to become more powerful and use higher level items, you have to pay. That doesn't mean you can't do the same content with a bit worse gear IF you're so CHEAP that you are not willing to spend 2$ to unlock 5 items.

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"All dungeons are FREE", except you're gear sucks and you can't go to top tier without feeling millstone around the neck.

 

"all quests are FREe", except you have to pay to use your quest reward

 

"you can go anywhere and play as long as you like without spending a single cent.", except high level dungeons because of the gear...

By your definition, any demo can be called 'free to play'. You just have to not be gimped.

 

 

Vanguard is a paytrap. Remember, nobody asked for VG to be f2p. They did this themselves. They probably wanted more money or wanted populated servers. Neither will be achieved with this horrendous system

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So you are expecting a game to play on that doesn't try to make some money, to pay for maintenance, servers, a little profit?

Exactly what world have you been living in?

Free is an illusion. Not even Linux stands for free, it stands for freedom, much like Vanguard.

Please tell me of something that is completely free? There isn't. They either have ads or sell on your details or you buy something, there is always something, there is always a catch, at least VG tells you up front.

Free to Play (F2P) means you can play it without paying a dime, this is very true of VG. If you want to pick up epic gear or have things more useful or helpful, then you pay but you don't need them to play...

Originally posted by Portland

well yes i can use my old L50 characters, i can use all the items on my characters

but i cant ever buy and use new items from the auction house or use the loot i find if its better than Green Items.  Almost every Item in the Auction house is RED and not useable for my characters....

They want me to either pay for a subscrition or an unlocker ? Nah this is not Free to play.

This Free to play Model is far to limited , its another free Trial as usual for SOE. This F2P Model wont bring back VG..

VANGUARD will remain on my Harddisk as a test programm for new Hardware thats it. Thats what its good for as F2P...

VANGUARD is still PAY TO PLAY because no one will ever reach level 50 in this F2P Model with fun...... 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ SOE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

p.s Vanguard F2P is still neat for some Sightseeing to show some friends the nice Grafics.

That sounds a lot like when they made EQ2 freemium. They forced people to pay to unlock classes and races people got in expansions they paid for meaning they force you to pay twice for the same content.

I quit when I heard they were making the game F2P and how.

It might be fine for people who are new and never played their games though but for old players it means you will have to pay more now than you did when the game was P2P, not less as many people seems to think.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Portland

well yes i can use my old L50 characters, i can use all the items on my characters

but i cant ever buy and use new items from the auction house or use the loot i find if its better than Green Items.  Almost every Item in the Auction house is RED and not useable for my characters....

They want me to either pay for a subscrition or an unlocker ? Nah this is not Free to play.

This Free to play Model is far to limited , its another free Trial as usual for SOE. This F2P Model wont bring back VG..

VANGUARD will remain on my Harddisk as a test programm for new Hardware thats it. Thats what its good for as F2P...

VANGUARD is still PAY TO PLAY because no one will ever reach level 50 in this F2P Model with fun...... 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ SOE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

p.s Vanguard F2P is still neat for some Sightseeing to show some friends the nice Grafics.

That sounds a lot like when they made EQ2 freemium. They forced people to pay to unlock classes and races people got in expansions they paid for meaning they force you to pay twice for the same content.

I quit when I heard they were making the game F2P and how.

It might be fine for people who are new and never played their games though but for old players it means you will have to pay more now than you did when the game was P2P, not less as many people seems to think.

Um...prior to F2P players who were still playing were paying a regular $15 a month subscription.  That option still exists with the F2P version and offers everything the previous P2P version did.  How exactly did the change for VG effect people who were/are willing to pay a regular subscription?

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Originally posted by miguksaram

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Originally posted by Loke666

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Originally posted by Portland well yes i can use my old L50 characters, i can use all the items on my characters but i cant ever buy and use new items from the auction house or use the loot i find if its better than Green Items.  Almost every Item in the Auction house is RED and not useable for my characters.... They want me to either pay for a subscrition or an unlocker ? Nah this is not Free to play. This Free to play Model is far to limited , its another free Trial as usual for SOE. This F2P Model wont bring back VG.. VANGUARD will remain on my Harddisk as a test programm for new Hardware thats it. Thats what its good for as F2P... VANGUARD is still PAY TO PLAY because no one will ever reach level 50 in this F2P Model with fun......  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ SOE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ p.s Vanguard F2P is still neat for some Sightseeing to show some friends the nice Grafics.

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That sounds a lot like when they made EQ2 freemium. They forced people to pay to unlock classes and races people got in expansions they paid for meaning they force you to pay twice for the same content. I quit when I heard they were making the game F2P and how. It might be fine for people who are new and never played their games though but for old players it means you will have to pay more now than you did when the game was P2P, not less as many people seems to think.

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Um...prior to F2P players who were still playing were paying a regular $15 a month subscription.  That option still exists with the F2P version and offers everything the previous P2P version did.  How exactly did the change for VG effect people who were/are willing to pay a regular subscription?

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I agree and no body is "forcing" you to play, lol never heard such hard times...

If you don't like the payment model, find a game that you like.

Can't believe how many people want every thing free and are not willing to pay for anything, then wonder why there aren't any decent games they can play. Well its because the games industry is not a charity.

Please, these QQ threads are getting old. VG, a commercial product, has systems in place that try to generate money - get over it already.

I still don't understand why so many people think a service like an MMO should be 100% free. Do you guys walk into shops and restaurants expecting free dinners and free clothes? Sure, I admit that ideally I would prefer it that way too, but sadly we live in a capitalist world. If you want totally free things to do, try something else than entertainment consumption.

Also, I feel sorry for those who still haven't figured out that "free to play" never means "100% free for everyone without restrictions". I'm sure it hurts to have your entitlement illusions shattered, but just try to remember that someone else is paying for your gameplay whenever you play a game like Aion, and I'm sure you'll feel a lot better.

While I realize it's only the majority of the vocal community that this next comment is referring to and that is by and large a small portion of the overall community as a whole I feel it still needs to be said.

Since when has it EVER been acceptable to expect welfare, AKA free hand outs, to not have limits?  If you can afford to play PC games you can afford to cough up some cash to support a game you like.  Hell even console games, typically considered a cheaper gaming option, cost cash even if you are only renting them via a service like Gamefly.

its easy to predict that Vanguard will raise its player base for a few weeks then loose it again.

This F2P Model isnt and wont be the solution to Vanguards playerbase problems. Its to restricted and has nothing to do with "FREE" to play.

Sooner or later you need Orange or Better Items.........

Its just another Trial in another form.... thats a fact

Originally posted by Portland

its easy to predict that Vanguard will raise its player base for a few weeks then loose it again.

This F2P Model isnt and wont be the solution to Vanguards playerbase problems. Its to restricted and has nothing to do with "FREE" to play.

Sooner or later you need Orange or Better Items.........

Its just another Trial in another form.... thats a fact

I couldn't agree more. The fact you can level to 50 for free using blue or worse drops is irrelevant. Part of playing a MMORPG is the loot. Why else have it in the game. So you can unlock the slots for 50 cents (how many slots does a character have?) is not a good solution either. You have 10 - 12 slots to unlock on 1 character. If you play alts.. again how many are there? and it's 10 - 12 slots to unlock on each (that's just for adventuring) the price suddenly doesn't look so attractive. It's forever you say? .. I don't play MMOs forever and there is no garuntee this game will be around forever, so a forever deal is a good deal for SoE, not so much for me.  

Seriously I couldn't play ANY MMORPG without gear progression and I certainly couldn't play one where I only had the option of only playing 1 or two different choices. So the pricing scheme sucks for this player.

 

I would gladly pay money to unlock a whole host of other things, since I don't want or expect a free ride (I've been known to spend money on item shops before) but item locks is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a long time

 

Then it's 15 bucks for a gold membership. Are they nuts?. The people playing prior to the convertion will not care because they have been paying 15 forever and consider this a good deal but for me, this should be a 9 or 10 bucks at most and even that is a bit high.

 

F2P is suppose to bring people into the game who doesn't want to pay 15 a month. Not to lure people into the game who never heard of it before because that ship has long since sailed. 

Vanguard f2p model is a strange one but not very restrictive imo. With a healthy pop, this game is worth a sub. If you enjoy the game why not sub. The small team behind this game wants it to survive and expand, as do I. If you dont like just move on, pls.

Originally posted by Aquazen
 just move on, pls.

And I suspect most will. Enjoy your continuing low pop

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Aquazen
 just move on, pls.

And I suspect most will. Enjoy your continuing low pop

And there we have it. Haters gonna hate. Have fun with your mmo Starpower. I do however suspect that you cant enjoy it and thus sitting on forums and nag about others enjoyment. 

Originally posted by Aquazen
Vanguard f2p model is a strange one but not very restrictive imo. With a healthy pop, this game is worth a sub. If you enjoy the game why not sub. The small team behind this game wants it to survive and expand, as do I. If you dont like just move on, pls.

It seems like some people are looking to find fault with the F2P model as half of the arguments are about walls the player won't hit for 20 or 30 levels. At that point, if a person has played 20 or 30 levels of Vanguard for free (and 30 levels in VG is a lot longer than 30 levels in LOTRO, WOW or most other MMOs) and has a problem with spending maybe a dollar or two a month now and then after that, then it's not a problem with F2P, but a problem with an odd sense of entitlement.