One of the reasons why VG is not as successful is this kind of post, made by someone who obviously does not know what he is talking about (or is using 1 year old bashing posts ideas)....

I'm not gonna go through your steps (someone did it well previously)...but it's definitely not correct...

The only advice i could give to people actually wondering what VG is worth is:

TRY IT! - DO NOT READ THIS KIND OF IGNORANT POST

Originally posted by rascalcmos

The only advice i could give to people actually wondering what VG is worth is:

TRY IT! - DO NOT READ THIS KIND OF IGNORANT POST

I am not telling people to not try it.  The Vanguard community and SOE are:

Vanguard Community Tells People Not to Try It

Your community is by saying, "Go back to WoW" and "stop complaing" about legitimate errors, broken quests, incomplete content, and a bad end-game.

SOE Tells People Not To Try It

Even more, SOE is telling people not to try it by 1) not offering a trial and 2) making a half-hearted effort to improve the game's many bugs, performance issues, and other "problems."

You give me too much power over subscription numbers.  If anything, people like me that WANT to return but do not are, if anything, a part of the solution.  I hope my posts would encourage SOE to do more to realize Vanguard's potential as a competitive player in this wacky industry. 

Originally posted by Autodidact82

 

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Originally posted by declaredemer

 

 

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Originally posted by brostyn
VG is close to being on auto-pilot.
For all the potential this game has, it seems extremely unlikely SOE will tap that.

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I think that is what is sad and disappointing, and yet SOE digs its reputation even deeper by acquiring another title and not working on it. SOE and EA seem to behave similarly.


Vanguard could have been a 750k to 1.5m subscriber game if it were completed. The groundwork is there fore an extraordinary MMORPG experience.

It is sad and disappointing SOE did not have the intention to complete Vanguard.

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Yea, ok... McQuaid, and his sorry A-Team. Code the game like garbage. Promised people... oh this and that going to be in the game.
Game launch's.. big disaster. Buggy as hell,performance terrible. They tried and tried and tried. But then failed until when like 4-6 month's later and sink.
SOE saves the game(Appauld).. by buying it from Sigil. Hires some people i guess from Sigil. Still you got a buggy.. under performing game. All this time.. been to learning Sigil's crap code.. then improving game performance (Which is number one priority, in my book).
SOE had no obligation what so ever. To continue what Sigil started. Last time i checked it's not Sigil's game anymore. I'm not here to defend SOE.. cause they proved they were jackass's with SWG (people should get over it already).
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SOE only has improved performance, and made it playable now. So they could attract new people. And not have them run away in terror.. due to bad performance. I don't expect them... to go on all the promises Sigil promised us. And I knew Sigil was full of s*** anyways.
Get over it already... this isn't a SWG case. Why don't you go find where McQuaid lives and stalk him... you might run into, other VG bashers.. while your at it.
You guy's could have tea, and cookies. And bout how a big bad video game company (Sigil or SOE) ruined your lives.

 

Woah. Are you ok?

Originally posted by declaredemer

 

Originally posted by rascalcmos

The only advice i could give to people actually wondering what VG is worth is:

TRY IT! - DO NOT READ THIS KIND OF IGNORANT POST

I am not telling people to not try it.  The Vanguard community and SOE are:

 

 

Vanguard Community Tells People Not to Try It

Your community is by saying, "Go back to WoW" and "stop complaing" about legitimate errors, broken quests, incomplete content, and a bad end-game.

 

SOE Tells People Not To Try It

Even more, SOE is telling people not to try it by 1) not offering a trial and 2) making a half-hearted effort to improve the game's many bugs, performance issues, and other "problems."

 

 

You give me too much power over subscription numbers.  If anything, people like me that WANT to return but do not are, if anything, a part of the solution.  I hope my posts would encourage SOE to do more to realize Vanguard's potential as a competitive player in this wacky industry. 

You know nothing... and it's sad and funny now. You can walk into any MMORPG out there right now. And one person talk's smack bout the game. The overall response will be "Stop playing" or "Go back to WoW".

Vanguard's community... is one of the nicest and mature MMORPG communities i've been a part of. The last thing we need. Is a jerk like you coming in... ruining it for people coming and learning the game.. and accepting the game for what it is. We know the game still has issues. The communuity is rather vocal about it on the offical forums.

SOE want's people to play this game. That's why their main focus has been improving game performance. Which they have done VASTLY. Lot of bug's have been fixed. No point offering a trial when the game play's like dog crap. And you still can't get it through your head. You further more... keep letting all of us know. That you know and never did know anything bout this game. It's time for you to jump off the SOE/VG bashing bandwagon.

Originally posted by brostyn

Originally posted by Autodidact82

 

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Originally posted by declaredemer

 

 

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Originally posted by brostyn
VG is close to being on auto-pilot.
For all the potential this game has, it seems extremely unlikely SOE will tap that.

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I think that is what is sad and disappointing, and yet SOE digs its reputation even deeper by acquiring another title and not working on it. SOE and EA seem to behave similarly.


Vanguard could have been a 750k to 1.5m subscriber game if it were completed. The groundwork is there fore an extraordinary MMORPG experience.

It is sad and disappointing SOE did not have the intention to complete Vanguard.

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Yea, ok... McQuaid, and his sorry A-Team. Code the game like garbage. Promised people... oh this and that going to be in the game.
Game launch's.. big disaster. Buggy as hell,performance terrible. They tried and tried and tried. But then failed until when like 4-6 month's later and sink.
SOE saves the game(Appauld).. by buying it from Sigil. Hires some people i guess from Sigil. Still you got a buggy.. under performing game. All this time.. been to learning Sigil's crap code.. then improving game performance (Which is number one priority, in my book).
SOE had no obligation what so ever. To continue what Sigil started. Last time i checked it's not Sigil's game anymore. I'm not here to defend SOE.. cause they proved they were jackass's with SWG (people should get over it already).
<Mod edit>
SOE only has improved performance, and made it playable now. So they could attract new people. And not have them run away in terror.. due to bad performance. I don't expect them... to go on all the promises Sigil promised us. And I knew Sigil was full of s*** anyways.
Get over it already... this isn't a SWG case. Why don't you go find where McQuaid lives and stalk him... you might run into, other VG bashers.. while your at it.
You guy's could have tea, and cookies. And bout how a big bad video game company (Sigil or SOE) ruined your lives.

 

Woah. Are you ok?

I'm fine

I guess what pisses me off the most is the tremendous waste Vanguard was in terms of human capital and talent and actual capital. 

Originally posted by declaredemer

I guess what pisses me off the most is the tremendous waste Vanguard  RELEASE was in terms of human capital and talent and actual capital. 

 

I play a max-level raiding cleric. The only real nerf was correcting some way overpowered damage output at one time. And yes, they got clerics right... definitely a fun class to play and unique ways to help my guild and self in various battles. Gone are the days of macro healing in World of Warcraft. I love it!

By the way... anyone who believes sales hype no doubt has a home full of infomercial crap that doesn't work, pay way too much for cars and have a certificate for ownership to the Brooklyn Bridge on their living room wall. <rolls eyes>

Originally posted by Mirrim

 

Fixed.

 

I play a max-level raiding cleric. The only real nerf was correcting some way overpowered damage output at one time. And yes, they got clerics right... definitely a fun class to play and unique ways to help my guild and self in various battles. Gone are the days of macro healing in World of Warcraft. I love it!

Indeed.

And gone the days of "complete heal" in Everquest.  A cleric is supposed to be able to get into the battle, bash foes with a mace.  A Cleric is not a "priest" as many developers have made it.

The Cleric in Vanguard was the most fun class in any MMORPG I ever played.   Many other classes are fun in Vanguard as well: Bard, Blood Mage, Rogue (very powerful when played right), inter alia.

When I left Vanguard, I was not able to solo effectively with my Cleric, and I left in frustration; it was the final straw, if you would.

I have to agree with Autodidact82. Dec, on the other hand,  seems to change his opinions with each and every post so his annoying opinions are worthless.

Most of the 12 year olds on here are missing the point that SOE saved this game for whatever it was worth. They have spent more money on it since acquisition than you will make in your lifetime in the hopes of getting $14.95 out of your grubby little hands.

If they hadn't bought this game and made large strides in making it playable, do you think you would even have this game to play right now?

Yes thanks to the whiners and complainers and bitchers, they have made a bad situation worse by scaring off people with their complaining and then wonder where why their server seems lifeless.

By the sound of that article referenced earlier, you should get on Microsoft for doing a McQuaid and bailing back in the critical stages of development instead of stepping up and taking charge.

End result: enjoy what you have and wait for the improvements.

Originally posted by mlbslugger

Dec seems to change his opinions with each and every post so his annoying opinions are worthless.

 

Where have I changed my opinion?

I try to be fair.  If the weight is too much against Vanguard, I will emphasize Vanguard's merits; if the weight is too much in favor about Vanguard, I will counter.

• Were Clerics nerfed?  Yes.
• Were Clerics a fun class pre-nerf?  Absolutely.

Many of you will not read Emerson.   You should be open to other opinions and always be consistent in one respect:  open-minded.  I do not have an agenda (pro or anti SOE, Vanguard, etc.), which might be strange for you to see.  What about Emerson?  "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."  Somewhat reminds me of Bush; how he would rather be "principled" than "smart." 

Originally posted by declaredemer

 

• Were Clerics nerfed?  Yes.
• Were Clerics a fun class pre-nerf?  Absolutely.

The cleric has been made into an awesome class. They now have the option to follow different "affinities" which either increase their melee, casting, healing and / or other aspects of the cleric.