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EVE Online News - Band of Brothers Alliance Disbanded
Posted by Keith Cross on Feb 05, 2009 | 53 comments in our forums
As many EVE players already know, the war between the alliances BoB and GoonSwarm entered a new chapter yesterday with the fall of BoB caused by what looks to be corporate espionage. A director at BoB was able to make off with a sizable amount of ISK and goods before disbanding the alliance and causing their sovereignty to reset in their territories. This means that the alliance has lost the hard earned rights that sovereignty grants, along with the loss of their alliance name.
The exact events that led up to the current situation, and the fallout from it, are still hazy and we'll be following this story as it develops.
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This thread on the EVE Forums recounts the events.
This thread on the EVE Forums looks to explain the events to new players and non players.
Or check out this thread on MMORPG.com's EVE Forums.
That what you get when try conquer whole galaxy
ISK theft seems like it has been a growing trend in recent months, lol.
That's big news. Wouldn't be surprised to read this in non-gaming news sources.
Sarcasm?
not really, eve has made the major papers before (NYtimes)
Is this game a game that new players could enjoy ? or will you be too far behind everyone?
You will be way far behind everyone both in skills and manufacturing.
You will be way far behind everyone both in skills and manufacturing.
untrue, i just started and am enjoying it greatly, been playing for about 3 months total.and already do pretty well in pvp.
untrue, i just started and am enjoying it greatly, been playing for about 3 months total.and already do pretty well in pvp.
All your skills are maxed and you are manufacturing T2 blueprints at full factory capacity? You are amazing!
You will be way far behind everyone both in skills and manufacturing.
A common misconception. There are many different roles to play in both combat and trading in PvP. you can really only advance so far in within the context of a given role while still gaining advantages. People who've played a long time happen to be well skilled in many different roles, but that doesn't mean as a new player you can be strong in a single role in a relatively short period of time. The above statement is applicable if your desire is to be as good in as many different ways as someone who has been playing for years, but in a short period of time and that makes no sense.
As far as the question can a new player enjoy it, I'll tell you that EvE is different, frustrating and hard enough that you'll probably hate it, but new people do enjoy it.
it's never too late to start playing this game.
I've been playing this game since 2003.
I have a character with 78 million skill points (5 years old!!!) and an alt with 40 million.
The 78 million SP character is a PvE god.
The 40 million SP character is a scanning/probing god and trades fairly well.
BUT I cannot PvP as well as characters who are 1 year old and who have specialised (in Heavy Assault Cruisers, for example)
Also, I cannot manufacture or mine at all.
So if you specialise in PvP you could eventually beat me on a 1-to-1 fight.
However, this is hypothetical - you rarely get 1-on-1 situations. It is a complex game.
EVE is one of the few games that actually encourages new players and veterans to play together - unless you prefer to tackle in battleships(?).
The march patch is the biggest CCP has ever done for EVE as the entire company (300+ devs) are working on it - and as usual it's free. One of the things they have totally redone is the 'new player experience' which was already way above MMO standards.
If you have any logical sense, bucketloads of time and just a little flair for math, this is the only MMO worth playing - also it's the ONLY real PVP game being actively developed (no WAR is welfare PVP).
A good example. The point to keep in mind is if you come across a 78 million SP player, and he's in a given ship with a given weapon load out, only small % of his skills are actually coming into play. He'll probably still kick your butt if you're new but isn't that how it should be? What games are noobs on par with vets?
I don't consider a game with insurance and the ability to buy isk (ingame coin with real money) a real PvP environment. A real PvP environment doesn't allow you to reduce your loss with sissy mechanics.
i wouldn't be suprised if ccp would trun the clock a few houres back and putt everything back how it was simple reasons really : giving out your account details isn't allowed in anyway especially when it's hacked from what i heard witch was this case . . . and now everyone is making drama all about it because some people can't accept that bob had that space and they couldn't it take over i hear dthe sound message and they said that there were only like 60-70 peole online in bob i mean are they that weak that they can't take over bob space of 60-70 people online at a point that they hacked some bob director account and did all the stuff that was done ? thats nothing but cowardly act if you ask me and a sad loser if you have to do that too be intresting or anything .
Well in any case this was a lame and cowardly act simple as that if you ask me
I don't consider a game with insurance and the ability to buy isk (ingame coin with real money) a real PvP environment. A real PvP environment doesn't allow you to reduce your loss with sissy mechanics.
*Trembles in fear at the size of your epeen*
Get over yourself.
You will be way far behind everyone both in skills and manufacturing.
Doesn't matter how far behind you start. Sure there are gods of PVP, gods of Trade, gods of being an ass. But the chances of you meeting them in the beginning are quite low (well except for that last one). Unless you are the moron who leaves High Security space in their noob ships to go look at 0.0. You'll be dead before ya know what hit ya.
Find a good corp and learn. Eve University is a great place to learn for new pilots. Before you know you be applying to The Graduates and joining them in 0.0 security space.
If you don't like dying, don't even bother.
WOW, thats quite a loss there. Is there any kind of estimate on the total loss of ISK done by that one person?
I gotta say, EVE definitely holds the title of "Best Drama in a Game". Freakin EPIC level drama.
untrue, i just started and am enjoying it greatly, been playing for about 3 months total.and already do pretty well in pvp.
All your skills are maxed and you are manufacturing T2 blueprints at full factory capacity? You are amazing!
You Clearly have "No clue" maxed out...
You DON'T need to be a uber player to play eve. Just good Social skills(IRL not a skill to train
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A good example. The point to keep in mind is if you come across a 78 million SP player, and he's in a given ship with a given weapon load out, only small % of his skills are actually coming into play. He'll probably still kick your butt if you're new but isn't that how it should be? What games are noobs on par with vets?
World War II Online Battle Ground EuropeYou will be way far behind everyone both in skills and manufacturing.
Complete NONSENSE. Pick a specialty and you can be up and running in a month or two.
haha that's the game I've been wasting time with lately *cries*.
And good for EVE, BoB was the corp that had insider DEV's right?
Wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
What does insurance have to do with anything? You PAY for insurance.
By the way, BoB has not been disbanded. Scuttlebutt is, that the goons somehow hacked a BoB account and stole a lot of assets.
I expect there will be some goon accounts banned for this stunt.
Stay tuned for more information on this little drama.
Personally if CCP just banned every goon account the game would be a lot better. Wosrt bunch of jerks on the server bar none.
Say it isnt so.... muhahahaha. now all we need is armegeddon and i would reactivate my accounts and play eve once again
False
New players join every day. New players contribute every day. Get in game... join a corp (Recommend EVE University to new players) and learn to play. Within just a few days you can contribute as a frigate tackler, within a week or two you could be an Electronics Warfare pilot, within a couple months you can be a hack or recon pilot... within less than a year you could be flying capital ships along with the vets.... Within 1.5 - 2 years you're pretty much a "Vet" yourself.
Don't believe me? Check any killboard then go in game and look at the ages of the pilots on both sides of the killmails. Most pilots in EVE are < 2yrs old. Many are <1 year old. By the time you've been in EVE 2 years you're 'older' and 'more skilled' than almost 75% of the population.
Someone needs to check his facts.
Fact: There were 3 accounts, all by the same player, who also uses several password protected forums and has been posting there for the past 3 days.
Fact: The player in question was a Director in Black Nova Corporation AND had a Character that was a Director in Tinfoil Corporation As well as several alt accounts within BoB. Thus it is HIGHLY unlikely this was a hacked account as, by now, CCP would have received a complaint from the actual owner of the accounts involved along with CD Keys and Secret Words. They have not thus this is not just unlikely but untrue.
The only logical conclusion that can be made given those facts is that it was a legit player who got fed up with BoB and decided to screw the alliance over (and made a HUGE profit in the process).
Seriously doubt this to be the case. As stated above multiple accounts of the same player were involved and that player has been active both on the EVE-O forums and Scrapheap both before and after the event.
Do a little digging and you can find the real story of what happened.
This is not true. The account used was used by the actual owner. He was brought into Goons as a spy for bob. Ended up liking Goons more then BoB and when they found out and were going to kick him said screw it, ill show you how dedicated I am and then the plan was cooked up.
My favorite part is the chat logs he got while they were finding out what happened and Molle was going to contact the devs directly over AIM to get them to reverse it. Sorry but the good thing is that the DEV puppets of BoB are finally gone, not Goons. I am not a goon but I have hated BoB since the first time they were caught cheating with the CCP devs by getting free T2 bpo's they had no right to have.
If BoB wasn't disbanded, how do you explain this?
See the Sov loss? Explain that to me?
This is what happened....Ex-BoB director ( well now he is a Ex-Director :P ) decided that he hated being in BoB and felt that they sucked. He decides to then head over to Goons to join them but before doing so he decides the best option would be to hi-jack 15 dreads fitted and rigged along with 100's of ships. He cleaned out the Alliance wallet and rest their standings with everyone. Then he went for the coup de grace so to speak and disbanding the Alliance. The goons had nothing to do with it all but they were in on the plans of this ex-disgruntled BoB director. So in the end BoB was destroyed by one of their own!! Listen and learn the truth.
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/mittani.mp3
There was no hacking or cracking of accounts involved. Just goons being the benefactors of a disgruntled BoB member. The wolves will now be circling the BoB carcass in Delve.
Why is this in the news section? Big clans/alliances/guilds get Disbanded all the time
Ah ok.
So this wasn't a goon finally owning BoB thing.
This was an internal melt down.
Oh well nothing lasts forever.
Alliance Pro tip: never piss off one of your own, Alliance disband is only one button press away LOL!
You don't get much bigger then BoB.
this is one of those historic gaming moments.
You don't get much bigger then BoB.
this is one of those historic gaming moments.
Hardly, it's a game with about 250k subscribers or so its far from a "hisoric gaming moment". Guilds backstab each other all the time, the only reason this gets posted here is because part of the EVE community is known for being a bunch of drama queens.
Hardly, it's a game with about 250k subscribers or gaming, its far from a "hisoric gaming moment". Guilds backstab each other all the time, the only reason this gets posted here is because part of the EVE community is known for being a bunch of drama queens.
well considering Eve is the third largest MMO community in NA/Euro and Bob is well known even for players that didnt get passed Eves trial and Eve has a strong following on these forums it is big news.
Edit: Hell.... BOB has had articles written about them in popular gaming sites.
These arent just normal run of the mill guilds
because in other games, guild get backstabbed and destroyed, it doesn't affect or shape the game like EVE, which territory control is the game. This itself will change the way null sec is handled and played.
Eve is hands down the best MMO out right now. It's 100% original, sandbox (take it as it is), and as FFA as it gets for its design. It's regularly supported, has an awesome an epic sized community, free massive updates, I mean the list goes on with this continues to be a fantastic MMO.
But, this does not mean it is for the faint of heart. The learning curve is STEEP, which is probably the 2nd highest reason why people are turned off by it, first being that its ship based.
That is the biggest pack of lies. So typical of goon disinformation. Sorry the account WAS Hacked! Goon accounts will be banned for this.
CCP is investigating at this moment. The only thing goons are known for are lies and deceit.
BTW the alliance could not be disbanded because the alliance owner is in basic training at the moment and if anyone has a clue what that means, he most certainly does not have access to a computer.
Actually there are plenty of mmorpg's with territory control.
Also metalhead, I'd like to see your sources that EVE Online is the 3rd biggest mmorpg in NA/EU.
Actually there are plenty of mmorpg's with territory control.
ones which shape the game the way EVE alliances do? I think not
Actually there are plenty of mmorpg's with territory control.
Also metalhead, I'd like to see your sources that EVE Online is the 3rd biggest mmorpg in NA/EU.
Its common knowledge really.
Wow = 11 million (jesus christ) FFXI =500k Eve online = 250k -300k Everything else 200k- a few hundred.
go google it, check that mmochart site.
I was online when word got out and EVERY channel I watch including all the locals were filling up with cheers and jeers (mostly cheers). Felt like the end of Jedi when they show all the planets celebrating the end of the Empire, was pretty funny. The best part, NO ONE KNOWS WTF HAPPENS NEXT. Will BOB reform and come back, will Goons even attempt to control the space, massive wars over the territory? That doesn't even begin to touch the economic impact which once again is anyone's guess. Some are guessing it will take months before we really know the real impact.
This is why EVE is so great, player generated content. All CCP needs to do is provide the game mechanics and give us freedom then get out of the way. Hell, my player run bank was robbed recently!
The only thing CCP should do is investigate the hacking claims with CSM looking over their shoulders. If everything happened the way it sounds then CCP needs to just stay focused on the March expansion. Maybe light a candle for BOB.
What did they put in BOB's corp. description "Nice alliance, I think we will take it." That was just classic.
To give you a comparisson of what happend:
In WoW terms - Kungen steals the account info on every single guild member he's ever played with and sells all the chars on ebay at the same time.
That's the comparable amount of drama - dont think that would be news worthy?
Its common knowledge really.
Wow = 11 million (jesus christ) FFXI =500k Eve online = 250k -300k Everything else 200k- a few hundred.
go google it, check that mmochart site.
lol you forgot Lineage 2 and LOTRO and lineage 1
and according to MMOGcharts EVE is 5th place
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html
which is still a good amount of subscribers .... it just isnt 3rd.
Actually there are plenty of mmorpg's with territory control.
Also metalhead, I'd like to see your sources that EVE Online is the 3rd biggest mmorpg in NA/EU.
not an eve player myself, tried it a few times but never really got into it. but what makes this news really huge is that all players in eve are in the same universe, there is not different servers which have an average of 20-30k players on each of them, there is one big universe that has the 200-250k eve players all in it.
so if one of the big alliances in eve dies that means that it has effects on territory control all eve players, and not only on the players of one server like in other mmos. and even in big mmos like wow there are less players per server than in eve.
untrue, i just started and am enjoying it greatly, been playing for about 3 months total.and already do pretty well in pvp.
All your skills are maxed and you are manufacturing T2 blueprints at full factory capacity? You are amazing!
if you approach the game intelligently - you won't have any problems.
if you're an idiot - don't even bother, you'll die just as often as you die in wow, eq2, etc, except you won't just "lose precious time running back to your body" in eve.
I don't consider a game with insurance and the ability to buy isk (ingame coin with real money) a real PvP environment. A real PvP environment doesn't allow you to reduce your loss with sissy mechanics.
what?
Hardly, it's a game with about 250k subscribers or so its far from a "hisoric gaming moment". Guilds backstab each other all the time, the only reason this gets posted here is because part of the EVE community is known for being a bunch of drama queens.
You sound like a complete idiot. And it's obvious you don't or haven't played Eve very long (active 1 year or more). Yes, 250k subscribers....oh yeah all on ONE server.
There is no mmo game that even comes close. WoW is like maybe 20k per server, and maybe 5k concurrent connetions. Eve has sometimes up to 30-40k people playing at the same time.
Furthermore, add to the sandbox of Eve and how the players shape the world and is Eve...there is no comparison in MMO history. You thinking it's not that big deal shows me how little knowledge you actually have of Eve and MMOs in general...
ah a '04 login...great another WoW player who thinks he "knows" MMOs.
Edit: Shadowbane had such things, but not on such a global scale. They were server specific guilds and they didn't rule the server since almost the game conception till now (around 5 years). BoB directly and indirectly influenced how Eve was played by thousands if not 10s of thousands of players.
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<<<goons lied, Bob died>>>>
I dont play Eve anymore but can you hear me laughing?
haha Bob
I wonder if he took "the" T2 bp's?
who cares....
Thank god ( or Oveur ) spying is a part of the game.
It would be pretty dull otherwise
Its common knowledge really.
Wow = 11 million (jesus christ) FFXI =500k Eve online = 250k -300k Everything else 200k- a few hundred.
go google it, check that mmochart site.
lol you forgot Lineage 2 and LOTRO and lineage 1
and according to MMOGcharts EVE is 5th place
http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart1.html
which is still a good amount of subscribers .... it just isnt 3rd.
Ahh damn it I typo'd that wow sub number, in my initial post I said 3rd in NA/Euro.
L1/L2 are big in Asia. Lotro is under Eve with around 150-200k
But yeah your right world wide their 5th.
Its WoW, FFXI (i think those are NA numbers) and EVE.
If that 500k for FFXI is worldwide then that would mean EVE has more subs that them in NA/Euro and personally that's the only sub count i give a shit about.
It realy doesn't matter to me if it was a hack or a traitor.. all I know is I dont have to travel 50 jumps to sit around and wait for the enemy to outnumber us 10:1 before they will engage. The fights are right in our backyard now and even though the enemy STILL wont engage unless they outnumber us by a good margin It's good fun.
Whoever thinks that they can remove BoB from the game, bring it.
And this time they cant whine about cyno jammers and soverignty when they get their butts handed to them.