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  xpowderx

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/05
Posts: 4216

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.
Richard Feynman, Nobel-prize-winning physicist

8/26/06 12:57:04 AM#21

Originally posted by Raver
A new server would be good but i think a new rule-set would even be better:

Make it so there is a server where actual XPing determines how you level.  Each level you then allocate some points to the various skills or save points for bigger skills.  If you fight you gain XP , PVP xp , missions XP , mining XP , research XP etc..

I am so tired of hearing the ... you can still be effective bull. I want to be equal or better not effective.   You can be effective if you ultra specialize.  if you want to be equa/betterl to an existing player then forget it - buy a char off ebay or play something else..  Every new content update is a slew of stuff a newbie wont get near anytime soon.





lol, so you want to be a ganker? you underlined equal and better. Thats a sought after desire by most gank type players. Too bad EVE isnt for you!! Nothing funnier than watching a bunch of noobs(less than 6 months) take down a 3yr pirate char in a dreadnaught with cheap frigates!

Success is your proof;
courage is your armour;
go on, go on, in my strength;
& ye shall turn not back for any!
— Liber AL III:46

  Rreka'al

Novice Member

Joined: 4/27/06
Posts: 450

"The readme of fate is a complex program indeed."

8/30/06 6:46:42 AM#22

Originally posted by TreborLocke

P.S. Farm Newbies?  Most newbies are smart enough to stay in Empire Space (1.0-0.5) and not be ganked.  I found a good corp on day two of playing the game and got my hauling up to help my corp while they helped me.  Sure, I lost a ship to gankers in a .4 system on the way to my destination, but it sure was fun showing the other 6 squads of gankers how much of a carebare I really am and getting away from them before they could even lock me.  I also thank those gankers, I have new tricks to get past em ;)



Your EVE character looks familiar somehow.... But, 1.0 is not always safe. I've gotten ganked by people who didn't even know me before, in Jita even. One of the reasons I no longer play EVE, even though I'll probably be compelled to come back at some point.


  Stumpy26

Novice Member

Joined: 6/01/06
Posts: 190

8/30/06 8:32:11 AM#23
LOL stay away from jita    people always get ganked there. 
  waylanderuk

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Joined: 7/11/04
Posts: 40

9/11/06 9:12:12 AM#24

Originally posted by Raver
Eve despite all the fanbois has just over 100k subrscribers. Compared to WOW , FFXI (500k) its really a niche game.  Its only surviving because there is nothing else out there in space that does anything close.  how long will this last before a good competitior comes in. 

EVE has huge barriers to entry that are getting worse every real time second , your solution is dont worry about SP but I have seen enough poeple say they dont want to join because of real time training that the game could have another 100k on a seperate server if alternative styles of play were allowed.  But maybe CCP wouldnt have its  wallet in poeples pockets so long. 

Lets look at a grind game like EQ. Their doing a progression server so that poeple have a chance to start afresh.  DOAC did a classic server which also does this.

I guess you guys are worried that if another server came up you wouldnt have newbs to farm before they quit in 3 months as most new players would start on a server where time played = sklill gained.  Not time payed = skill gained. 

I played the game , enjoyed it alot at first.  but grew tired of "months" of training I would need to be able to fly the type of ships i wanted to.  They move to an XP server model ill be one of the first to sign up and maybe many others.  Do you want the game to grow ?   In 2-3 years it may be a game propped up by poeple playing too long wondering where are all the new players in the game. 

With your logic every car dealer should have only sedans for sale. Anyone wanting a different car experience can get lost.







Well so you can speak for a potential server population of 1 then right?

They trailed a XP addation to skill trining in the  early days from what I understand...It was explioted big style been tried did not work...

With your logic anybody walking into a car dealership that only does say second hand cars and screams about wanting a brand new one should make the second hand car dealership build a new lot with nothing but new cars in it.

Since most everybody in this thread both new and old disagree with you perhaps your idea is...

1. As popular as a gential wart.

2. Crap

3. not required.

  Scaris

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Joined: 6/03/04
Posts: 5331

9/11/06 9:20:31 AM#25


Originally posted by Plagueshot
I don't know if anyone else feels the same but the biggest thing keeping me from subsribing to eve is the fact that I can never catch up to a long time subscriber. I enjoyed the trial but starting in a game with less then 100,000 skill point when other people have over 20,000,000 is just turning me off from the game. If they opened a brand new server I would subsribe the second the server opened. Anyone else feel the same way or do you like just the one server?


It may seem that way at first but after you play about 6 months you will realize it doesn't matter how many skill points anyone else has because you if you focus on something you will be able to do that aspect as well as them. And then from there you will be able to pick up more diversity as you go. However no player can use all their skills at once, only the ones that pertain to that ship in combat so in combat you can be equal to any long term player with alittle time.

- Scaris

"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  Proteus_Rex

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Joined: 9/10/06
Posts: 16

9/12/06 6:23:28 PM#26

Originally posted by Raver

my analogy (do you know what that means?)  would be the VOLVO dealer wanting to sell you only one model of Vovlo.  Im saying I want to buy Volvo just not the model the dealer is selling.  But this is all too complex for you, your brain is probably straining over the complex words Im speaking. Perhaps I need to talk lEEt speak to get through to you.  If anything your response is so typical of a WOW player you probably play it secretly on the side. 



Actually it's apparently too complex for you, but you don't realize that yet and keep arguing an argument that you've kind of already lost. Lets take the example of the Volvo dealership, having only one specific model (model "A") and YOU want model "B". The Volvo Dealership can accomodate you, if they want, by buying a model "B" for you from the manufactuerer, or they can say "tough shit" and ignore you. Either way, It's the DEALERSHIP that decides what happens; enough people buy and like the model "A" that the dealership doesn't care, really, about model "B". it's like making a billion dollars, then going back to work for ten years in order to make a few extra bucks - it's not worth the time or the expense.

I'm sorry to break your heart, but CCP isn't going to start up a whole new server just to accomodate a minority of people who want a different version of their game, and bitching about it only makes you sound selfish and immature.

  Ambient

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Joined: 9/03/06
Posts: 7

9/14/06 6:36:47 PM#27
I have played eve for half a year now, and I would like to say Eve may not got the best skilling system there is. But its close, it keeps players from "run around" and grinding levell. (Which imop isnt rly much roleplaying over, that is what MMO --> RPG <-- stands for right???) And the SP system helps me personally (cos i can only speak for myself) alot in life alltho i work alot and cant sit home and play Eve all day long. And if Eve have had "Action-Leveling system" i could impossible keep up with all the 15years old player that got nothing better to do than sit home and grind levels all days... if you think a game shouldnt be about its good you can level while not playing and are in my case at work insteed. then to bad for you cos for me its fitting. i know what i want and i got for it. Add. i do play atleast 1-5 hours a day to, some elements of the game req. you to play alot to.

And i totally agree with the dudes further ups writing bout game isnt bout SP. cos its not, after i played this game for 4,5month i kicked ass on a 3year3month old and 1year4month old character. How Come?? i just had a freaking fitting outfit fitting (lots of fit) against the two of them...

so to sum this.. no new server (IMOP)
  Kari_Awn

Novice Member

Joined: 9/03/06
Posts: 12

Stop crying, it''s a waste of good suffering.

9/18/06 10:00:19 AM#28
Here's Proof

You don't need to be an uber 2 yr old character to do some good in PvP.  We don't need new servers

  doomrah

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/18/06
Posts: 381

9/18/06 4:14:56 PM#29


Originally posted by Zorvan
One of the major selling points of Eve has always been the ONE server world.



QFT. I would quit eve if they added another server.

  pittbull1

Novice Member

Joined: 6/14/04
Posts: 109

Its better to have died game then never have been game at all

9/23/06 4:28:52 AM#30

Skills>skillpoints
now go back to wow again please.
thats it, keep going, dont turn around
bye bye


If pitbulls could lock their jaw the first pitbull would still be hanging on

  Delitus

Novice Member

Joined: 11/20/05
Posts: 2

9/27/06 4:46:08 PM#31
The EVE team is doing a good job trying to have everyone who plays EVE on one server so that everything is fair and balanced. Starting off new isn't bad, and it is only to your benefit that there are people who are better than you are in the game. Joining a large, friendly corp will allow you to have access to lots of resources you wouldn't otherwise...helping you learn skills quicker. If anything, it would be more painful (and boring) being at the top.
  rebal88

Novice Member

Joined: 9/25/06
Posts: 97

90% of the sigs with something saying 90% of the teen/general population are lies. lol

10/01/06 11:26:38 AM#32
Iv played both....I got bored of WoW after 2 Months...iv been playing eve 4 months.....Im a noob but there are also ppl that just started..so its not like your on the bottom of the food chain just cuz u started late...I like the challenge of not being the best..and not being able to kill anyone...if i could go around and kill anything i see it would be cool for a few days or a week or so..then it would jst get boring...so yea..GO PLAY YOUR WoW and leave us eve players alone

Also..i find the Eve comunity MUCH better..eve requires teamwork..and you can tell the bad guys from the good...In WoW i spent some of my time with guild members & in dungeons and some pvp..but in Eve im  CONSTANTLY with ppl fighting minning ect.. and  thats wat i like
  GunnyFisher

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Joined: 9/20/06
Posts: 65

"I died again"

10/31/06 7:12:46 PM#33
I have a bunch of corpmates that have 20 mil + sp. They all long for the days of cheap clones.

Seriously man sp just mean you can fly and use a wider variety of stuff. So what my corpmate ca use tech II corps and a tech II tank on a raven, he is flying a crow that can easily be BBQ'd by someone with 1/3 of his skillpoints. He gets into his raven and guess what happens? I simply sit at 200km and shoot at him, or get into my frigate hull and laugh at his torps doing 3 damage to me.... EvE is all about rock paper scissors.

Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.

  ChronoLynx

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Joined: 8/31/04
Posts: 3

12/03/06 8:56:54 PM#34

Originally posted by Plagueshot
I don't know if anyone else feels the same but the biggest thing keeping me from subsribing to eve is the fact that I can never catch up to a long time subscriber. I enjoyed the trial but starting in a game with less then 100,000 skill point when other people have over 20,000,000 is just turning me off from the game. If they opened a brand new server I would subsribe the second the server opened. Anyone else feel the same way or do you like just the one server?
New Characters are now started with 800-810k skillpoints and could pwn me with about 2 more weeks of training. I am a 41million point player and got my ass handed to me on a silver platter by two 6 month old characters when I was in my biggest baddest BS, torp raven, and I had a buddy with me who was a year and a half old. He got out but still, I died. To the point though, a new server would make eve a sucky game tbh because two different brands of politics would suck.
  I2Stry

Novice Member

Joined: 11/23/06
Posts: 1

12/04/06 9:53:47 PM#35

Experience is what you get without receiving what you would...

  JarmenKell

Novice Member

Joined: 7/23/04
Posts: 12

12/10/06 5:12:16 AM#36
For instance dr Caymus or something has 71 mill sp, he thats the highest in EVE.
he has been playing since beta.
but he has no combat skills, in two months time you can take people like that down alone.
you just need the right set up.


ingame name: Roxanna kell.
I once in my Cerberus almost lost to a 3 months noob, becasue he had jammers fitted.
fortunetly he couldnt break my tank, so i managed to leave the fight, though its still a loss because i couldnt take down his scorpion.

Just Specialise. ig you do that, you can be l33t within 6 months, assuming you specialise for something small like a frigate.


  kordrial

Novice Member

Joined: 8/26/06
Posts: 158

"The only thing I fear is reincarnation." - Tupac Shakur

12/10/06 4:18:07 PM#37

Originally posted by Raver
Eve despite all the fanbois has just over 100k subrscribers. Compared to WOW , FFXI (500k) its really a niche game.  Its only surviving because there is nothing else out there in space that does anything close.  how long will this last before a good competitior comes in. 

EVE has huge barriers to entry that are getting worse every real time second , your solution is dont worry about SP but I have seen enough poeple say they dont want to join because of real time training that the game could have another 100k on a seperate server if alternative styles of play were allowed.  But maybe CCP wouldnt have its  wallet in poeples pockets so long. 

Lets look at a grind game like EQ. Their doing a progression server so that poeple have a chance to start afresh.  DOAC did a classic server which also does this.

I guess you guys are worried that if another server came up you wouldnt have newbs to farm before they quit in 3 months as most new players would start on a server where time played = sklill gained.  Not time payed = skill gained. 

I played the game , enjoyed it alot at first.  but grew tired of "months" of training I would need to be able to fly the type of ships i wanted to.  They move to an XP server model ill be one of the first to sign up and maybe many others.  Do you want the game to grow ?   In 2-3 years it may be a game propped up by poeple playing too long wondering where are all the new players in the game. 

With your logic every car dealer should have only sedans for sale. Anyone wanting a different car experience can get lost.







 

 however you forget that EVE (along with maybe WoW, or L2) are the ONLY ones that actually have a growing population past their initial climax which usually occurs soon after launch

  kordrial

Novice Member

Joined: 8/26/06
Posts: 158

"The only thing I fear is reincarnation." - Tupac Shakur

12/10/06 4:29:53 PM#38


Originally posted by Raver

Dear Mr RollinDutch

Were you neglected as a child ?

my analogy (of HIS LOGIC!!! he was pointing out that your analogy doesn't fit his logic, and he was right, just becase he doesn't agree with your view of him, he becomes wrong? eh... go away =/) (do you know what that means?)  would be the VOLVO dealer wanting to sell you only one model of Vovlo.  Im saying I want to buy Volvo just not the model the dealer is selling.  But this is all too complex for you, your brain is probably straining over the complex words Im speaking. Perhaps I need to talk lEEt speak to get through to you.
  If anything your response is so typical of a WOW player you probably play it secretly on the side

funny how you wrote that...


I was making a suggestion I think could help the whole state of the game and bring more players to it  ... but lEEt fanbois dont know any better.

Heres a link to Wiki so you can learn the meaning of "analogy" and maybe learn how to make some elaborate remarks that dont involve foul language and copy cat (WOW) remarks.  Buy a dictionary , can help you heaps out in the real world.  At least take the time to make a reasoned argument or just go and play eve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy









  Eelyen

Novice Member

Joined: 5/11/05
Posts: 5

12/19/06 2:06:36 PM#39

In EVE, it's true it's hard to catch up to that 40m SP pilot.

Bun in reality, the gear you have makes a huge amount of difference as well as the skill points.

If you specialize your character, you can become a highly effective pvp pilot fairly quickly.  Quickly as in a few months.  When people try to branch out and train everything, it really slows down their character advancement.   Alot of people end up getting 2nd, 3rd, and even 4 or more accounts to counteract this.  Allowing them to specialize each character in a different area, helping them reach other goals faster then focusing on one character.

I somehow doubt that another server will be out any time soon.  Although, I can say that if you give it a good and join a 0.0 based alliance, you will find the game quite fun and challenging.  The real PVP is team based, not solo based :)

  elitepwner

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Joined: 10/06/05
Posts: 7

Good Times, Good Couch.

12/29/06 1:45:48 AM#40
Ive been playing EVE for 2 years now.
Maybe even podded a few people on this forum.

I started out worse than the new players get it now.
They all new players get to start off with 800K skillpoints.
Where as when i started there was only 100K if you were lucky, and usually everyone had about 50K.
They have also made it quiet easier for new players to make money.

I suggest that you play the game for more than 2 weeks and realise how much veterans need new players.
A new player in a frigate/T2 frigate is all i ever fly with...
I'm a pirate, and having a noob in a frigate with MWD able to fly in and warp scramble/web them frees up 2 medium slots on my battleship. possibly 3.

So dont count yourself out because your new, just spend some time in the game and youll realise how much new players contribute to the game.
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