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Originally posted by Plagueshot
I don't know if anyone else feels the same but the biggest thing keeping me from subsribing to eve is the fact that I can never catch up to a long time subscriber. I enjoyed the trial but starting in a game with less then 100,000 skill point when other people have over 20,000,000 is just turning me off from the game. If they opened a brand new server I would subsribe the second the server opened. Anyone else feel the same way or do you like just the one server?

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I initially felt this way until I put a little time into the game, learned some mechanics and realized you CAN be a viable PvPer as a fairly new person.

The people with tremendous amounts of skill points simply can do more than a new person....not necessarily better.

Example: You have put some time in ...maybe 6 months and have a badass Battleship with nice equipment. You can PvP and hang with the 20 mil SP person.

The difference is the 20M SP person can fly a Caldari BS, A minmatar BS and maybe some high end industrial ships....AND runs a corp with all the associated skills.

But have no doubt. It will take no small amount of time, say 2 months, to get up there. But you WILL get there, and if you are a smart player, you CAN beat down a 3 year multi million SP vet.

I am still somewhat of a noob, so I invite any critisisms/corrections/bashings from an EVE vet.

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Originally posted by Plagueshot
I don't know if anyone else feels the same but the biggest thing keeping me from subsribing to eve is the fact that I can never catch up to a long time subscriber. I enjoyed the trial but starting in a game with less then 100,000 skill point when other people have over 20,000,000 is just turning me off from the game. If they opened a brand new server I would subsribe the second the server opened. Anyone else feel the same way or do you like just the one server?

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Originally posted by Raver
A new server would be good but i think a new rule-set would even be better:Make it so there is a server where actual XPing determines how you level. Each level you then allocate some points to the various skills or save points for bigger skills. If you fight you gain XP , PVP xp , missions XP , mining XP , research XP etc..I am so tired of hearing the ... you can still be effective bull. I want to be equal or better not effective. You can be effective if you ultra specialize. if you want to be equa/betterl to an existing player then forget it - buy a char off ebay or play something else.. Every new content update is a slew of stuff a newbie wont get near anytime soon.

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FFS people, get rid of this "virtual tail length comparison" with stats called XP/SP/LEVEL or whatever. In EVE SPs only mean abiltiy to use equipment. Because of its freeform playstyle EVE will always produce very different characters, plus in EVE SPs in regard of actual competence mean shit. A low SP character can kill a high SP character, all depending on the situation. If you need a lot of SPs only to "feel better and superior", then stay away from EVE, you won't find fulfillment, not even if you were given a character with 60Million SPs.

EVE is not about SPs!

EVE is one of the few games where high LEVEL != the I win button. You don't need to catch up with older charaters..... Please, get rid of this misconception. EVE does not derive it's fun from having a lot of SPs (ie high "level").

There are people with more SPs than me, and people with less SPs, but I dont give a damn, when I engage in combat. I got my ship and and I see what the other(s) has(have). You engage or avoid based on that information (and if there are others around), not on character age, SPs or whatever. Shipsetup, teamwork, and good RL knowledge of EVE''s mechanics will win you the day over SPs anytime.

oh and @ your idea: The China Cluster is the only thing I accept in regard of multiple servers, since China requires MMOs to comply to certain rules, rules which require an own server. I understand that and I accept it, but multiple western Servers would kill a lot of the uniqueness of EVE, and I certainly would quit if CCP would start to open new ones.

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Originally posted by Raver
A new server would be good but i think a new rule-set would even be better:

Make it so there is a server where actual XPing determines how you level.  Each level you then allocate some points to the various skills or save points for bigger skills.  If you fight you gain XP , PVP xp , missions XP , mining XP , research XP etc..

I am so tired of hearing the ... you can still be effective bull. I want to be equal or better not effective.   You can be effective if you ultra specialize.  if you want to be equa/betterl to an existing player then forget it - buy a char off ebay or play something else..  Every new content update is a slew of stuff a newbie wont get near anytime soon.

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So basicly you are saying a 10 year old kid that has no job, no money and lives off his perants should get the same gear as a 30 year old that has been working very long and hard to get his car, job, wife, house etc.

Am I the only one that finds that rather imature?? Im a noob just like you I only have 1.6 mill sps I get griefed sometimes by a$$hole vets(i made a post about that today). Thats Eve (much like life its unfair and cruel) dont try to change and if you dont like it then please just play another game like some one else said

go play wow

ok thats a deal

You go play your wow and ill play my eve then we both happy

just for your info become a ceo of a corp trying to balance profit, running expenses and man power and tell me EVE isnt like RL (notice i said LIKE) I didnt say it was RL.

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Originally posted by Raver
With your logic every car dealer should have only sedans for sale. Anyone wanting a different car experience can get lost.

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Originally posted by Raver
Eve despite all the fanbois has just over 100k subrscribers. Compared to WOW , FFXI (500k) its really a niche game.  Its only surviving because there is nothing else out there in space that does anything close.  how long will this last before a good competitior comes in. 

EVE has huge barriers to entry that are getting worse every real time second , your solution is dont worry about SP but I have seen enough poeple say they dont want to join because of real time training that the game could have another 100k on a seperate server if alternative styles of play were allowed.  But maybe CCP wouldnt have its  wallet in poeples pockets so long. 

Lets look at a grind game like EQ. Their doing a progression server so that poeple have a chance to start afresh.  DOAC did a classic server which also does this.

I guess you guys are worried that if another server came up you wouldnt have newbs to farm before they quit in 3 months as most new players would start on a server where time played = sklill gained.  Not time payed = skill gained. 

I played the game , enjoyed it alot at first.  but grew tired of "months" of training I would need to be able to fly the type of ships i wanted to.  They move to an XP server model ill be one of the first to sign up and maybe many others.  Do you want the game to grow ?   In 2-3 years it may be a game propped up by poeple playing too long wondering where are all the new players in the game. 

With your logic every car dealer should have only sedans for sale. Anyone wanting a different car experience can get lost.

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You have ovbiously never played EVE.  Skills points determine what you can do in the game, it does not determine if you will, pardon the term, "pwn" them or not.  EVE's PVP system is on skill.  Of course you're going to be blasted out of space if you've only been playing 2 weeks and you decide to go up against someone with 3 years behind his belt.  I suggest you try playing longer.  A game like EVE is a hobby, not a hardcore grind to the top.  THAT is why people pay to play it.  Not because they can level up fast, but because its like a hobby (sort of like collecting/building models except you actually get the chance to blow people up with them).

I'm sorry to have to say this but, please please please go back to playing WoW!

I have friends in EVE who have only been playing 3 months and they can blast the stuffings out of someone whos been playing since the beggining of the game.

Oh, did you also know that in the bussiness world, a company holding a niche has a better chance of surviving than one trying to appeal everyone?  Give that some thought.  CCP knows the people it caters to, Blizzard Ltd. doesn't. If you take a look at MMOChart EVE is going up, might not be fast, but more people are finding EVE and are enjoying it.

There are many many reasons why I left WoW.  One of them is because of people like you wanting to be better than everyone else.  You have no imagination.  Go find a night elf and do flips or something.

P.S. Farm Newbies?  Most newbies are smart enough to stay in Empire Space (1.0-0.5) and not be ganked.  I found a good corp on day two of playing the game and got my hauling up to help my corp while they helped me.  Sure, I lost a ship to gankers in a .4 system on the way to my destination, but it sure was fun showing the other 6 squads of gankers how much of a carebare I really am and getting away from them before they could even lock me.  I also thank those gankers, I have new tricks to get past em ;)

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Originally posted by Raver

Dear Mr RollinDutch

Were you neglected as a child ?

my analogy (do you know what that means?)  would be the VOLVO dealer wanting to sell you only one model of Vovlo.  Im saying I want to buy Volvo just not the model the dealer is selling.  But this is all too complex for you, your brain is probably straining over the complex words Im speaking. Perhaps I need to talk lEEt speak to get through to you.  If anything your response is so typical of a WOW player you probably play it secretly on the side. 

I was making a suggestion I think could help the whole state of the game and bring more players to it  ... but lEEt fanbois dont know any better.

Heres a link to Wiki so you can learn the meaning of "analogy" and maybe learn how to make some elaborate remarks that dont involve foul language and copy cat (WOW) remarks.  Buy a dictionary , can help you heaps out in the real world.  At least take the time to make a reasoned argument or just go and play eve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

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Originally posted by RollinDutch


The last game-altering server addition I can recall was Trammel. It killed the game that it so deeply changed. Your idiotic idea will do the same here. Whining about fanbois doesnt change the underlying idiocy of your idea.

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Trammel was PvP restricted.  It was a whole different ruleset.

Those who want another server cluster on EVE do not want a new ruleset.  They just want a fresh server with no three year squatters.

2 servers would be bad, the great thing about EVE is the politics and you on't want to have that all slpit up and everone always wondering whats happening on the other server.

Somtimes you guys miss the point of EVE.

And besides why are you so upset about so called being behind? You are not ever realy behind in EVE, it does not work that way.

You just play and do what you can and have fun and progress no matter what, you always have a role or many and always switch roles anyways too.

Even the big guys have to switch up all the time and do all sorts of things, heck they are always looking ahead to do something new just like new player are too.

You want to mean something do you, well eveyone has impact in EVE for one big reason, we ARE on one server. So what you do effects the entire comunity.

You can take over sectors and be a leader and that take your own skills that you don't get from points

you want to be uber and important then help others and corps and most of the time theones comming up the ranks have the best opertunity to make better choices.

Just worry about your self not what someone else is or what you think they are.

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Originally posted by Raver
A new server would be good but i think a new rule-set would even be better:

Make it so there is a server where actual XPing determines how you level.  Each level you then allocate some points to the various skills or save points for bigger skills.  If you fight you gain XP , PVP xp , missions XP , mining XP , research XP etc..

I am so tired of hearing the ... you can still be effective bull. I want to be equal or better not effective.   You can be effective if you ultra specialize.  if you want to be equa/betterl to an existing player then forget it - buy a char off ebay or play something else..  Every new content update is a slew of stuff a newbie wont get near anytime soon.

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equal or better not effective?

Play a single play game if you can not handle someone better then you.

Do you rush to the top levels in MMORPG's and miss all the content? That is lame.

Play to have fun and chill.

When you were born did you wish you were already 60 yrs old and the head CEO of a company and because you wern't it was not fair?

New players start every day in EVE will you push them to your level or let them enjoy the ride?

When you play another game and are level 10 and other are level 20 are you upset untill they hit a brick wall at level 70 or what ever the lest level is?

You can't catch up to other people playing as hard as you in other games untill they hit the last level and start complaining of being borring.

Besides when the other run out of skills to go up on you will then catch up, lol.

Also you do not progress in EVE by not playing and just logging in to keep your skills going up, you have to do a LOT of HARD work and THAT is how you gain your power.

New Server is a bad idea.

Eve is great based on the fact that its not WoW, not a grinding MMO, and not a MMO with lots and lots of servers.

I want to say that Eve is the closet thing to real life and anyone who thinks Eve isnt all that, is failing at life.

Lets take skills. Comapre them to real life books. How big the book is, is how fast you read it, right?? Or how complex the book is, is how long it takes your to learn it as well. And in real life, you are basically only really learning one thing at a time, even though you goto school and have like 10 subjects going on all day, I know 10 is big, but not sure what other countries school systems are like. SUre in real life, we can balance our learning and in 1 year, learn so much, Which in Kali, they are looking at have a balance learning curve. WHere we can learn more then one skill at a time.

Grinding BAD. Grinding just sucks all around. Sure their is grinding in Eve, sort of, buts its not for leveling. Its more fo rlearning how to work ship equipment. Eve system is fantastic, that it allows all walk of life to level at the same rate. Sure the guys/gals that are on 23/7 will know how to work the equipment better, but because Real life can cause you to put Eve on the back seat, your skill leveling isnt effected. I like the no grinding, cause it keeps all the pissy, moaning, whining babies at home and in MMOs that allow them to have no life. PLus it stops all new players from coming in, spending their whole weekend grinding up and then being able to fly a dreadnaught. Get a LIFE kids, Eve alows you to balance real life with Eve life.

In the long run, Eve will out do all other MMOs, why? Cause Eve has been here longer then just about any other MMO out there. Sure Ultima Online has been around for a long while.

And you want to know why WoW is doing so well?? Cause about the time WoW was coming out, alot of MMOs were dieing off. SWG died and everyone I know from SWG went to WoW. RYL never came through with the $1,000,000 tournament, due to hackers, so everyone left them.

And when you want to compare MMOs, bring awards, not subscribers. Awards mean WINNER, subscribers, mean, ????

New players can actually out do people if played right. I got taken out by 2 14-day old caracals. They basically just outsmarted me. My caracal was setup as a jammer, with 4 heavies, 1 med nos, and a T2 medium shield booster. I woul dof had one of them, but he moved into a asteroid belt to stop me from being in range with my warp jammer and web stasis. Plus, I was idiot enough to try and take them both on. Knowing the both had heavies. IF setup properly and have a wingman, you can take out the idiots.

And to end this, just remember, the Men will Lead and the Boys will Follow. If your going to WoW, because everyone else is, then your a boy and I hear everyone is jumping off bridges, too.