Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

 

Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

 

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There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

 

You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

 

I'm sorry was there a point to your post?

Yes the point is you will never catch up to the folks who have been there alot longer and there is no magic bullet to make you revelent to most long term players.

Yes, and...?

You see the thing is, I don't give a shit. I play the game, I enjoy it. I COULD of course instead sit in the Jita station and complain all day how everyone else has more ISK and skillpoints than I do, but I just don't find that FUN.

Do you?

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Don't know how much has changed, but you're not going to run any DED complexes with faction loot in a frig anymore. Not a chance. Not even before the retribution AI changes and even less after that. Sorry.

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Despite I linked you evidence proving otherwise, you are still in denial mode :)

Originally posted by PsyMike3d

I bought it for 5euros on Steam...

I will never forgive myself for not playing this before. All those years of wandering around with crap MMOs while EVE was right there!!! 

The game is amazing, feels like i will be playing it for years, not like some other "promising" MMOs, that are insteresting  for 3months max...     _ _ 2

So guys, if u hesitate to try this game, dont!  I regret for not playing it before!

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[UPDATE]

I get random "Socket Closed" errors and disconects me. I checked the internet, and hundreds of people are having the same problem! Its not my PC problem, not my ISP problem.... too bad, and i was starting to love the game.

At least i spended only 5euros to check it :P

If you need or want a CORP/Guild PM me ;)

 

Also the random socket error thing I hate it its annoying but it seems the EVE Online servers are not located in the U.S they are located outside the U.S, and from tracking their IP address it shows Iceland?

I am on a 50+ Mbit connection I get very good speeds and between their connection route and mine I get around 30% packet loss at times or random packets dropping here and there which can result in EVE closing/logging out clients randomly they need to get in touch with the people hosting their Nodes, or Routes and let them know to fix their cheap servers thats the problem right there so it would seem although these are generally not CCP's responsibility but they do pay their networking bills I am sure.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Don't know how much has changed, but you're not going to run any DED complexes with faction loot in a frig anymore. Not a chance. Not even before the retribution AI changes and even less after that. Sorry.

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Despite I linked you evidence proving otherwise, you are still in denial mode :)

Your evidence was from 2010. Last time I checked there has been at least 4 major EVE updates after that.

In any case, I'm going to hop into my exploring ship tonight and find a DED site and see how it turns out. Will let you know. I've got access to a well-fit Assault Ship so that should be able to survive at least levels 1 through 3.

 

Originally posted by RealPvPisFPS

I tried this game twice and here is what EVE is in a nutshell:

Good graphics, good concept and extremely piss poor user interface and controls.

 

This game could easily be the number one mmo out there if the devs would make a useable interface and revamp the keyboard controls. As it is these two factors killed EVE . If that is overhauled instead of WoW being at the top EVE would be at the top.

Now here's an example of a really poor user interface, on a modern naval cruiser

http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/b4300384-0771-4858-aa37-dfcb8d968617

Makes the EVE interface look pretty good by comparison

Originally posted by Renoaku

If you need or want a CORP/Guild PM me ;)

 

Also the random socket error thing I hate it its annoying but it seems the EVE Online servers are not located in the U.S they are located outside the U.S, and from tracking their IP address it shows Iceland?

I am on a 50+ Mbit connection I get very good speeds and between their connection route and mine I get around 30% packet loss at times or random packets dropping here and there which can result in EVE closing/logging out clients randomly they need to get in touch with the people hosting their Nodes, or Routes and let them know to fix their cheap servers thats the problem right there so it would seem although these are generally not CCP's responsibility but they do pay their networking bills I am sure.

Of course it shows Iceland. That's where their HQ is! (Although, they also have some servers in the UK, and probably in China and/or Japan)

Also, I never get socket closed - unless I've been afking for a retarded amount of time (read: gone to bed, then work), or my own connection drops (wireless or moving from wire to wire). But you're probably right; the greater amount of hops between you and them, the greater chances of someone elsewhere bugging up.

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Your evidence was from 2010. Last time I checked there has been at least 4 major EVE updates after that.

In any case, I'm going to hop into my exploring ship tonight and find a DED site and see how it turns out. Will let you know. I've got access to a well-fit Assault Ship so that should be able to survive at least levels 1 through 3.

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You stated that it was not possible even before AI changes and no other changes since then are related to discussed topic.

Also, it was you bringing up DED complexes, not me :)

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Originally posted by Rocketeer

One dev summed it up somewhat like this once:

We have situations where you are required to rightclick an object in space, go down a context menu, have a submenue pop out and click something there ... During intense pvp combat, under fire, and while coordinating with other players in voicechat.

Prime examples are "Warp to P3M12 at 40" or trying to orbit another player at something besides your preset range. Lots of menues and submenues inside of them, thats EvE. I heard a usability designer once had a stroke after trying out EvE, true story.

 

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Still I do not see what the problem is supposed to be here...

I really tried to get into eve, i played for a good month, but shooting little colored boxes miles away in space just got boring. The combat just felt too static and disconnected. I mean you watch these big PvP fights on Youtube and it just looks like a complete mess off colored boxes moving around in space. It just doesn't feel very tangible during combat. I loved everything else about it though. Wish i could really get into it but i just couldn't. 

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Your evidence was from 2010. Last time I checked there has been at least 4 major EVE updates after that.

 

In any case, I'm going to hop into my exploring ship tonight and find a DED site and see how it turns out. Will let you know. I've got access to a well-fit Assault Ship so that should be able to survive at least levels 1 through 3.

 

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You stated that it was not possible even before AI changes and no other changes since then are related to discussed topic.

Also, it was you bringing up DED complexes, not me :)

 

Your first link is the one that brought the DED complexes up. The loot you posted in your "evidence" was obviously a very lucky DED run or looted from a player you did not kill yourself. Which is why I challenged you to do it again, to discount pure luck.

Also, I tried a lvl 3 DED complex before Retribution in a BC and sure as hell was getting my ass kicked. Might have been my (then) poor fit or just plain not understanding the mechanics. Which is why I said I'll try it again with my Assault Ship (which can run most lvl 3 missions post-retribution without trouble and even some lvl4s).

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Your first link is the one that brought the DED complexes up. The loot you posted in your "evidence" was obviously a very lucky DED run or looted from a player you did not kill yourself. Which is why I challenged you to do it again, to discount pure luck.

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Not really, I recommend you to read the blog carefully and probably read some other exploration/general guide to understand the basics.

DED plexes drop deadspace items. Not really the same as faction loot in my link. 2 different things.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Your first link is the one that brought the DED complexes up. The loot you posted in your "evidence" was obviously a very lucky DED run or looted from a player you did not kill yourself. Which is why I challenged you to do it again, to discount pure luck.

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Not really, I recommend you to read the blog carefully and probably read some other exploration/general guide to understand the basics.

DED plexes drop deadspace items. Not really the same as faction loot in my link. 2 different things.

I do know how the exploration works and have been scanning down a lot of sites. Radar sites bring in pretty nice cash, but finding them in high-sec is pretty much a hit or miss. On average, the same amount of money can be easily done by running lvl 3-4 missions. Admittedly you cannot run those with a week old toon, whereas radar sites you can.

And if the faction loot in your other link did not come from exploration, why did you link me an exploration guide?

Are you admitting you got that loot from a lucky high-sec incident where some idiot got blown up in a multi-billion ship and you happened to be there to scoop the loot?

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

And if the faction loot in your other link did not come from exploration, why did you link me an exploration guide?

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You asked for guides how to make ISK for PLEX on new toon/trial account.

I already explained how the loot was obtained...

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

And if the faction loot in your other link did not come from exploration, why did you link me an exploration guide?

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You asked for guides how to make ISK for PLEX on new toon/trial account.

I already explained how the loot was obtained...

Sorry I had totally forgot your explanation already. Still linking an exploration guide does not help anyone gain 1 billion ISK within 24 hours.

So the only remaining question is - can what you did still be done today or has CCP plugged this by changing the faction NPC spawn mechanics? As I said, there has been 4 major expansions in between.

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Sorry I had totally forgot your explanation already. Still linking an exploration guide does not help anyone gain 1 billion ISK within 24 hours.

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I never claimed that linked exploration guide linked will make you 1B ISK within 24 hours.

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Originally posted by Gdemami

You asked for guides how to make ISK for PLEX on new toon/trial account.

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You seem to get things fairly mixed up.

1B in 24 hours is indeed extreme but it can be done even today since nothing related has changed. The point I was demonstrating is that skill points are no limitation and making ISK for PLEX - and even more than that, is definitely doable for new characters.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

Sorry I had totally forgot your explanation already. Still linking an exploration guide does not help anyone gain 1 billion ISK within 24 hours.

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I never claimed that linked exploration guide linked will make you 1B ISK within 24 hours.

 

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Originally posted by Gdemami

You asked for guides how to make ISK for PLEX on new toon/trial account.

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You seem to get things fairly mixed up.

1B in 24 hours is indeed extreme but it can be done even today since nothing related has changed. The point I was demonstrating is that skill points are no limitation and making ISK for PLEX - and even more than that, is definitely doable for new characters.

Again, luck and "knowledge of exploitable NPC spawns" aside, there is what... exploration of Radar Sites? You know fully well that it's going to be tight to get that 600M for a PLEX with exploring only, unless you play like 4-5 hours a day, every day, scanning down sites. I don't know about you but for me that would get boring _really_ fast.

My point still stands. Don't go for a PLEX in your first month. It'll only make EVE feel like a chore instead of a game.

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

You know fully well that...

 

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All I know is that there will always be people not being able to achieve same things as others do, did in past or even imagine they are possible to do and they will keep denying facts regardless of evidence...

The choice is yours.

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

 

Ok now you got me interested. Praytell how you acquire one billion ISK in 24 hours with a fresh charater without scamming or exploiting?

 

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There are quite a few methods. This particular case was exploiting knowledge of NPC spawning mechanics and faction loot.

So it was an exploit, one that's probably plugged by now. Kudos to you for finding that exploit and reporting it, but it doesn't change the fact that by legitimate means it's not really possible to pay for your sub with PLEX within the first month, unless you dedicate your whole playing time to it.

 

You will help others who have been there longer pay for there game time.

 

I'm sorry was there a point to your post?

Yes the point is you will never catch up to the folks who have been there alot longer and there is no magic bullet to make you revelent to most long term players.

While it is true you will never catch up to the folks who started earlier than you, you fail to grasp that there is no need for you to do so.  I'll agree, there's a point of training you have to achieve to achieve increasing amounts of relevance, but after a year or so you're pretty much in the big leagues in EVE.

I've got about 3.75 years of training and some of my characters are over 70MSP.... sure I don't have as much as the folks over 120M, but it doesn't matter, they have almost no advantage on my anywhere, except in fields I've chosen to ignore like mining and industry.  (the skills of my combat pilots would make any PVPer drool)

The 2nd point is partially true, you do have to put in your time, play and learn the game in order to succeed, there is no magic bullet to relevance. (not even buying a high level character will help in this regard)

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Rocketeer

One dev summed it up somewhat like this once:

 

We have situations where you are required to rightclick an object in space, go down a context menu, have a submenue pop out and click something there ... During intense pvp combat, under fire, and while coordinating with other players in voicechat.

Prime examples are "Warp to P3M12 at 40" or trying to orbit another player at something besides your preset range. Lots of menues and submenues inside of them, thats EvE. I heard a usability designer once had a stroke after trying out EvE, true story.

 

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Still I do not see what the problem is supposed to be here...

Misclicks due to tiny menues? Unreadeable text when using TVs as output? Inability to hotkey important actions since they require mouse input(some even have textfields ffs)?

But in the end nobody cares wether you see a problem, its plenty enough if CCP devs are aware of them and working on them. Reason for the sorry state of the UI is old legacy code by amateurs btw, when they programmed the UI back in 2000-2003 they had no clue what they where doing. There is a devblog on it from the time they redid the UI a couple years back.

 

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Originally posted by Rocketeer

Misclicks due to tiny menues? Unreadeable text when using TVs as output? Inability to hotkey important actions since they require mouse input(some even have textfields ffs)?

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Your bad sight and use of non-standard display device? That's all?

Slider for orbit/keep range could be handy I guess.

Almost seems like you are playing wrong game, no button smashing in EVE, sorry.