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Originally posted by I.Gunslinger

Absolutely, I'll start a brand new character in a very complex( compartively) game I've never played and I won't be at the bottom of the food chain. That makes perfect sense.

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However odd it may sound but yes, it does make perfect sense.

The reason is complex mechanics and non-linearity, bigger and expensive ships aren't necessarily better and older characters not having absurd advantage.

Even as a new player, there is a large array of tools at your disposal and if you make a bit of research and take it easy, there is no need to be worried about "being at the bottom of the food chain".

Ive been playin eve for my 3rd year now and i agree that if you dont have anyone to help you at start, you will probably quit. Game will become boring and you wont be able to do anything. 

My suggestion to any new player out there is to join RvB. They accept everyone. Its a good place to get into the game. They will lead you. Also you will experience lots of PVP there, even if you are 14 days old character. A great place to learn.

Another thing that i would suggest for new players is to choose what you want to do in game as soon as possible and specialize in that. It can be hard but the sooner you can say: I want to be a trader, or i want to PVP, the better. This way you will be spending minimal amount of skill points on stuff you dont really need for what you want to do in game. If you want to catch up with better players in something you need to specialize. I for instance specialized mostly on Frigates(smallest ships in game) and am only now after 2 years transitioning into cruisers. You can transition way earlier but this is how i like to do stuff. The good thing about eve is that ALL the ships in game are useful. There is NO best ship in game. Fly what you enjoy flying.

For those who dont know what RvB is...

These are two hi-sec alliances Red Federation and Blue Republic. They are constantly at war with each other and are perfect place for new players to learn the tactics etc. 

Fly safe. Likuet

Originally posted by likuet

My suggestion to any new player out there is to join RvB. They accept everyone. Its a good place to get into the game. They will lead you. Also you will experience lots of PVP there, even if you are 14 days old character. A great place to learn.

That is a good idea only if you want to learn how to pvp and if you already have a source of income. RvB can be very ISK consuming, and it can be hard for a new player that can't earn enough money.

Originally posted by likuet
A new player doesnt need that much money at start tbh. If you run a few missions you can afford a few t1 frigs to pvp with as far as i remember. 

Occasionally I use a Rifter as a fast tackle in fleets. 

It's fun, and it feels good when you get on a battleship / battlecruiser / command ship kill mail.  I think it feels better than getting on the kill mail as an interceptor or assault frigate, because you're being isk efficient :)

...because it is a Sandbox game.

And a lot of the problems people have with Eve are due to it being a sandbox. There is no path laid out and no natural progression path as there are in a theme park game. This doesn't mean it is better but just different. If it is not your thing then fair enough.

If you have not tried a Sandbox game then perhaps you can give it a try and see. If so, the first thing you need to do is to decide/figure out what you would like to do in the game, of course you can try different things later. Once you know what you want to do then you have to find out how to go about achieving it.

Some say it is hard, I cannot understand why they say this, it is different yes, but not hard to learn. Actually "learn" is the wrong word to use here, "know" is more appropriate. Once you are told, or read something then you know how to do it. There is a lot to know, yes that it true, but that's makes it more interesting.

If you have never played Wow before and only played FPShooters, you may feel WoW is hard to learn as there are so many skills, talents, gems, glyphs etc etc to take into account. Does not make WoW hard just a lot to take on board, same with Eve.

So what makes it good?

Choice, you choose to do what you want to do, and how you want to do it, with some thought you can do things that no one else has done before, you play the game the way you want to in a universe with a set of rules, similar to the way you live life. This gives an incredible sense of empowerment as well as painful consequences.

You gain experience and do things better next time, this comes naturally to us all as humans, and why it is considered an alternate universe as you can more or less immerse yourself into the game and play by the same life rules as you live or otherwise if that is your liking.  This is sometimes manifested physically, as it is not uncommon to hear that players get massive adrenalin rushes when engaging in pvp which is due to the blurring of the lines between reality and the game world.

PS: All, or I should say 99% of all other MMOs are the same thing, with diferent skins, WoW, WAR, Aion, SWTOR, GW2, AoC, Rift TERA, etc so if you want something different in an MMO with the largest pop of any MMO then Eve is it.

Well, I recently started playing EO and while I admit it is a little overwhelming at first, it does get easier with time.  One thing I've noticed about this game is that; while you can play solo (by yourself), it really shines as a group playing game.  Of all the years playing WoW, I never felt like I had to be in a guild to be meaningful or make a differance (come to think of it, you can't make a differance in WoW...the game just isn't setup that way...sorry..ranting...).  The second thing I will say is regarding the whole "EVE is Excel with graphics" comment.  Again, while I agree there are many menus....many, many menus, it's because their is so much to do.  If they where to make an icon for every action that could be done and put them on the screen, you would need five monitors just to play...lol  Anyway, thought I'd give my opion as a newish player.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

...because it is a Sandbox game.

 

And a lot of the problems people have with Eve are due to it being a sandbox. There is no path laid out and no natural progression path as there are in a theme park game. This doesn't mean it is better but just different. If it is not your thing then fair enough.

If you have not tried a Sandbox game then perhaps you can give it a try and see. If so, the first thing you need to do is to decide/figure out what you would like to do in the game, of course you can try different things later. Once you know what you want to do then you have to find out how to go about achieving it.

Some say it is hard, I cannot understand why they say this, it is different yes, but not hard to learn. Actually "learn" is the wrong word to use here, "know" is more appropriate. Once you are told, or read something then you know how to do it. There is a lot to know, yes that it true, but that's makes it more interesting.

If you have never played Wow before and only played FPShooters, you may feel WoW is hard to learn as there are so many skills, talents, gems, glyphs etc etc to take into account. Does not make WoW hard just a lot to take on board, same with Eve.

 

So what makes it good?

Choice, you choose to do what you want to do, and how you want to do it, with some thought you can do things that no one else has done before, you play the game the way you want to in a universe with a set of rules, similar to the way you live life. This gives an incredible sense of empowerment as well as painful consequences.

You gain experience and do things better next time, this comes naturally to us all as humans, and why it is considered an alternate universe as you can more or less immerse yourself into the game and play by the same life rules as you live or otherwise if that is your liking.  This is sometimes manifested physically, as it is not uncommon to hear that players get massive adrenalin rushes when engaging in pvp which is due to the blurring of the lines between reality and the game world.

 

PS: All, or I should say 99% of all other MMOs are the same thing, with diferent skins, WoW, WAR, Aion, SWTOR, GW2, AoC, Rift TERA, etc so if you want something different in an MMO with the largest pop of any MMO then Eve is it.

my previous nessage got hung up in the qoute - was just trying to say that not all gamers like a game where thought is involved, some just like a game where they can relax and not think too much. My Opinion.

Eve is a Great Game... It's sorta like a Rancher rounding up his PvP herd and trying to keep them in one place so they do not wonder into areas the PvE's like to roam.  Hopefully, one day that Rancher can figure out how to take his herd to slaughter and the PvE'ers can live in peace once more.

Ratero.

I love Eve and i don't even know why,  it intrigues me, always something weird and wonderful happening Corp takeovers, Hgh Sec suicide gankings, Market PvP,  it's fun and different and annoying and frustraing  go figure :)

You can do anything in Eve.  You can become the most notorious pirate in the galaxy, you can lead a group of heroic pilots on a mission into pirate territory and make them fear your name.  You can become an industrialist and have the largest super alliances seek you out for your capital ship building skills.  You can make your fortune in trading goods across the galaxy, take contracts from other players to haul goods across systems.  You can create and run a corporation under any premise imaginable, you can have them RP bible-thumping amarr loyalists or use them to dominate the galactic market and make a fortune on minerals.  Hate miners, have your group blow them up.  Have trouble with some griefer corp, hire a few merc corps to hammer them until they beg for mercy.  Dont want to keep paying for the game, use ingame cash and buy PLEX and never pay again.  It takes a bit of time to get to that points but you can get there in under a year.  I have two accounts that pay for themselves and I only play two nights a week.

The biggest attraction in Eve is that you can do what you want, not what some developer decided you should do.

Originally posted by Coldhatez

I've heard alot of talk about eve, that is's a good game etc.

Well i played the trail, i kinda liked it but it has a hard learning curve

I want to purchase the game, but how long does it take me to understand this game (average)

 

Thanks!

Eve in not a good game. Eve is a terrible game that A lot of people, myself included, pay to play because we have fun flying around in internet spaceships blowing up other internet spaceships while CCP runs around destroying the game.

Yes the learning curve is really.....interesting and the game is difficult to figure out during those 2 weeks of trial period. And most of the player base i fly with won't even let you fly with them if your not a few months old and have a firm grasp on what to do. There are groups out there who will teach you how to fly like the eve uni corp. They do a good job of teaching you to play from what im told as i never bothered to use them. just flew around and got killed.

And if you purchase this game in the vain hope to understand it you will be wasting your money. No one ever truely understands eve online. There is so much going on between the factions of eve and the devs that all you are trying to do is make isk, kill ships, and not get killed in return. There is to much between the politics of eve that you will get lost if you try to understand everything that goes on between the 0.0 empires. The lowsec pirates only want to kill you steal your stuff and take your isk while the pad their killboards, and the empire carebears just want to be able to fly around in their expensive ships and make easy isk without the griefers stealing their pie.

If you want to play eve online and have a friend playing it. go watch them play it. or get another trial and see if they will help you understand it. otherwise throw the dice and pay for the game and join a learning corp and see how you like it after a few months of play.

Originally posted by Rhonen

Eve is a Great Game...

 

 

In the Kipling sense

You are not grinding levels, you are grinding for money (isk), so the forums will be full of "Best Isk/hr activities?" posts, but when you get down to it, your best isk/hr is to work your crappy minimum wage job in real life for an extra two hours and buy and sell PLEX. Grinding isk in game to the point where it really rolls in will suck your soul dry leaving only a burnt-out husk. You may be tempted to think, "Ok, mining is boring. I'll mission and live off the loot and salvage!" Think again, Missioning IS mining except that instead of locking and firing at a rock, you lock and fire at a ship and is only challenging in the sense of doing graduate-level study of proper ship and fitting for the job.

I'll give them this--you would be hard-pressed to find a more immersive MMORPG. But that is the problem. Most games in an epic, immersive universe skip the drudgery or at least try to make the drudgery seem less. EVE doesn't skip it at all.

Originally posted by I.Gunslinger

Originally posted by Malcanis

 

A second account is nice to have, but you can easily substitute having decent social skills. If you're prepared to work with others and put in some effort yourself, then a 2nd account is by no means mandatory.

A friend of mine started EVE around the same time as I did, and he's never had a second account; he was one of the team that won the last alliance tournament, a member of one of the top PvP alliances, and a really nice guy. It's perfectly possible to do what he did and engage in top level PvP with a single account. It's easier with a second account is all.

From what I've been told online (I take everything with a grain of salt of course, but when you hear the same thing over and over again it's hard not to assume it has more than a little truth) it can make all the difference. As for being social, EVE is a game that I could play maybe a couple nights a week for a few hours a piece. Not that I wouldn't play every day if I could, but job/gym/errands/etc tend to take up most of my time. 

Is a few days a week for a few hours at a time enough to get in with a corp that would be willing to show me the ropes as a solo account?

 I log in for 15 min to an hour each day.  I check my production runs, market orders, and research.  I can hop into a fleet and go do pvp if I choose, and my corp will give me the ship to fly or I can just fit one of the dozens upon dozens of ships I have sitting in my hanger.  I haven't even left my quarters in months.  Actually in the many years I've played EVE my only experience with PvP has been one suicide gank, and a couple of gate camps that were my fault to begin with; I live in the deepest parts of null space.

I play with a single account, although I have a second that I  haven't actived in a few years.  The only reason for that second account is because you can't train skills on multiple characters on a single account.  So if you want to train a guy to fly combat, and who specializes in electronic warfare, as well as be able to manufacture a variety of products, it's faster to have two accounts and train two characters at the same tie then it is to train multiple paths on a single character,  This is why people have multiple accounts; not becuase you have to, but because some people want to do a veriety of things without having to wait as long.  That doesn't mean you can't be a jack-of-all trades, you absolutely can, but it will take you a long time to master one. 

My corp will recruit a week old player, and that very day have you in a ship and fitted, flying in a fleet doing PvP.  People that will tell you that you need to play for 6 months to a year in order to pvp are lying or think that you need to be able to fly T2 battlecruisers or supercaps in order to be viable.  If you want to fly a large ship, using adavanced fittings, alone, you'll need to invest that amount of time.  Even a week old player can fly a frigate with basic fittings, and they're just as much in demand as someone that can fly T2 ships with advanced fittings.

Many of the top ranking members of my corp only log in a few days a week for just a little bit of time to run ops or just do whatever.  EVE is not the kind of game that requires you to play for hours on end, ever day, in order to do anything.  The only reason you need to log in that much, is because you choose to.

EVE is the perfect game to play for anyone that doesn't want to sign their life away in order to advance.  You aren't required to log in on specific nights and spend a few hours raiding in order to keep up with the rest of your guild in the never ending grind for gear progression. 

Obviously there are some corps that are much more strict then others, and will require players to have a minimum of skill points and to play at specific times, but they're the exception to the rule.  Coincidentally, they also don't generally hold the most power in the EVE universe; to me that says a lot.  Elitists aren't winning the internet spaceship game; contrary to what some people here would have you think.

I'm a manufacturer.  I produce ships, fittings, and modules that my corp uses.  I'm not required to log in at any specific times unless I want to fly a scheduled Op.  I don't have to be able to fly any specific ships, unless I choose to fullfil a role of some scheduled Op.  I don't have to train any specific skills unless I choose to fullful some role within my corp.  I do what I want, when I want, and how I want, with no requirements but my own desire for fun, and there was no requires amount of play time for me to fullfil at any point for me to do this.

I am a member of the largest corporation and alliance in the EVE universe.  Like I said, I live in null space (a -8 system to be exact) and I probably experience less ganking and PvP then some people will in high sec.

Yes, indeed, you are absolutely able to join a corp that will show you the ropes, while only investing a few hours a week spread out over just a few days.

Personally, I don't think "learning how to play EVE" is the hard part.  It's learning what it is that you want from EVE that's the hardest part to learn.  It's the only information that isn't readilly available to you.  Everything else can be got from a youtube tutorial or by joining a corp that will teach you everything about EVE.  Figuring out what you want out of EVE, on the other hand, could take someone months or a year.    

Originally posted by Talonsin

You can do anything in Eve.  You can become the most notorious pirate in the galaxy, you can lead a group of heroic pilots on a mission into pirate territory and make them fear your name.  You can become an industrialist and have the largest super alliances seek you out for your capital ship building skills.  You can make your fortune in trading goods across the galaxy, take contracts from other players to haul goods across systems.  You can create and run a corporation under any premise imaginable, you can have them RP bible-thumping amarr loyalists or use them to dominate the galactic market and make a fortune on minerals.  Hate miners, have your group blow them up.  Have trouble with some griefer corp, hire a few merc corps to hammer them until they beg for mercy.  Dont want to keep paying for the game, use ingame cash and buy PLEX and never pay again.  It takes a bit of time to get to that points but you can get there in under a year.  I have two accounts that pay for themselves and I only play two nights a week.

 

The biggest attraction in Eve is that you can do what you want, not what some developer decided you should do.

This is actually not realistic EvE. 

Becoming the most notorious pirate, nah you can't really.  Solo / Small Gang is dead. You can become one of a multitude of faceless gankers, if your lucky your name will appear on the killmail list before it gets cut off due to too many names.

The largest super alliances will never seek you out for your capital building skills since the only way to build capitals is by first joining the largest super aliances.  The only time they will seek you out for your capital building skills will be to destroy your crap if you're stupid enough to manage to put down a POS and a capital array somewhere to try to produce a capital.

The only contracts available are usually scams and traps...  I could go on and on but seriously you shouldn't mislead people by posting nonsense like the above, the truth is more useful and will save the guy some time and money.

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Originally posted by Ikonoclastia

This is actually not realistic EvE. 

Becoming the most notorious pirate, nah you can't really.  Solo / Small Gang is dead. You can become one of a multitude of faceless gankers, if your lucky your name will appear on the killmail list before it gets cut off due to too many names.

The largest super alliances will never seek you out for your capital building skills since the only way to build capitals is by first joining the largest super aliances.  The only time they will seek you out for your capital building skills will be to destroy your crap if you're stupid enough to manage to put down a POS and a capital array somewhere to try to produce a capital.

The only contracts available are usually scams and traps...  I could go on and on but seriously you shouldn't mislead people by posting nonsense like the above, the truth is more useful and will save the guy some time and money.

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Just because you are not capable any of these yourself, does not mean it is not realistic or impossible...