If it's so simple to pull off, why have more games not attempted it?  Darkfall did, and struggled with lag to no end.  CCP puts a LOT of effort into developing their servers and making their game run faster and more efficiently.  That's what the monthly fee is for.  Because it's not as simple as some of you seem to think.  

This thread is a perfect example of how clueless the OP actually is, when he talks about Eve Online. 

Originally posted by Romik

I have tried the trial of this game a few times and it actually got to a point where I bought this game and played it a couple of months. The game is awesome but each time I played it I felt I was ripped off. Why?

First, with the timed skill system you can "incubate" your character for a year or so and then come back fully skilled, which is essentially the same as buying all skills with a one year shipping and handling fee. Shouldn't you be enjoying development of your character through an in game progression curve and not through a timed sequence somewhere on the side?

Second, the monthly fee is a rip off staring me right in the face. I guess they tried to hide the fact with those neat expansions. I don't know the exact statistics but I'm pretty sure that in bandwidth this game compares to tile based mmos like runescape. Except, runescape is only 6$ a month, no initial cost and enjoyed a countless number of expansions so far. 8$/month is the max I would give EVE in light of the fact that there is more graphic art involved.

I feel this game could be so much more thanks to its sandbox architecture which demands more player input. But for now fee-sensitive gamers like me will just stay away.

hey there champ.

Just wanted to say ty for taking the time to write this up.  Was having an awkward day and this post allowed me a good laugh.  :)  But seriously.. a couple things to note.

1.  Probably not a good idea to title your post with a blanket statement.  maybe put (IMO) or (opinion) or something to that nature before or after.  You see, there are many folks out there that would respect your opinion and be willing to "discuss" said opinion if presented in such a manner.   Instead, all your title does with EvE players, within an EvE dedicated forum, is create conflict.  Which if intended, has somewhat been successful.

2.  I am having a hard time wrapping my head around what exactly the msg is your trying to convey.  All I undestand thus far is that you played for a couple months (that alone speaks volumes), that you don't appreciate the skill train system, (which is unique to EvE and to many EvE players, including myself, a strong point), and some gibberish about "bandwidth", that , honestly my friend, makes little to no sense when compared to completely different platforms.. ie.  what you used as examples, Runescape (lol) and WoW (played off and on since closed b) .  Maybe find a decent comparison as a foundation for this argument please.  For a single sharded core, I would argue your "bandwidth" statement had it merit.  But it does not.

3. Lets talk about greed shall we?  Key word "relative".  The first question that comes to mind for me is, how many other premium mmo's allow for thier players to puchase sub time with ingame rewards, dedication, or intelligent research.  Now all three are important here, because typically the first ignorant response is.  "sure, i can plex my sub if I spend 12 hours a day grinding isk"..  ugh.  soo typical.  Yup, you can grind L4 missions for your isk.  You can also, through time, dedicate your efforts through play, corp, market or scam to pay for that PLEX,  You could also, research the best way to train the skills necessary to have your isk make more isk by playing the market, R&D mechanics, Ship collecting (not as much anymore), being a runner, offering your services as a merc for hire or dare I say using online tools to find the best place to employ manufacturing.  The point here is.. CCP has implemented a way for the player to use ingame virtual currency to surplant real world subscription fees.  This is hardly a "greedy" act.  Now whether the player has the motivation, resources, time or commitment to take upon themselves to excersise this option... well.. keyword.  relative.  Personally, I find EvE's "value" is not in what I pay each month (close to six years now) but the piece of mind knowing that I don't have to.

AND with that.. lets go back to skills.

4.  EvE is THE definition of "casual play".   Why?  Because I don't have to play the game to advance my core abilities.. but, (wait for it) I have to play the game to advance in it (by cultivating personal experience).  Eve is not about your shiny skills budds.  Its about community.  Its about risk vs reward, its about accountability for your actions (something that is sorely missing in most all mmo's today)  It's about the time you take to work with your corp, study NPC AI, ship builds, market flux, scanning local, staying safe in null or finding your prey in null.. its about PLAYING the game that makes you accomplished,   Training skills only allow you a medium by which to do all those things.  Unlike your examples where you have to focus on playing the game to advance your skills.. in EvE, you have to focus on just.. playing the game.  Another point worth mentioning is that I pay 15$ a month to know that I can put a month train on a skill and take a trip to Europe with my friends.  I can que a few skills and focus on my family, business, ducati bike rides, horses, fishing, kite flying.. or whatever the hell I want,, and not be obligated to grind levels for that next subset of skills that I have to pay for with xp.  Sounds like a win for me.  Piece of mind this "casual"  PS.. I don't think I've actually paid for my sub for the better part of 2 years now.. maybe once in awhile.. :)  Now, I could see your argument if CCP (ad in cash shop) made you pay for each individual skill?  Or maybe had a fleet of cash shop ships?  Use your imagination on this one.

5. "but for now, fee-sensitive players like me will just stay away"  Good!  :)  No offense friend, but that statement could read as.. "but for now, lazy, unwilling to research, want everything handed to me on a silver drake, fee-snsitive .. ect ect"  And keep in mind that is just a lil jab joke.. nothing personal.  The bottom line here is that EvE is kinda like the ol days of mmo's.  Dedication is paramount, you have to "earn" your place in space.  Cultivate your name, reputation and respect.  There is no "elite"  there is only I salvage your ship or you salvage mine.. and redemption.  The relationships you make in EvE can form or create recognizable history within EvE itself, MOo, BoB ... as examples.  Trust is valuable commodity and breaking of trust can have consequences.  Nothing about ANY mmo out today (side for a couple old timers still around) allows for this type of immersion.  You can thank CCP for that. 

I would hardly call that.. "greedy"

cheers!

good luck with your next mmo, and ty for playing EvE online.

D 

yeah yeah...

China called.. they want thier wall back.

cheers

d

All I did was state my opinion and all I got was a ******* pecking party. Thank you everyone for not sharing my point of view.

It's not our fault your opinions were claimed as fact.  And uninformed at that.

Originally posted by Sheista

Originally posted by MMOman101

You guys do realize that you are not talking about one pysical server, right.  These are server clusters that work together.  It is not like CCP has one freaking server to WoWs 100 or how ever many realms they have. 

The fact is that EVE players are very protective of their game.  To compare EVE to about any other MMO is just silly.  It takes a lot less to process.  EvE has chunks and Zones just like everyone else.  It is easier to make it seem seemless because the backdrop does not change nearly as much as other games. 

This idea that EVE is some sort of techincal marvel is a joke.  They have a very nice game that many people enjoy.  They have not done anything special outside of that. 

Yes.  I referred to this the entire time.  The fact that you don't think their technology is a marvel, is baffling.  That and the rest of your post is bordering on nonsensical and trolling.  I can understand if you've never actually read up on their servers and what makes them tick, but once you have, it's easy to see there is a reason CCP quickly jumped into the forefront of game makers, and is able to be classed with the giants of the genre.  

OK.  Ok.  LOL. 
 

You win, you read what CCP states about how great they are it is obviously true.  Have a great day.

I played eve for over 2 years and i didn't pay a single EURO for it. CCP isn't greedy  - you are just not beeing smart enough to play it for free -  :IO

Originally posted by Romik

All I did was state my opinion and all I got was a ******* pecking party. Thank you everyone for not sharing my point of view.

You are very welcome.

Originally posted by MMOman101

Originally posted by Sheista

Originally posted by MMOman101

You guys do realize that you are not talking about one pysical server, right.  These are server clusters that work together.  It is not like CCP has one freaking server to WoWs 100 or how ever many realms they have. 

The fact is that EVE players are very protective of their game.  To compare EVE to about any other MMO is just silly.  It takes a lot less to process.  EvE has chunks and Zones just like everyone else.  It is easier to make it seem seemless because the backdrop does not change nearly as much as other games. 

This idea that EVE is some sort of techincal marvel is a joke.  They have a very nice game that many people enjoy.  They have not done anything special outside of that. 

Yes.  I referred to this the entire time.  The fact that you don't think their technology is a marvel, is baffling.  That and the rest of your post is bordering on nonsensical and trolling.  I can understand if you've never actually read up on their servers and what makes them tick, but once you have, it's easy to see there is a reason CCP quickly jumped into the forefront of game makers, and is able to be classed with the giants of the genre.  

OK.  Ok.  LOL. 
 

You win, you read what CCP states about how great they are it is obviously true.  Have a great day.

The facts are, many of the AAA companies products are not regarded with having much quality by a lot of people.  It's my opinion, but it's also the opinion of a lot of people.  You can read it every single day on this and other forums.  Regardless of if you like EVE's gameplay or not, CCP provides its customers with a very informative and personal experience.  Player response is a huge part of their development, yet they still have a vision of their game that they want to stay true to.  Many players enjoy the game, and as I said before, it is the ONLY MMO to have consistently gained subscribers since its release.  EVE's design choices are not greedy.  They cater to a certain audience, and they provide the players with a lot of content that most companies would charge for.  That's not embelishment.  That's fact.

The fact that they have a major IP MMO on the way (World of Darkness), and four studios around the world, shows ambition to compete with the next generation.  EVE alone will most likely thrive for the next 5 years or more still.

Originally posted by Doven

Originally posted by Romik

I have tried the trial of this game a few times and it actually got to a point where I bought this game and played it a couple of months. The game is awesome but each time I played it I felt I was ripped off. Why?

First, with the timed skill system you can "incubate" your character for a year or so and then come back fully skilled, which is essentially the same as buying all skills with a one year shipping and handling fee. Shouldn't you be enjoying development of your character through an in game progression curve and not through a timed sequence somewhere on the side?

Second, the monthly fee is a rip off staring me right in the face. I guess they tried to hide the fact with those neat expansions. I don't know the exact statistics but I'm pretty sure that in bandwidth this game compares to tile based mmos like runescape. Except, runescape is only 6$ a month, no initial cost and enjoyed a countless number of expansions so far. 8$/month is the max I would give EVE in light of the fact that there is more graphic art involved.

I feel this game could be so much more thanks to its sandbox architecture which demands more player input. But for now fee-sensitive gamers like me will just stay away.

 

hey there champ.

 

Just wanted to say ty for taking the time to write this up.  Was having an awkward day and this post allowed me a good laugh.  :)  But seriously.. a couple things to note.

1.  Probably not a good idea to title your post with a blanket statement.  maybe put (IMO) or (opinion) or something to that nature before or after.  You see, there are many folks out there that would respect your opinion and be willing to "discuss" said opinion if presented in such a manner.   Instead, all your title does with EvE players, within an EvE dedicated forum, is create conflict.  Which if intended, has somewhat been successful.

2.  I am having a hard time wrapping my head around what exactly the msg is your trying to convey.  All I undestand thus far is that you played for a couple months (that alone speaks volumes), that you don't appreciate the skill train system, (which is unique to EvE and to many EvE players, including myself, a strong point), and some gibberish about "bandwidth", that , honestly my friend, makes little to no sense when compared to completely different platforms.. ie.  what you used as examples, Runescape (lol) and WoW (played off and on since closed b) .  Maybe find a decent comparison as a foundation for this argument please.  For a single sharded core, I would argue your "bandwidth" statement had it merit.  But it does not.

3. Lets talk about greed shall we?  Key word "relative".  The first question that comes to mind for me is, how many other premium mmo's allow for thier players to puchase sub time with ingame rewards, dedication, or intelligent research.  Now all three are important here, because typically the first ignorant response is.  "sure, i can plex my sub if I spend 12 hours a day grinding isk"..  ugh.  soo typical.  Yup, you can grind L4 missions for your isk.  You can also, through time, dedicate your efforts through play, corp, market or scam to pay for that PLEX,  You could also, research the best way to train the skills necessary to have your isk make more isk by playing the market, R&D mechanics, Ship collecting (not as much anymore), being a runner, offering your services as a merc for hire or dare I say using online tools to find the best place to employ manufacturing.  The point here is.. CCP has implemented a way for the player to use ingame virtual currency to surplant real world subscription fees.  This is hardly a "greedy" act.  Now whether the player has the motivation, resources, time or commitment to take upon themselves to excersise this option... well.. keyword.  relative.  Personally, I find EvE's "value" is not in what I pay each month (close to six years now) but the piece of mind knowing that I don't have to.

AND with that.. lets go back to skills.

4.  EvE is THE definition of "casual play".   Why?  Because I don't have to play the game to advance my core abilities.. but, (wait for it) I have to play the game to advance in it (by cultivating personal experience).  Eve is not about your shiny skills budds.  Its about community.  Its about risk vs reward, its about accountability for your actions (something that is sorely missing in most all mmo's today)  It's about the time you take to work with your corp, study NPC AI, ship builds, market flux, scanning local, staying safe in null or finding your prey in null.. its about PLAYING the game that makes you accomplished,   Training skills only allow you a medium by which to do all those things.  Unlike your examples where you have to focus on playing the game to advance your skills.. in EvE, you have to focus on just.. playing the game.  Another point worth mentioning is that I pay 15$ a month to know that I can put a month train on a skill and take a trip to Europe with my friends.  I can que a few skills and focus on my family, business, ducati bike rides, horses, fishing, kite flying.. or whatever the hell I want,, and not be obligated to grind levels for that next subset of skills that I have to pay for with xp.  Sounds like a win for me.  Piece of mind this "casual"  PS.. I don't think I've actually paid for my sub for the better part of 2 years now.. maybe once in awhile.. :)  Now, I could see your argument if CCP (ad in cash shop) made you pay for each individual skill?  Or maybe had a fleet of cash shop ships?  Use your imagination on this one.

5. "but for now, fee-sensitive players like me will just stay away"  Good!  :)  No offense friend, but that statement could read as.. "but for now, lazy, unwilling to research, want everything handed to me on a silver drake, fee-snsitive .. ect ect"  And keep in mind that is just a lil jab joke.. nothing personal.  The bottom line here is that EvE is kinda like the ol days of mmo's.  Dedication is paramount, you have to "earn" your place in space.  Cultivate your name, reputation and respect.  There is no "elite"  there is only I salvage your ship or you salvage mine.. and redemption.  The relationships you make in EvE can form or create recognizable history within EvE itself, MOo, BoB ... as examples.  Trust is valuable commodity and breaking of trust can have consequences.  Nothing about ANY mmo out today (side for a couple old timers still around) allows for this type of immersion.  You can thank CCP for that. 

I would hardly call that.. "greedy"

cheers!

good luck with your next mmo, and ty for playing EvE online.

D 

 Yeah

Every businessi s greedy, no biggie.