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  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2648

3/03/13 1:29:52 PM#21

I am not big on space games, so never really played it.  I also did not like the idea of people having a higher point cap or something along those lines for being vets...Nothing big, but I would like to be on a even footing, if I put the time in to do so, but you cannot age your account, no matter how much you play.  People have debated if this mattered, but it turned me off a little.

 

Congrats though, good to see them chugging along and growing.

 

It doesn't matter if the average person has 1.5 to 2 accounts, because if you think that, then it also means it is impressive to grow, considering that every person that leaves, they have to also get new customers, and either have more single account customers to replace the multi-account person that left, or make the new person like it enough to get multi-accounts.....Either way it is working for them.

 

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12239

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

3/03/13 1:55:49 PM#22
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  User Deleted
3/03/13 11:46:48 PM#23
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

 

lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same.

Can you prove that they dont?

  BizkitNL

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Joined: 12/29/02
Posts: 2293

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3/03/13 11:57:58 PM#24
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

 

lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same.

Can you prove that they dont?

Well, yours truly has been running 1 account for several years now, so the number is already wrong :P.

That said, I've met people running 10 paid accounts, so it could be even less unique people.

(Does it really matter? I think not.)

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  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4641

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

3/04/13 12:04:15 AM#25

point is...

 

"the playerbase was different back then"

"those days are gone"

"it's nostalgia talking"

 

it's all bullshit. a 10 years old niche game is growing like clockwork. The excuses these forums make are great at hiding the fact that newer mmos suck but cant xplain why eve's playerbase is growing instead of shrinking.

 

it doesnt matter if its 500k, 250k, 20 or 2m. it's growing. 10 years after release. while the industry as a whole is not growing.

 

this says a lot about the power of not giving in to the new fads. f2p, social platforms, cross-platforms, handheld stuff...has it worked yet ?

  dave6660

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Joined: 9/26/08
Posts: 2344

"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

3/04/13 12:19:01 AM#26
Reading people desperately trying to downplay or discredit the success of Eve puts a big kool aid smile on my face.  Keep up the bad work!

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  Spiider

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Joined: 2/15/05
Posts: 430

3/04/13 12:28:32 AM#27

Real nerds have up to 7 or even 8 accounts in EVE. I know, since I did when I played it. 2 were financed by credit card, rest by money created by those two I paid for. And it's not uncommon that nerds like myself are often around.

But in the end the number of people playing it does not matter much since every account is money in the bank for ccp. They created a beautiful universe which they tried to destroy with their multiple bad decisions over the years (not intentionally, it's just lack of maturity on ther side) but now they seem to be getting it right (all over again like in the first years).

I would say real number of active people is around 200k, which is more then enough to have extremly stable universe. Do not forget EVE is one universe and not 5k per server like with other games. A mmo can lif off with 5k per server already and EVE has a population of a town.

Good luck CCP.

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  Malcanis

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Posts: 3206

"A very special kind of stupidity"

 
OP  3/04/13 4:28:12 AM#28
Originally posted by dave6660
Reading people desperately trying to downplay or discredit the success of Eve puts a big kool aid smile on my face.  Keep up the bad work!

it is amusing watching them try to reconcile the facts with theem knowing that everything about EVE is wrong. The best ones are when they simply accuse CCP of outright lying.

BTW the best examples are actually in the DUST 514 forum here. There are some dudes in there who are desperate for Dust to fail.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5246

3/04/13 4:38:03 AM#29
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

 

lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same.

Can you prove that they dont?

Well, yours truly has been running 1 account for several years now, so the number is already wrong :P.

That said, I've met people running 10 paid accounts, so it could be even less unique people.

(Does it really matter? I think not.)

i was in a small mining corp, there was about 8 players with a single account, and 1 guy with like 5.. so.. it probably averages out at 2 per...

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1611

3/04/13 4:39:21 AM#30


Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Isturi

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by TheScavenger Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm. So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.
Source? I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?  
lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same. Can you prove that they dont?
Well, yours truly has been running 1 account for several years now, so the number is already wrong :P.

That said, I've met people running 10 paid accounts, so it could be even less unique people.

(Does it really matter? I think not.)



every decent 0.0 capital pilot/spy/industrialist runs >3 accounts, simple.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5246

3/04/13 4:45:05 AM#31
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by dave6660
Reading people desperately trying to downplay or discredit the success of Eve puts a big kool aid smile on my face.  Keep up the bad work!

it is amusing watching them try to reconcile the facts with theem knowing that everything about EVE is wrong. The best ones are when they simply accuse CCP of outright lying.

BTW the best examples are actually in the DUST 514 forum here. There are some dudes in there who are desperate for Dust to fail.

Thought it already had failed really, mostly the problems people had with dust is that it was on the ps3, that in itself made the game a bit rubbish, and with other better MMOFPS games around now on the PC, its unlikely to ever be released on the PC anyway, i think attention now is on World of Darkness with Dust being pretty much history now.

  User Deleted
3/04/13 4:47:56 AM#32
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by BizkitNL
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

 

lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same.

Can you prove that they dont?

Well, yours truly has been running 1 account for several years now, so the number is already wrong :P.

That said, I've met people running 10 paid accounts, so it could be even less unique people.

(Does it really matter? I think not.)

i was in a small mining corp, there was about 8 players with a single account, and 1 guy with like 5.. so.. it probably averages out at 2 per...

Well just like someone stated above I have only 1 account and better yet only 1 character :P I am not the norm I know but most have between 2-3 accounts and the 1 offs like me aren't that rare either so even factoring in the extreme cases (5-6 accounts, though having more than 3 is really counterproductive since CCP are violently against bots/macros) the game population should be around 250k-300k active players which makes sense because as an old veteran of EVE I can tell you in 2007 you'd get a peak of around 30k users online and ~20k around non-peak times, nowadayys it seems that non-peak has doubled and the peak is around ~47k ish on a single server. To put that in perspective there are no systems anywhere in EVE-Online that does not see activity at least once a day, the only exceptions being C6 wormholes and maybe some C5s, compare that to WoW where you have entire zones on medium pop server which are dead as a doornob and you get the idea.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12239

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

3/04/13 5:45:59 AM#33
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts, most people I see tend to have 3...but not sure if that is the norm.

So it is more like around 250k, which isn't actually very much at all.

Source?

I mean, since you repeatedly state that as fact, you've got a source you can share, right, Scav?

lmao come on now there is no way you can denie that players do shadowbox or in anouther words run two accounts at the same time. Other MMO's allow it like hmm lets say WoW they love to let players run 2 or more accounts at one time. So I can very easy believe that EVE players will do the same.

Can you prove that they dont?

From almost every reply of yours on this forum I get the feeling English is a second language for you as there's the words on the screen and then there's your interpretation of them. No one has ever questioned that there are some players with more than one account in MMOs. EVER. 

Scav stated that "almost everyone who plays EVE has 2+ accounts."  I'm interested in what he is basing that on. If it's anecdotal, fine, but then that also means his conclusion about the actual number of players is an uneducated guess, as well.

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12239

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, Project Gorgon, and Combat Arms

3/04/13 5:52:41 AM#34
Originally posted by Dihoru   To put that in perspective there are no systems anywhere in EVE-Online that does not see activity at least once a day, the only exceptions being C6 wormholes and maybe some C5s, compare that to WoW where you have entire zones on medium pop server which are dead as a doornob and you get the idea.

When Eyjo relayed a while ago that the least traveled system still has 400 pilots passing through it a day, I found that an incredible statistic considering the number of systems and how remote some of them are.

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  User Deleted
3/04/13 6:08:40 AM#35
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Dihoru   To put that in perspective there are no systems anywhere in EVE-Online that does not see activity at least once a day, the only exceptions being C6 wormholes and maybe some C5s, compare that to WoW where you have entire zones on medium pop server which are dead as a doornob and you get the idea.

When Eyjo relayed a while ago that the least traveled system still has 400 pilots passing through it a day, I found that an incredible statistic considering the number of systems and how remote some of them are.

 

That's because in high-sec you have 3/10 and 4/10 plex exploration to do which can reward you 200-300 mil isk with a lucky drop in 30 min of work and explorers go for less travelled areas for higher chances to get something, in low sec again there's exploration which in this case refers to radars and magneometric sites because they can be worth 30-40 mil a pop for next to no danger or effort, in 0.0 you have ratting in NPC 0.0 (for officer and faction spawns), pvp, mining, high level exploration and in conquerable 0.0 it's pretty much the same but without the chance of officer spawns (that big anyway) and as for wormhole space as long as it is relatively accessible you'll have people running around trying to kill each other and get sleeper loot.

  Worrynot

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Joined: 11/11/12
Posts: 15

3/04/13 1:35:26 PM#36
Originally posted by Mdpats
A few of those are probably trial accounts which will cancel soon afterwards from trying the game.  Which means the number is false.

Read the OP again. Reading comprehension is hard.

  Krematory

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Joined: 12/15/08
Posts: 520

MMOHOLIC

3/04/13 1:40:49 PM#37
Playing since 2009 and running no more than one account. That said, it doesn't really matter how many players a game has if the population is large enough, which is the case in EVE.

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4641

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

3/04/13 2:18:42 PM#38
Originally posted by Krematory
Playing since 2009 and running no more than one account. That said, it doesn't really matter how many players a game has if the population is large enough, which is the case in EVE.

2009 here as well.

  Malcanis

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Posts: 3206

"A very special kind of stupidity"

 
OP  3/05/13 3:59:20 AM#39
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by dave6660
Reading people desperately trying to downplay or discredit the success of Eve puts a big kool aid smile on my face.  Keep up the bad work!

it is amusing watching them try to reconcile the facts with theem knowing that everything about EVE is wrong. The best ones are when they simply accuse CCP of outright lying.

BTW the best examples are actually in the DUST 514 forum here. There are some dudes in there who are desperate for Dust to fail.

Thought it already had failed really, mostly the problems people had with dust is that it was on the ps3, that in itself made the game a bit rubbish, and with other better MMOFPS games around now on the PC, its unlikely to ever be released on the PC anyway, i think attention now is on World of Darkness with Dust being pretty much history now.

A classic example of this.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

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