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EVE Online Forum » Jita (General) » This is what EVE should have been like

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  Malcanis

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"A very special kind of stupidity"

12/05/12 8:22:44 AM#21

I like to say "No one goes to a steakhouse because they have a good salad bar".

In a world where there were only 2 or 3 MMOs, I could see an argument for trying to make them all things to all men. In a world where there are hundreds, an MMO needs to be the best at what it it tries to be in order to stand out from the crowd. What good is it being "OK" in serving several different playstyles when you're competing against specialists in each of those styles?

(This is what Elsabolts will never understand and why every year he's surprised and disappointed that it's going to be next year that CCP launch a PvE EVE server.)

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Lobotomist

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Posts: 4759

I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

 
OP  12/06/12 1:50:44 AM#22

How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

 

The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

 

[mod edit]

  dave6660

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"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

12/06/12 11:56:53 AM#23
Originally posted by Lobotomist

How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

 

The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

 

[mod edit]


Eve fans like the game the way it is.  Get over it.  People didn't like your suggestion so now you've resorted to thinly veiled insults and hyperbole.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  kadepsyson

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12/06/12 12:03:55 PM#24
Originally posted by Lobotomist

How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

 

The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

 

[mod edit]

Kinda like how Walking around a tiny room with a character, and the ability to buy clothing for your character for real money would only add to the game?

I heard the actual playerbase liked that feature set quite a bit...

El Psy Congroo

  Kiljaedenas

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12/06/12 12:07:45 PM#25
Originally posted by Lobotomist

How many people play EVE right now ? 500 thousand ?

If it would double to 1 million. How would that hurt the game ?

 

The changes proposed would not change the game at all. They would only add to it.

Nothing would be changed at all for anyone , except new playstyle opportunities.

 

[mod edit]

[mod edit]

Second off, they HAVE upgraded the AI controlled part of Eve. If you had paid attention to the Retribution patch notes (if you play), the more adaptive Sleeper AI was installed on all mission and belt rats, and the effect of EWAR from NPCs was boosted/repaired to affect players more. So theoretically the challenge should be increased (and god damn will it be increased if L4's start remote repping each other, have yet to test that myself).

From the sounds of it you want more of a hand-held epic quest through the galaxy giving you lots of cool stories and such. Guess what? Eve has such epic quests through the galaxy. The key point is, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THEM YOURSELF. Make your own stories, create your own adventures, decide your own missions. Eve has the tools you need to do that, so USE THEM.

Where's the any key?

  Yakamomoto

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Joined: 9/24/12
Posts: 385

12/18/12 3:42:39 PM#26

time for EvE to bring in some avatar based gameplay, walking in stations,...

Otherwise SC and Elite will drain a good part of the playerbase

  aRtFuLThinG

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Posts: 1000

12/18/12 5:42:48 PM#27
Originally posted by tom_gore
Originally posted by bubaluba
EVE should be like this game? You ever tried to play eve?  It looks to me more like Space SimCity. I'm not crazy to give my money to some unknown men for his words and few pictures in background

You must be young, right?

Yes he must be.

 

To like space sim and not know David Braben and Elite is a travesty. The WHOLE genre owes him respect (since he basically created the genre in pc gaming. It didn't exist before Elite).

  Boardwalker

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Joined: 11/12/07
Posts: 383

12/19/12 2:52:47 PM#28

I played the hell out of Elite on my C-64 back in the day. It was a fantastic game. Heck, it's one of the reasons that I picked up EVE originally. I really look forward to this iteration of the series and what Braben does with it.

That being said, I try to keep the following in mind:

 

1. E:D doesn't exist, and will not exist for at least a couple years. During its development, the dev team will run into issues and have to make compromises. I try to temper my claims (not my enthusiasm) about how it has features that EVE should have, or does something better. Right now, it does nothing that EVE does, nor does it do anything better.

2. E:D is not an MMORPG like EVE. It will be single player and have a multiplayer component. It's way more MMO than MMORPG.

3. EVE has been out for 10 years, has an incredibly rich history, has a large and mature universe that is affected by the players (sovereignty, for example), has a dizzying about of career possiblities, and has a complex character progression scheme.  That's just to name a few of its features. If E:D or SC have even half the gameplay that EVE has now (and will have 2 years for now), I hope that both games succeed, along with EVE. It will be great for PC games to have multiple choices for those seeking a break from fanatasy-themed games.

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  D_TOX

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12/19/12 3:44:04 PM#29
When it comes to gaming, if it sounds too good to be true it always is. 
  Zyzra

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12/19/12 3:52:31 PM#30

In related news...

A Tale In The Desert is adding space dogfighting within a procedurally generated galaxy because some other game said it was a good thing.

Granted the desert dwellers are still mastering how to turn clay into pottery, but we're sure they'll get the hang of piloting spacecraft in no time once they craft their fighters out of papyrus and mud.

  free2play

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Posts: 1780

12/23/12 6:00:26 PM#31

His presentation sounds a lot like many EVE trailers from the past.

Looked good in the trailer.

  Jester92

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12/24/12 4:55:17 PM#32

EVE shouldnt have been anything other than what it is now, no member of the current community who isnt a troll, would play it any other way, CCP is a true developer who looks into the player's best interest aswell as asking the players for feedback and taking said feedback seriously.

EVE any other way wouldn't be EVE therefore EVE shouldn't have been Star Citizen.

J. B.

  Garkan

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12/26/12 9:14:17 AM#33
It was inevitable that the "EVE should be this" or "EVE will die" chants would start, still that doesn't matter. With both David Braben and Chris Roberts returning to the genre they pretty much defined exciting days are ahead.

Currently playing:

EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)

Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.

(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.

  SuprGamerX

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12/26/12 9:20:51 AM#34
Originally posted by Lobotomist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uKD1ap5hsI&feature=youtu.be

In my oppinion main thing missing from EVE to make it true sandbox miracle great for PVP and PVE players alike.

lol , let the game release first and let people try it out and see how it goes from there.  We've seen ALOT of devs doing stuff that should of been in many MMO's , and guess what? They ended up being major failures. I really don't care for Dev diaries and crap , release the game once it's polished and all , and I'll try it out for myself and do my own review on what I like and don't like , thank you very much.

  Malcanis

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"A very special kind of stupidity"

12/27/12 4:59:53 AM#35
Originally posted by Garkan
It was inevitable that the "EVE should be this" or "EVE will die" chants would start, still that doesn't matter. With both David Braben and Chris Roberts returning to the genre they pretty much defined exciting days are ahead.

 

Anyone can put up a web page with a bunch of killer game concepts. Lets see what actual code is in the open beta client before we start getting excited.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Caldrin

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12/27/12 5:09:25 AM#36

Eve is Eve.. it does very well because of that..

 

As for Elite Dangerous i cant bloody wait, backed it ages ago and i really hope they manage to make the target.

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  Garkan

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12/27/12 5:21:59 AM#37
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Garkan
It was inevitable that the "EVE should be this" or "EVE will die" chants would start, still that doesn't matter. With both David Braben and Chris Roberts returning to the genre they pretty much defined exciting days are ahead.

 

Anyone can put up a web page with a bunch of killer game concepts. Lets see what actual code is in the open beta client before we start getting excited.

 

The code matters of course but David Braben and Chris Roberts designed great games, that bodes well for whatever they release. Saying that coding isn't hard would be stupid but coding isn't that difficult if you get a competent team together, game design is the real challenge these games will face.  In case I wasn't clear enough in my post I do not agree with all this "EVE will die because of those games". EVE is EVE and is a success because of its uniqueness. 
 
I just think its exciting for those pair to be making space games again, the genre has suffered over the recent decade or so. Only a few indie and small dev titles have been worth playing, classic space devs like Digital Anvil died. Unless Elite 2 and Star Citizen are disasters its actually going to good for EVE, bringing a whole new generation to space games will be good news for CCP. Many players might start off with those games and want to try EVE.
 

Currently playing:

EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)

Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.

(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.

  tom_gore

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12/27/12 5:42:17 AM#38
Originally posted by Yakamomoto

time for EvE to bring in some avatar based gameplay, walking in stations,...

Otherwise SC and Elite will drain a good part of the playerbase

I don't think CCP has the resources to make that happen. AFAIK WiS has been put on hold, indefinitely.

Coming up are more "expansions" that patch existing stuff and add small bits and pieces of the same stuff.

But if they keep launching these "expansions" every 5-6 months like they do now, it's all good.

 

Well at least until a real alternative comes along.

 

  MumboJumbo

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12/27/12 5:46:19 AM#39
Originally posted by Garkan
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Garkan
It was inevitable that the "EVE should be this" or "EVE will die" chants would start, still that doesn't matter. With both David Braben and Chris Roberts returning to the genre they pretty much defined exciting days are ahead.

 

Anyone can put up a web page with a bunch of killer game concepts. Lets see what actual code is in the open beta client before we start getting excited.

 

The code matters of course but David Braben and Chris Roberts designed great games, that bodes well for whatever they release. Saying that coding isn't hard would be stupid but coding isn't that difficult if you get a competent team together, game design is the real challenge these games will face.  In case I wasn't clear enough in my post I do not agree with all this "EVE will die because of those games". EVE is EVE and is a success because of its uniqueness. 
 
I just think its exciting for those pair to be making space games again, the genre has suffered over the recent decade or so. Only a few indie and small dev titles have been worth playing, classic space devs like Digital Anvil died. Unless Elite 2 and Star Citizen are disasters its actually going to good for EVE, bringing a whole new generation to space games will be good news for CCP. Many players might start off with those games and want to try EVE.
 

Exactly how I see things. Think it will attract more interest. There's also always the indie batch of space games eg 0x10^c and one or two others.

  Gdemami

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12/27/12 5:48:58 AM#40


Originally posted by Garkan

The code matters of course but David Braben and Chris Roberts designed great games, that bodes well for whatever they release.

False appeal to authority.

Project matters, not the one who is pulling it off.

If I still had to base on authority, I would say it is those "old-school" devs that have the best chance to fail because how detached they are with current MMO market and it's customer base. Same as "hardcore" fans on these boards and games that are stuck in the past, unable to adapt and accept changes.


Originally posted by Garkan

Only a few indie and small dev titles have been worth playing, classic space devs like Digital Anvil died.

Without a decent budget(30-80M), small team can only deliver sub-par product. MMOs are too expensive to make. Simple math.

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