Long but worth your time.

Yea man, I saw that and was wondering when someone would make a topic.

CCP are just acting embarassing. On several levels.

Disclaimer: I don't fully understand how the trick that the Goons pulled worked, because I don't do FW, and my account is currently inactive since last month. BUT:

CCP implement a system that they don't understand, but Goons did. Then they punish Goons for that, saying that the way they used CCPs mechanic was not intended.

What has CCPs intention got to do with the whole conflict? CCPs intention is so cryptic and incomprehensible in many of their game mechanics that nobody really looks for an explanation anymore and just adapts. (see also: Huge chunks of useless ships, lack of race balance, corp roles management, wallet divisions, low sec in general, etc..) That's what Goons did better than everyone else again. They adapted.

Also, it looks like what Goons did was just market manipulation, which has always been a part of Eve and one of the core essences of its social engine.

Does that mean that I have to petition my every step in the game now to check if its working as intended in the eyes of CCP Sreegs? And who the hell is that Sreegs guy anyway, whose responses are basically "no u"?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524047#post1524047

That's CCPs forum mascot now? That doesn't exactly make me want to resub to Eve. I get mad just reading that, especially so soon after CCP made "harassing rookies" a bannable offense - without stating what a rookie is - or harassing.

Goons. I applaud you - I think that's what it looks like when someone wins Eve.

EDIT: While I posted this, Sreegs has gotten even more childish:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524079#post1524079

"Ok I'm going to go watch The Footy. It's been a gas folks."

That's their PR guy? This has got to be a fucking joke, right? Do CCP know that anyone can read their forum? It's also the same person as GM Hemorrhoids, errr, Homophobia, err - excuse me - Homonoia, right?

Originally posted by FastSloth

Yea man, I saw that and was wondering when someone would make a topic.

 

CCP are just acting embarassing. On several levels.

 

Disclaimer: I don't fully understand how the trick that the Goons pulled worked, because I don't do FW, and my account is currently inactive since last month. BUT:

 

CCP implement a system that they don't understand, but Goons did. Then they punish Goons for that, saying that the way they used CCPs mechanic was not intended.

 

What has CCPs intention got to do with the whole conflict? CCPs intention is so cryptic and incomprehensible in many of their game mechanics that nobody really looks for an explanation anymore and just adapts. (see also: Huge chunks of useless ships, lack of race balance, corp roles management, wallet divisions, low sec in general, etc..) That's what Goons did better than everyone else again. They adapted.

 

Also, it looks like what Goons did was just market manipulation, which has always been a part of Eve and one of the core essences of its social engine.

 

Does that mean that I have to petition my every step in the game now to check if its working as intended in the eyes of CCP Sreegs? And who the hell is that Sreegs guy anyway, whose responses are basically "no u"?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524047#post1524047

 

That's CCPs forum mascot now? That doesn't exactly make me want to resub to Eve. I get mad just reading that, especially so soon after CCP made "harassing rookies" a bannable offense - without stating what a rookie is - or harassing.

 

Goons. I applaud you - I think that's what it looks like when someone wins Eve.

 

EDIT: While I posted this, Sreegs has gotten even more childish:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524079#post1524079

 

"Ok I'm going to go watch The Footy. It's been a gas folks."

That's their PR guy? This has got to be a fucking joke, right? Do CCP know that anyone can read their forum? It's also the same person as GM Hemorrhoids, errr, Homophobia, err - excuse me - Homonoia, right?

You should read all of Sreeg's posts in that thread, its as simple as clicking the "CCP DEV" tag over and over to move to the next post. The conflict atm seems to be:

People exploited a design flaw, said people had assets removed (maybe a little more then they made in the exploit) and people are upset because the exploiters have lost personal assets not gained in the exploit. (some people are upset that CCP took away any assets at all)

I dont see an issue. These people who explain in detail of how they exploited to "help the game" and hopefully avoid punishment are idiotic. They knew what they were doing, they knew it was an exploit, they should be happy they dont have negative wallets or permabanned accounts. If they truly wanted to help the game and the community (lol) then they should have just posted their information rather then actually put it into effect, now they have to lay in the bed they've made.

Let me sum it up quickly.

Goons find a flaw in a new patch.

Goons stack their ships with certain gear and blow each other to smitherines for massive profit.

Goons brag about in official forums.

Devs take their gains away and fix broken mechanic.

Goons cry precious tears.

As a forme ASCNN member I thank goonies defeating Band of Biscuits "cheaters"... for nothing lol

I don't see how people can admire what Guenies are always doing in EVE. They've said they are out to ruin the game and have made numerous attempts at doing just that.

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It's not a bad thing that they did the number crunching to sniff out this error, but they should've just reported to CCP at first knowledge instead of just exploiting without giving a damn. There is nothing helpful about that towards the longevity of EVE.

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Since my post was modded.. Let me put my point more nice

Guenies are a bunch of babies that need to grow up and stop acting like children. From my POV.. Guenies are a rather large collection of players that are sort of stinky and very manuerish on approach..

I do not favor their exploitive gameplay..

the problem is that theres quite a few number of people who dont understand what an exploit is. exploits are subject to judgement by devs just as laws are subject to judgement by a judge. i would call what they did an exploit after seeing tons of exploits since the 90s.

others say "oh its a sandbox everything goes." they dont realise that there are rules as well in a sandbox.  a lot of the people who are rabbling and making a big deal out of it seem to be goons and their alts. i wouldnt be surpirsed if the op is also a goon. i gotta give them credit, atleast they try to defend their own. an exploit is an exploit however. if you read the original thread, where these guys were bragging, you can even see they knew they were exploiting. they should get a perma ban, not just have their stuff taken.

CCP Sreegs isn't "their PR guy". He's head of the security team that chases botters, RMTers, etc. Whilst I don't agree with his actions, he's certainly the guy with the authority to make them.

The real issue is that 5Tn ISK isn't even enough to seriously damage the EVE economy.

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Originally posted by Opapanax I don't see how people can admire what Guenies are always doing in EVE. They've said they are out to ruin the game and have made numerous attempts at doing just that.

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First off, you got the quote wrong. They dont want to ruin the game, they want to ruin your game. Then you may want to go look up who actually said it and then go look up who in CCP is dealing with this crysis. You may be in for some irony overload.

Also, no verdict has been pronounced as far as I know, and assests have been thus far only temporarily seized to prevent damage to LP items market (which wasn't actually in danger thanks to the FW five being sensible, but :CCP:). Personally, based on previous analogous cases, I think they should be allowed to keep whatever they got. If CCP rules otherwise, it will be a game changer for certain areas of market speculation and the game will become a little more boring as a result. 

Any exploit should result in a perma account and IP ban imo.

Eve depends on its market and something like this hurts the game and in turn frustrates people that play the right way to the point of leaving. 

Originally posted by Z3R01

Any exploit should result in a perma account and IP ban imo.

Eve depends on its market and something like this hurts the game and in turn frustrates people that play the right way to the point of leaving. 

 

It's going to be difficult for CCP to justify bans for activity that was pointed out to them in testing and was confirmed as "working as intended". CCP's mistake was in not realising how quickly and how massively some EVE players are able to respond to such opportunities.

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Originally posted by Malcanis

It's going to be difficult for CCP to justify bans for activity that was pointed out to them in testing and was confirmed as "working as intended".

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Source? Proof?

Originally posted by Chram

 

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Originally posted by Opapanax I don't see how people can admire what Guenies are always doing in EVE. They've said they are out to ruin the game and have made numerous attempts at doing just that.

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First off, you got the quote wrong. They dont want to ruin the game, they want to ruin your game. Then you may want to go look up who actually said it and then go look up who in CCP is dealing with this crysis. You may be in for some irony overload.

Also, no verdict has been pronounced as far as I know, and assests have been thus far only temporarily seized to prevent damage to LP items market (which wasn't actually in danger thanks to the FW five being sensible, but :CCP:). Personally, based on previous analogous cases, I think they should be allowed to keep whatever they got. If CCP rules otherwise, it will be a game changer for certain areas of market speculation and the game will become a little more boring as a result. 

The game I play is the very same game they play and that game is EVE, So in turn ruining my game would be ruining the game of EVE itself. Thank you for proving my point and giving a fine example of the basic hooplah they try to spit to nieve people who try to put these guys on some pedestal of clever game mechanics.

They purposely exploited this new issue. Just like they've exploited numerous issues in EVE as well as just being overall jackasses.

I won't say that the people who support their actions are as wrongful as Guenies themselves, but giving them admiration just for shits and giggles doesn't help things either. I'm not here to say what type of punishment they should recieve but its more than apparent what they did. By their own admitance they were exploiting..

Plain and simple.. A vast majority of Guens in my experiences are lamer and are out to troll games and the community of those games.

Originally posted by Opapanax

Originally posted by Chram

 

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Originally posted by Opapanax ...

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The game I play is the very same game they play and that game is EVE, So in turn ruining my game would be ruining the game of EVE itself. Thank you for proving my point and giving a fine example of the basic hooplah they try to spit to nieve people who try to put these guys on some pedestal of clever game mechanics.

They purposely exploited this new issue. Just like they've exploited numerous issues in EVE as well as just being overall jackasses.

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Plain and simple.. A vast majority of Guens in my experiences are lamer and are out to troll games and the community of those games.

Your game as in you specifically. Doesn't affect me and my EVE in the slightest, nor do I care whatsoever. I would of course object against ruining the game itself.

Also, it's debatable whether it was an exploit. CCP was notified in advance that it was possible and didn't act. Used were only mechanics that were publicised in dev blogs and perfectly legit. No bugs etc. CCP just din't realize the possible scope in time.

And about Goons - I don't know, I am neither a Goon hater nor lover (I shoot them from time to time), but you have to admire what they have accomplished in EVE. They are probably the most stable and resilient organization on this scale over the last (at least) five years. No small feat when facing the constant adversities of null sec and EVE in general.  

Originally posted by Chram

Originally posted by Opapanax

Originally posted by Chram

 

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Originally posted by Opapanax ...

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The game I play is the very same game they play and that game is EVE, So in turn ruining my game would be ruining the game of EVE itself. Thank you for proving my point and giving a fine example of the basic hooplah they try to spit to nieve people who try to put these guys on some pedestal of clever game mechanics.

They purposely exploited this new issue. Just like they've exploited numerous issues in EVE as well as just being overall jackasses.

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Plain and simple.. A vast majority of Guens in my experiences are lamer and are out to troll games and the community of those games.

Your game as in you specifically. Doesn't affect me and my EVE in the slightest, nor do I care whatsoever. I would of course object against ruining the game itself.

Also, it's debatable whether it was an exploit. CCP was notified in advance that it was possible and didn't act. Used were only mechanics that were publicised in dev blogs and perfectly legit. No bugs etc. CCP just din't realize the possible scope in time.

And about Goons - I don't know, I am neither a Goon hater nor lover (I shoot them from time to time), but you have to admire what they have accomplished in EVE. They are probably the most stable and resilient organization on this scale over the last (at least) five years. No small feat when facing the constant adversities of null sec and EVE in general.  

LoL.. No matter how you try to spin it bro they are out to hinder the experiences of others in EVE. All the nonsense about what game I'm playing compared to what game they are playing is silly..

It's EVE online.. It's not Guens Online and its not Opapanax Online.. LoL..

Guenies did their little math and found the exploitive results. They then purposely targeted that exploit for their own gain.. Exploitive gameplay hands down..

Wow.. just wow dude.. Lol...

Originally posted by Chram

First off, you got the quote wrong. They dont want to ruin the game, they want to ruin your game. Then you may want to go look up who actually said it and then go look up who in CCP is dealing with this crysis. You may be in for some irony overload.

Hate to break it too you, but Something Awful is a business and is simply in it too make money. 

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Originally posted by Chram

CCP was notified in advance that it was possible and didn't act.  

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Source, Proof?

Also, they are not obliged to "act" nor their reluctant stance makes it less of an exploit.

Originally posted by Opapanax

Originally posted by Chram

 

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Originally posted by Opapanax I don't see how people can admire what Guenies are always doing in EVE. They've said they are out to ruin the game and have made numerous attempts at doing just that.

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First off, you got the quote wrong. They dont want to ruin the game, they want to ruin your game. Then you may want to go look up who actually said it and then go look up who in CCP is dealing with this crysis. You may be in for some irony overload.

Also, no verdict has been pronounced as far as I know, and assests have been thus far only temporarily seized to prevent damage to LP items market (which wasn't actually in danger thanks to the FW five being sensible, but :CCP:). Personally, based on previous analogous cases, I think they should be allowed to keep whatever they got. If CCP rules otherwise, it will be a game changer for certain areas of market speculation and the game will become a little more boring as a result. 

The game I play is the very same game they play and that game is EVE, So in turn ruining my game would be ruining the game of EVE itself. Thank you for proving my point and giving a fine example of the basic hooplah they try to spit to nieve people who try to put these guys on some pedestal of clever game mechanics.

They purposely exploited this new issue. Just like they've exploited numerous issues in EVE as well as just being overall jackasses.

I won't say that the people who support their actions are as wrongful as Guenies themselves, but giving them admiration just for shits and giggles doesn't help things either. I'm not here to say what type of punishment they should recieve but its more than apparent what they did. By their own admitance they were exploiting..

Plain and simple.. A vast majority of Guens in my experiences are lamer and are out to troll games and the community of those games.

 Thanks for the overly gross generalization and complete lack of informed posting.

We thank you.

You gotta love the hypocrisy that runs rampant on the forums.  TWO, two, guys used a loophole in the FW mechanic to generate a bunch of isk, CCP releases what they thought was a fix, then those same TWO guys demonstrated how it wasn't fixed. 

Oh but wait.  Jade Constantine openly states that he's going see if he can exploit the new wardec system, CCP sees that it's not being used as intended, and damned if we aren't, yet again, blamed for something else in the game. 

You guys hate us so much but you never. do. aything. about it.  Crying on the forums isn't going to stop us; it only reaffirms the truth.  We're winning at internet spaceships, and you can't handle it. 

Originally posted by Uhwop

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You gotta love the hypocrisy that runs rampant on the forums.  TWO, two, guys used a loophole in the FW mechanic to generate a bunch of isk, CCP releases what they thought was a fix, then those same TWO guys demonstrated how it wasn't fixed. 

Oh but wait.  Jade Constantine openly states that he's going see if he can exploit the new wardec system, CCP sees that it's not being used as intended, and damned if we aren't, yet again, blamed for something else in the game. 

You guys hate us so much but you never. do. aything. about it.  Crying on the forums isn't going to stop us; it only reaffirms the truth.  We're winning at internet spaceships, and you can't handle it. 

This guy, is absolutely right.

Blame 10,000 for acts of 2, demand "justice" by demanding ban for the CEO and dismantling the community. Call the UN I mean CCP for help or blame them for the lack of, because you're too fucking weak to get your own legs off the coffee table and go to your real computer and start an actual fight against "the enemy".

Every single day, somewhere in Tranquility, Clusterfuck Coalition Jump Freighter is killed and 5+ billion ISK is lost. We just get over it, or retaliate.

Hmm, the Goons did something bad again and got caught and their ill gotten gains were confiscated.. is this something we should really be concerned about.. i've no doubt they have another fiddle or three in progress anyway, dishonest behaviour is part and parcel of being a Goon.. unless they've changed their modus operandi lately.. which is .. hard to imagine.