Originally posted by JayBirdz

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by JayBirdz

Back to Goons  and Jita:

  While Goons are no doubt organized, I seriously doubt that they have the manpower to field 2000+ people to Jita as well as keep their home space secure. 

Actually with over 8000 members I wouldn't be surprised if they did, and remember its not just going to be goons, it will be TEST and the rest of the clusterfuck coalition as well, I don't know the exact numbers of all their allies and them put together but I imagine its close to the 20,000 mark if not more. However a couple of thousand less bodies in the north should give their enemies a fighting chance without being zerged too badly. 

That's a fair point.  I wasn't including Test/CFC which wasn't fair I guess. They do still have to maintain their own space.   

I don't know the exact numbers of Goons either.  I thought 2k was a fair number of actual players at anytime.  Seen that number thrown around on Eve-O a few times and no Goons protesting it, so I ran with it.

No doubt they will get more kills than the average freighter gankers. It's basically business as usual. Goons will just get more than anyone else.  People have 30 days to prepare and setup temp hubs. I guess as long as it doesn't turn into a full on griefing of CCP I doubt there will be any issues with it.   If it starts costing people jobs and CCP money, I wouldn't be surprised if CCP responds in some form or manner. Would you?

Goons, TEST, Fatal Ascension, Gentlemen's Agreement, BLACK-MARK, Spacemonkey's Alliance (I know, that apostrophe is horrid), Get Off My Lawn, Fidelas Constans, Executive Outcomes, Tactical Narcotics Team, C0NVICTED, I'm probably missing some still, but so far the member count of just those alliances is over 26,000. Its ironic that Goons have built a coalition even bigger than the old BOB empire that they decried. They also have the most extensive jump bridge network in the game, meaning they can literally move huge numbers of players instantly from one edge of their space to the other edge, making defense unsurprisingly easy. 

2,000 is probably a fair number of casual online they have at any given time, if Mittani blows the horn of gondor I'm sure you will see way more than 2,000.

I think for goons part of the fun is giving warning ahead of time and then still being able to gank a lot of clueless people. So yeah its likely they will out gank the regular gankers but they will probably see it as a win: "lulz we warned you and you still died lololololol"

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Lobotomist

And he should be sanctioned for what he did. Hopefully charged for treath and intention of body harm. By the police.

(people go to jail for less than what he said there) 

I'm not sure he threatened any actual bodily harm, I think he meant to send his goons -in game- to wherever this guy was -in game- and have them attack him -in game- "for teh lulz". EVE does allow you to find other players in game via NPC locator agents. Why thats built into the game you can probably draw your own conclusions on.

He is lucky Fan Fest was in Iceland instead of GB. In England there are people that served jail time for much less. (Mocking friends of car accident victims, for example)

And Mittani is still not out of the loop mind you. The guy can still sue him (and he is stupid he does not) and he can sue CCP as well.

And in worst case scenario , if the guy does commit suicide , Mittani would be held responsible (even facing murder charges for a drunken joke)...

Which makes Mittani the stupidest ass around.

I would change my name and go into hiding if i was him.

 

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Lobotomist

And he should be sanctioned for what he did. Hopefully charged for treath and intention of body harm. By the police.

(people go to jail for less than what he said there) 

I'm not sure he threatened any actual bodily harm, I think he meant to send his goons -in game- to wherever this guy was -in game- and have them attack him -in game- "for teh lulz". EVE does allow you to find other players in game via NPC locator agents. Why thats built into the game you can probably draw your own conclusions on.

He is lucky Fan Fest was in Iceland instead of GB. In England there are people that served jail time for much less. (Mocking friends of car accident victims, for example)

And Mittani is still not out of the loop mind you. The guy can still sue him (and he is stupid he does not) and he can sue CCP as well.

And in worst case scenario , if the guy does commit suicide , Mittani would be held responsible (even facing murder charges for a drunken joke)...

Which makes Mittani the stupidest ass around.

I would change my name and go into hiding if i was him.

 

All of this just legitimizes suicidal behavior.  While I do believe what the Mittani did was distastful to say the least, suicidal people love attention and giving this guy attention is not going to help the problem.   Eggshell clients don't win lawsuits either so this guy isn't going to get anything that a normal person wouldn't.  The Wis needs to quit EVE and get some help, rewarding him was the worst possible thing to happen here.

Gosh it's only 30 days. Hardly something to make a bigger rage about. His punishment was well deserved and if that's the OP's original post than the punishment was justified.

Because if even for an instant the victim felt "threatened" or "targeted" by the Mintanni's comments then he is guilty. He stated he was cool until he went live with it and tried to get others in on the harassment. Dude said he looked at it different after seeing the video and seeing how Mintanni premeditated his attack on him...

There's no black and white here.. It's straight forward, you can not incite others to try to harass someone. It's basic common fucking sesne or and yea.. Basic human decency..

He deserved his punishment now let him rot for the 30 days and come back.. It's not that serious

Originally posted by Opapanax

There's no black and white here.. It's straight forward, you can not incite others to try to harass someone. It's basic common fucking sesne or and yea.. Basic human decency..

Incidently, as soon as he comes back he plans on inciting his entire coalition to harass people in the most populated solar system on the single shard. 

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ankur

Most of the people are using this guy as an excuse to flame goons. I really doubt they care what happens to him in real life.

 

And that does not excuse the original actions of the Mittani, it has no bearing on any of this, it is beyond EvE Online

What? It has a rather large bearing on the whole fake moral outrage crusade part.

 

Sorry but people with zero connection to either party involved and zero connection to the game, who are banging on about the event on a forum from which zero good/bad will come from their posts.. are just rabble rousing.

 

Still everyone loves a good internet lynch mob amirite?

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ankur

Most of the people are using this guy as an excuse to flame goons. I really doubt they care what happens to him in real life.

 

And that does not excuse the original actions of the Mittani, it has no bearing on any of this, it is beyond EvE Online

What? It has a rather large bearing on the whole fake moral outrage crusade part.

 

Sorry but people with zero connection to either party involved and zero connection to the game, who are banging on about the event on a forum from which zero good/bad will come from their posts.. are just rabble rousing.

 

Still everyone loves a good internet lynch mob amirite?

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have to have a connection to recognise poor behaviour. It doesn't matter to me about EvE or it's politics, it's nice to see terrible behaviour rightly damned, or do you disagree with the Mittani that his his behaviour was abhorrent.

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Opapanax

There's no black and white here.. It's straight forward, you can not incite others to try to harass someone. It's basic common fucking sesne or and yea.. Basic human decency..

Incidently, as soon as he comes back he plans on inciting his entire coalition to harass people in the most populated solar system on the single shard. 

 

Because he now realises the difference between a game and real life.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Griefers suffer from inferiority sindrome, but they are also inheritely agressive. Meaning they wish to harm other people but they are afraid to do it.

Virtual world gives them opportunity to harm other people with no risk to them selves.

It feels so good to them that they are willing to pay anything to get it. And companies like CCP take advantage of that.

 

This is why i stoped playing EVE, and other FFA PVP games.

Because they are not made for PVP , they are made for griefing - they give huge upper hand to cowards

And if you are not one , there is simply no point in playing.

One of the better posts I've read in a long time on these forums. Well said and so true.

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Mittani is perfect example of half-monkey tosser

And he should be sanctioned for what he did. Hopefully charged for treath and intention of body harm. By the police.

(people go to jail for less than what he said there)

 

In defence of EVE , not everyone playing the game is like that. In fact i met more polite and intelligent people there, than such idiots.

 

Problem is that CCP and companies like that encourage this type of players.

Reason is simple.

Griefers suffer from inferiority sindrome, but they are also inheritely agressive. Meaning they wish to harm other people but they are afraid to do it.

Virtual world gives them opportunity to harm other people with no risk to them selves.

It feels so good to them that they are willing to pay anything to get it. And companies like CCP take advantage of that.

 

This is why i stoped playing EVE, and other FFA PVP games.

Because they are not made for PVP , they are made for griefing - they give huge upper hand to cowards

And if you are not one , there is simply no point in playing.

 

 

Kind of honing in on one point you made that is divergent from the purpose of the thread, but I too have found that oddly for a griefing based game, the community (minus some extreme exceptions) in general is head and shoulders more helpful and mature than any other MMO community I have participated in.

Probably because EVE isnt a insta-gratification game and attracts and older, more patient crowd I am guessing. My own kids still play wow/rift and dont understand why I like EVE.

 

 

 

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ankur

 

 

 

 

I don't have to have a connection to recognise poor behaviour. It doesn't matter to me about EvE or it's politics, it's nice to see terrible behaviour rightly damned, or do you disagree with the Mittani that his his behaviour was abhorrent.

It is one thing to recognise poor behavior and quite another to repeatedly bang on about it. It is not constructive, non of the parties is going to take anything from people white knighting on this forum. So after a couple of posts, what is the point about continually going on about it exactly if you have no connection whatsoever?

 

Many are just rabble rousing, there is no real moral outrage, people just want to see someone "punished". Which is pathetic.

 

 

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Ankur

 

 

 

 

I don't have to have a connection to recognise poor behaviour. It doesn't matter to me about EvE or it's politics, it's nice to see terrible behaviour rightly damned, or do you disagree with the Mittani that his his behaviour was abhorrent.

It is one thing to recognise poor behavior and quite another to repeatedly bang on about it. It is not constructive, non of the parties is going to take anything from people white knighting on this forum. So after a couple of posts, what is the point about continually going on about it exactly if you have no connection whatsoever?

 

Many are just rabble rousing, there is no real moral outrage, people just want to see someone "punished". Which is pathetic.

 

 

 

The last few posts I have been responding to your excusing of the behaviour. I don't keep dredging the thread back up

While I don't really know the whole story, it's things like this that keep me from even trying EVE. I play games to have fun, not to harrass or be harrassed by other people. If I want that then I will play an FPS which is the main goal of the genre to just kill people and brag about it. The fact that people actually pay to have this done to them is almost sad.

Originally posted by Sector13

While I don't really know the whole story, it's things like this that keep me from even trying EVE. I play games to have fun, not to harrass or be harrassed by other people. If I want that then I will play an FPS which is the main goal of the genre to just kill people and brag about it. The fact that people actually pay to have this done to them is almost sad.

I see these in every thread regarding some type of bad issue in Eve and I have to say it's such a naive attitude.  If you have played ANY MMO in the last decade you'd know there are people out there who act immature and juvenile.  One, or even a small group, of players who act this way isn't an accurate indicator of the rest of the population.

Yes, Eve is a cutthroat game but that's part of the attractiveness as much as a pitfall.  There are plenty of noobie corps in the game that have so much good experience to give to people.

Buck up, butter-cup, the world isn't all rainbows and ponies.

 

Originally posted by Quesa

Originally posted by Sector13

While I don't really know the whole story, it's things like this that keep me from even trying EVE. I play games to have fun, not to harrass or be harrassed by other people. If I want that then I will play an FPS which is the main goal of the genre to just kill people and brag about it. The fact that people actually pay to have this done to them is almost sad.

I see these in every thread regarding some type of bad issue in Eve and I have to say it's such a naive attitude.  If you have played ANY MMO in the last decade you'd know there are people out there who act immature and juvenile.  One, or even a small group, of players who act this way isn't an accurate indicator of the rest of the population.

Yes, Eve is a cutthroat game but that's part of the attractiveness as much as a pitfall.  There are plenty of noobie corps in the game that have so much good experience to give to people.

Buck up, butter-cup, the world isn't all rainbows and ponies.
 

And your point? I know quite well that life isn't "rainbows and ponies" but when I am out to have fun, why would I want to deal with those immature and juvenile people while paying for it? That seems so illogical to me that it makes me wonder why people even bother playing games like that. The fact that someone who does actions like in this story actually tried to claim "I'm not a sociopath or a sadist" it outright laughable. They are only appoligizing because it became an issue. I would say someone like that should burn in hell but the fact that people play that game and to get in that situation are just as bad. If you're into EVE like gameplay then you're either a sociopath, a sadist or a masocist. Take your pick. I personally think that games were meant to be fun in themselves, not fun by harrassing other people to the point of possible suicide.

pretty stupid thing for him to say, but hilariously overblown reaction. sticks and stones cant break your bones.. i know in europe they dont believe that, but you guys just need to get over.

yeah people on the internet can be dicks. they can be dicks IRL too. instead of getting your panties in a bunch, ignore stupid puerile comments and move on.

man, you just gotta love eve.

it's like a bunch of games rolled into one all of them ruthless.

Originally posted by Sector13

Originally posted by Quesa

Originally posted by Sector13

While I don't really know the whole story, it's things like this that keep me from even trying EVE. I play games to have fun, not to harrass or be harrassed by other people. If I want that then I will play an FPS which is the main goal of the genre to just kill people and brag about it. The fact that people actually pay to have this done to them is almost sad.

I see these in every thread regarding some type of bad issue in Eve and I have to say it's such a naive attitude.  If you have played ANY MMO in the last decade you'd know there are people out there who act immature and juvenile.  One, or even a small group, of players who act this way isn't an accurate indicator of the rest of the population.

Yes, Eve is a cutthroat game but that's part of the attractiveness as much as a pitfall.  There are plenty of noobie corps in the game that have so much good experience to give to people.

Buck up, butter-cup, the world isn't all rainbows and ponies.
 

And your point? I know quite well that life isn't "rainbows and ponies" but when I am out to have fun, why would I want to deal with those immature and juvenile people while paying for it? That seems so illogical to me that it makes me wonder why people even bother playing games like that. The fact that someone who does actions like in this story actually tried to claim "I'm not a sociopath or a sadist" it outright laughable. They are only appoligizing because it became an issue. I would say someone like that should burn in hell but the fact that people play that game and to get in that situation are just as bad. If you're into EVE like gameplay then you're either a sociopath, a sadist or a masocist. Take your pick. I personally think that games were meant to be fun in themselves, not fun by harrassing other people to the point of possible suicide.

Some people don't want to play a game where everybody wins. If the people going into the game know that they can't win all the time then whats the problem with losing some? Also some people want to play a virtual world rather than a game. True story.

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Sector13

Originally posted by Quesa

Originally posted by Sector13

While I don't really know the whole story, it's things like this that keep me from even trying EVE. I play games to have fun, not to harrass or be harrassed by other people. If I want that then I will play an FPS which is the main goal of the genre to just kill people and brag about it. The fact that people actually pay to have this done to them is almost sad.

I see these in every thread regarding some type of bad issue in Eve and I have to say it's such a naive attitude.  If you have played ANY MMO in the last decade you'd know there are people out there who act immature and juvenile.  One, or even a small group, of players who act this way isn't an accurate indicator of the rest of the population.

Yes, Eve is a cutthroat game but that's part of the attractiveness as much as a pitfall.  There are plenty of noobie corps in the game that have so much good experience to give to people.

Buck up, butter-cup, the world isn't all rainbows and ponies.
 

And your point? I know quite well that life isn't "rainbows and ponies" but when I am out to have fun, why would I want to deal with those immature and juvenile people while paying for it? That seems so illogical to me that it makes me wonder why people even bother playing games like that. The fact that someone who does actions like in this story actually tried to claim "I'm not a sociopath or a sadist" it outright laughable. They are only appoligizing because it became an issue. I would say someone like that should burn in hell but the fact that people play that game and to get in that situation are just as bad. If you're into EVE like gameplay then you're either a sociopath, a sadist or a masocist. Take your pick. I personally think that games were meant to be fun in themselves, not fun by harrassing other people to the point of possible suicide.

Some people don't want to play a game where everybody wins. If the people going into the game know that they can't win all the time then whats the problem with losing some? Also some people want to play a virtual world rather than a game. True story.

AWesome F2P (lol) virtual world out there called Second Life. I'll be going there when i want my virtual world, and to my games when i want games ^_^

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by Opapanax

There's no black and white here.. It's straight forward, you can not incite others to try to harass someone. It's basic common fucking sesne or and yea.. Basic human decency..

Incidently, as soon as he comes back he plans on inciting his entire coalition to harass people in the most populated solar system on the single shard. 

 

Because he now realises the difference between a game and real life.

As this event was at first planned to be a celebration of him getting the CSM chair again.

What do you mean with "now", how did you end with your conclusion?