First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

Dude, read your other thread.

You're just a moron. lol

PVE isn't the focus of the game. PVE is just something that was thrown in to make the world more dynamic.

EVE isn't a solo player's game.

I'd love to see you take on a lvl 55 with only 2 months play in a game like L2.

But at the very least I could one day catch up to the level 55 through playing more than him whereas in Eve that could never happen.  Their skill system is just horribly flawed..

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Originally posted by DemonknightI
But at the very least I could one day catch up to the level 55 through playing more than him whereas in Eve that could never happen. Their skill system is just horribly flawed..

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No... no you wouldn't. Unless you BOUGHT a lvl 55.
The game would be long dead before you ever reached lvl 40.

Even in WoW, let me see you catch up to a player who has been on one of the oldest servers since Day 1. You can catch up to him in lvls but he'll always pwn you because he's decked out in the best epics.

sigh....

It a game where levels are attained through leveling ingame if said "lvl 55" didn't play for awhile and I did play I could make that level while he was still at it.  In Eve you don't even have to play and you keep on skilling up so there's virtually no way to catch up unless everyone else turns off their skills and lets you.

thanks

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Originally posted by DemonknightI
sigh....

It a game where levels are attained through leveling ingame if said "lvl 55" didn't play for awhile and I did play I could make that level while he was still at it.  In Eve you don't even have to play and you keep on skilling up so there's virtually no way to catch up unless everyone else turns off their skills and lets you.

thanks

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The fact that you think it matters at all what 'level' someone is in EVE is why you suck at EVE. SP are all but irrelevant in combat.

And before you respond with your (month?) of experience disputing that, I helped run a corp composed of refugees from another MMOG just coming into EVE about a year ago. A month after they all started they were kicking the hell out of everyone they saw, now theyre a top-shelf PvP corp - even though none of their members have more then a year's worth of skill training. Why could they do what you were incapable of? Theyre much, much better then you. Thats not a game design flaw.

Go back to some other MMOG where you can grind levels and then pwn mad nubz.

SWG was the source of the refugees I take it?

I uhm, reguarly kill people that have played almost 3 years, solo even. How? All my skill points are relavent to the ship I am in, not so true with theres.

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Originally posted by DemonknightI
First suggestion is completely rethink your skill system.  There's absolutely no way for a new player to compete with older players no matter how much in-game time he invests...the older players will always have the skill advantage.

Secondly, reduce unnecessary timesinkers.  Most of your time playing this game you'll notice you're just flying towards a jumpgate or a space station and it takes just too dame long.  Some of the missions will start you out 15 minutes away from the jumpgate to begin for absolutely no reason.  No reason at all...

Third, the missions are just horrible.  WoW is a complete carebear game, but at the very least the game had a lot more to do PvE then this game will ever dream of having. 

Fourth, start new players out with much much more money.  You don't start with crap so you get to run the same repatative newbie missions for chump change. 

If you're a newbie solo player, you're screwed completely.  You can't fight anyone cause they're going to have more skills and most likely more money hence better equipment and ship.  If you're lucky enough to know a few people or be in a corporation you'll probably just be known as another anklebiter.

Charging 15$ a month for this game is insulting and shameful.

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dude stop starting these useless threads if you dont liek the game DONT PLAY !!!  there no catch up in eve just brains.... shsshh

You so far i have played for around 4 months  , people talk about lvl lvl in fantasy game and when u compare to that to eve , the older has a little better edge thats all , but its just a small portion of the quation pwn that guy.

The main stuff about tkaing out older players , here's some basic: Use evey intel on that person .

1) Ship he flies

2) Bigger the ship its harder to hit smaller ships unless he's got drones.

3) Depnding upon the Type of race of ship he's flying try fitting Jammers (If he cant lock u , how the heck is he gona fire at u? )

4) The guy may be in a battleship , Big ships are low on agility makes them harder to move around , basically from the size , EVERY shot u give at it it will hit from a smaller ship . Ever heard of webifiers? use that , then see wat happens to his B.S , he wont be able to move at all , and if u jam him wat good is he having all the SP ? This game has soooo many parametes to DEAL out the final OUTCOME , that no person can master it no matter wat skill points u have. Think on the base's of reality , ur facing a guy with really good ship and if all this fails , use other support get some friends along to join in doesnt matter if they just started out. The modules fitted with cheap stuff will also.

We had once taken a out a Battleship a guy who had experince of 1.5 years , with just 5 of our corp mates  with 2 Cruseir and 3 tackilng T-1 frigs. , all of use where just  less than 2 months old that time.

The setup is the main thing that makes a differnce then using it is other thing to be looked at it. The timning of ur attack (Keep Baits /COnfuse him) all this matters.

The whole thing is based on tactics , not only in PVP , in PVE aswell , Trading and Mining

Whatever the OP says is Bull Crap. EVE now is exactly what the developers envisioned when they made the game. Key to success in EVE is SPECIALISATION.

One thing so called "veteran" players have over the new characters is that they can do MORE THINGS, fly MORE SHIPS. On the other hand, a new character has a chance to become good at something by specializing in a particular area. At any rate, he can become better than 50% of the Veterans in a particular aspect of the game.

EVE doesn’t have a "pawn all" and "uber/insta kill" weapons, it is a game that requires you to plan, meticulously at that. It is a game that requires you to think, and scheme, and manipulate. It also requires you to be older than 13, since there is no instant gratification, and there is a really good possibility that you might loose everything you worked for months in less than a minute. Real risk, ladies and gentlemen, EVE has it.


Anyway, the OP has no idea what he is blabbing about. I have quit EVE, usually due to the fact that I was starting to get too involved in the game, about 3 times. And, I always come back, because the bitch is so fraking addictive and complex.

No other MMO out there can rival EVE Online in its complexity and depth, sorry, I know I sound like a fan-boi, but that what it is. If something comes along that would rival EVE's complexity and nature of engrossing gameplay, be assured I will switch, until then - there is EVE and there are 'luke-warm' MMO's, that is it.

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Originally posted by Jinx_Barker
EVE doesn’t have a "pawn all" and "uber/insta kill"
weapons

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Of course it does. hehe.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837938715039497505

lol I was gonna say What about the titans "I win" button?

SP, and your ability to fly a single ship is just one part of the game.  People make a bigger deal out of it than it really is.

What goes into pvp is all of the following:
-Having a goal.
-Having allies that are active and are interested in what you are doing.
-Organization.
-Logistics.
-Procuring targets.
-Rising to the opposition.
-Raising an empire.
-Tearing another one down.

With lots of SP, and none of the latter, all you're going to do is lose ship after ship in standup way.  Some people like that though.  Those people are masochists.

The most important asset you have is YOU.  If you are cool, people will flock to you.  If you aren't, you can speak hours of rousing speeches, compose miles of fiction or screenwriting and no one will ever hear you.  You'll be a total nobody with 55M sp. 

If you are dependable, people will just use you.  If you are popular, you might find some people to help others to hate you.

Success EVE is a journey, not a destination.   If you want to subject other people to your will, you've got to have moxy for one thing, no really.. genuine driving ambition. 

If you really play EVE, the game, then, win or lose, you will really learn something about yourself.  It might not be a nice thing, but that's why EVE is the harshest game on the net.

What every gamer really wants deep down is that feeling of intensity.  You trade a big chunk of your life for a little LCD screen, and expect that it's gotta give back at some point.  All EVE players know that somewhere out there is that intense game just waiting.  All of them are convinced they are good enough, if they could only just find the right situation..  and there's the crux.  EVE doesn't put the situation on the market, it's just the box with the sand and the kitty litter. 

Let me explain the skill system in detail for you sir. To prove that your assertions of the EVE skill system regarding the inability of new players to catch up with vets is incorrect.

1. All skills end at lvl 5

2. The difference between lvl 4 and lvl 5 is usually at MOST 10%, but usually 2-5%.

3. Lvl 5 takes more time to train then lvl 1 to 4 combined.

4. Though there are some t2 items and capital ships that require lvl 5 prereqs, there are a number of t2 items that only require lvl 4 (I have heard that other prereqs may be lowered as well).

Of all these, you can argue that point 4 is the one you would have the biggest grievance with. But in reality, it's pretty miniscule as well. As others have said, the key to getting competitive quickly is SPECIALIZATION. All the vets get is the ability to spread out a bit in the ships they fly, and be able to dabble in other pursuits. But each racial ship line has it's advantages and can be quite effective.

Plus, as I have noted before, it only takes a day or two of training to be a useful part of a pvp fleet, and it only takes a little bit or no training to help in a mining op. EVE's gameplay is made so new players can be part of a group, and more things are added to add to the new players fun from what I hear. Plus, and I don't think this can be repeated in any other MMO, a swarm of new players in frigs can easily kill a vet in a larger ship.

If you have further grievances, please post your counter arguement, otherwise please move on.

Skillpoints in eve are important as what they do is let you use stuff such as ships and guns etc. But to compete with a palyer whatever his/her age depends on experience. Now next you will say that the older palyer will be better becaue he has more experience. Well thats true for any game but in eve its not as important.

 

To get experience i advise you get yourself a good cruiser such as the thorax or caracell and you go out there and find people to kill. Expect to lose a lot of ships but also expect to soon start killing more oponents than you lose ships as you learn what to fit how to react and how to know when to run.

 

Personally tho i think this is falling on death ears as you do seem to be the altest forum troll from a rival game.

oookej, when u where born, did ya start out with alot of cash?
leme guess nope?

if ya want a car, can a regular person buy the most expensive car out there?
most likely not, can he drive it? maybe. but he need practice.

same with eve.

ya need practice. aka skills to fly something more difficult.
and u start with low funds and you grow in cash and ships as you advance.

i began in a little frigate, then bhougt a mining ship. mined some veld.

now im close to my first carrier, got a few ravens, soon a hulk...

and still i started with no skills and only a frigate...

this game is to be enjoyed. not to be hasted thrue.

Solo PvP.
Eve is not a twitch game but relies on the players skill to fight an not the skillpoints. I can fly most non-capital ships in the game but I still prefer to use cruisers and Interceptors (Ships that you can use after 1 week and 2 months) I constantly get solo kills without EWAR (Except for Web and Scrambler).

I was killing ppl that used lots of Tech 2 equipment on their ships when I still had skills that you could reach in just a few weeks and I couldn't even use T2 light turrets. or armor repairs.

You can solo kill battleships in Cruisers too.

And the Oh, you're so lucky your in a corp *crap*. So far a corp has only given me ppl to chat with when I was bored or to help with mining. Very rarely I have flown in a ganksquad and never have I gotten money from a corpmember. I have taken a 1-2 day loan tho that I paid back as soon as I could.

Money. I almost never have more then 100 mil in cash to my name. I spend the money on new ships or invest in things that hopefully give me some amount of money when I need a boost. (I'm very skilled at losing uninsured ships)

Yes, you will have a hard time reaching my SP lvl. No, I'm not invincible to a 2 month old toon. (just harder since I have had alot more training in tactics and I know the game mechanics)

Weakness in Eve is usually shows the following symtoms: Scared to go in to low-sec. Gate sniping in low-sec. Whining on the forum.

To original poster:

 

I'm pretty new, but I can atleast gain a new skill to level 5 each week. It's just a matter of how much time you put into learningskills and how much you spend on implants.

Ofc, now it's even more easymode to get nice starting character, each character starts with almost a million skill points (which is far over a month of skill training in start) and pre req. for adv. learning skills are beeing downgraded from rank 5 to 4 on the primary ones.

There is no way new players can get to learn as many skills as the old players, however you will learn them faster than the old ones. And what I think most other games don't do, is to reward people for playing the game along time. Like, the people with most skill points now can fly more ships probably, but you only need maybe half a year to really become uber in one way (mining, pvp, missionrunning etc etc...).

However I agree that there should be some sort of implementation that could reward active playing of the game, in terms of a small skilltraining boost. For example 25% increased skill training for a day if you use alot of loyalty points with your agent.

 

There are warp to 0 km now out there. And before that you could use bookmarks. Timesinks are only for those who put their ship on autopilot. And jump gates can now be activated from a much longer distance. And tbh you must be really sucky or have bad skills if you can't fly 10 km pretty fast.

 

WoW is a PvE game, EVE is everything. I mean, I personally think that EVE missions is far more exiting than running around killing boars. And you have such a broad specter to chose from. Courier, mining, fighting, research and develop, etc etc... Yes you might not find uber bosses in EVE. But you can find pretty tough NPCs to fight. I'm not saying realistic, but atleast you don't fight yet another dragon. However I play both games, and I love EVE for maintaining an attractive game play, and not some "end game farm".

 

I think it's great that people start with low cash, and they have to work they way up. That is sure exiting. And I'm pretty sure that you can find a corp that will help you get along way. The market is 100% player based (except bp and skills) so if stuff are expensive, it's just because it's low supply/expensive to make or high demand.

 

I'm solo player, and aslong as I stay in empire i'm pretty safe. Ofc if there comes a suicidal person and shoots me down when i'm in a newbie ship just flying to  pick up some modules for my battleship then... well I die, probably because I use autopilot :) But I can asure you he will get a heavy penalty and probably have alot of troubles working his security status up again. Stay in secure space (>.5) and you'll be safe.

 

Now WoW will take about 4 months for people to get 70. That means you play pretty much. For average players say 6 hours a day (30 days to level maybe). Now in EVE you don't have to play so much to become uber. Skills are trained by time. So it's very casual player friendly. But if people goes hardcore there are better equipment to get. And you can sell those items you don't use, or reprocess for minerals. EVE is nice to casuals, but also rewards hard core play. I think however, as I said, there should be maybe a little bonus in SP training if you are an active player.

I like Eve and I agree with everyone above.

In my case, I don't mind that I'm starting a game 3-years behind the first people. I like the mature and developed galaxy of personalities. It makes it more interesting.

I'm playing Eve for the long-haul. In the decades to come, I wonder if people will view me as an all-powerful veteran?

Yeah the game is awesome and the nearly endless list of possibilities of EVE is overwhelming, that maybe the only reason to leave the game :P that you cant decide what to do.

The only thing wich should be more improved in the game is the graphic and gameplay options to make it players with slower mashines possible to enter areas with many players (ships).

But thats a problem of hardware and there are always to slow computers out there.

The game is the best online game i found so far...

..beside NWN of course but thats a complete different genre.