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EVE Online Editorial: What Dust 514 Means For Virtual Worlds
MMORPG.com Managing Editor Jon Wood makes use of this editorial to discuss CCP's recent announcement of Dust 51 and how that game, combined with EVE Online, has the potential to change the virtual world space.
By Jon Wood on August 19, 2009
Since yesterday's announcement that CCP would be launching Dust 514, a new First Person Shooter MMO for consoles, it seems as though nearly everyone has had an opportunity to weigh in, and not all of the user feedback has been positive.
The bulk of the opposition to Dust's announcement seems to be coming from two somewhat related issues:
The first issue is that, as we understand it right now, the new FPS will be available only on the current generation of consoles. This means that the PC, Mac and Linux audiences that have made EVE Online the success that it is today, will be left out in the cold (unless of course they are one of the many, like myself, who own both a PC and a console or two). The second is that Dust's players will actually be able to influence the EVE Online universe through alliances and 0.0 Soveignty meaning that those who are used to EVE players having sole control of their universe now have to share with another crowd.
It is obvious to see how this might ruffle a few feathers, especially given the occasional animosity felt between PC and console gamers and the pride and even protectiveness that EVE players tend to feel about their game.
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That being said, and with all due respect, Dust 514 represents a huge leap forward in terms of virtual world gaming and fans of that genre in general should be, at the very least, looking beyond the surface at what it represents.
The huge leap forward comes as players of two different games will have interaction with and be able to influence the world of the other because they are set in the same universe, at the same time. This takes the idea of persistent worlds as we know them and expands them into what might best be described as a persistent universe.
The best way to look at it is to say that while EVE Online is a game about Pod Pilots and their struggles for wealth, power and survival, Dust 514 is about Dust Soldiers and their struggles for... wealth, power and survival. The problem is that the game mechanics required to do both groups full justice require their own separate games.
Now, instead of simply leaving it at that, the CCP developers have chosen to allow the two games to interact and affect one another, creating the illusion of a more vast and complete universe. If EVE were "real life," how often do you think that Pod Pilots would generally interact with Dust Soldiers? Their lives would be almost entirely separate, the things that they do and the ways that they do them would be completely different. Save for the occasional alliance / business arrangement, facilitated in the EVE universe by the game's new social networking programs and perhaps membership in the same corporation, their worlds are different. Why shouldn't their games be?
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By giving players the opportunity to interact with the world of another game, the developers are able to greatly expand the scope of their virtual universe, suggesting life and aspirations beyond the cockpit.
If they're smart and they can figure out a way to pull it off, CCP should try to further leverage their often talked about seldom seen ambulation system (walking in stations) to allow players from both games to interact, conduct business, meet as corporations, etc. From there, who knows where the game goes?
As to the aforementioned rivalry between PC and console gamers, this too will feed into the virtual universe. That particular rivalry has always run a bit of a parallel to the way that different branches of the military view one another. While they're all fighting the same war, each division (Army, Air force, Marines, Navy, etc), maintains a certain animosity, whether real or imagined. Who else can picture a bit of a bar brawl between dusters and podders at some station orbiting a contested planet?
In any case, if Dust takes off and is successful, CCP has the potential to be the first company to shape the mould of the way the industry and the players that keep it running, look at virtual worlds.
I really hope and think Dust 514 will also be coming to PC.. its just going to be on console as well. Hopefully.
Eve bores me but I love the politics of it.. if i can play Dust 514 as a mmofps and be involved in eve politics as in eve corps sending dust mercs to conquer planets and things that will be amazing.
So i really am hoping this is the case, PC > console.
It really is an exciting time to be a Eve player and CCP supporter.
With the improvements to Eve, the developement of Dust 514 and World of Darkness the future seems bright.
I don;t know how Eve and Dust will interact with eachother but I'm sure it will be a fun experience.
I own both a PC and 360 so i'm sure ill be be taking part in all three games.
It means CCP are shafting their fanbase by not releasing it on PC.
I agree, this development has ramifications beyond just Eve Online. It could change the way MMOs see their entire development.
The oldest cliche in RPGs is starting out as a lowly worm and getting more powerful as one comletes quests and acquires items. And while this is all well and good (and something we aspire to in real life as well), it creates a problem with expansions and the future of any game. How can a company continue to ramp up the power level of players? What does that do to the previous content of a game?
In this case, instead of offering more power, there are new experiences and new ways to do old things. There is more depth and more diversity. This breathes more life into a universe and makes it much more interesting.
As for the apparent decision to release it only for consoles, I honestly can't say that I blame them. Bots and hacks are rife on PC shooters. And no, I don't own a console nor do I have any plans to ever buy one.
Finally, after all these years, MMORPGs are changing.
CCP is the new King of MMORPGs if they pull this off successfully. I think MMORPG would be an outdated term actually.
Great innovation, CCP. Proud to be a member of your community these last few years.
I agree. My first thought when I saw the Dust 514 announcement was that if this succeeds it will truly be something new. I'm certain other developers will watch closely and if successful it will be an option for them as well with future projects.
I'm really exited, even more so then over sw:tor actually. Good luck CCP, I hope this becomes a killer!
I don't really see it as EvE players getting the shaft if Dust is console only.
What I do see is a nice bridge being formed between console and PC players. FFXI did a good job with the Multi Platform model. EvE is taking it to a whole new level by turning 2 games into 1. PC players will be relying on console players and vice versa creating a bridge that never really existed before. Even with FFXI there was that division between console and PC even though there were in the same world. With EvE and Dust this has the potential to simply bridge the two together now that they are relying on each other. PC for the "Fly Boys" and Console are the "Infantry". Its almost beautiful what they are trying to do in a way lol.
This alone is could possibly be one of the greatest advances in MMO's to date. We will have to wait to see how it turns out, but man just imagine the kind of change that could come to the industry if this was successful. EQ and FFXI both proved an MMO is viable on console, so it is possible.
I mean imagine having a Star Wars MMO based on this model?
One game is for ships, fighter pilots etc. The other game is about the ground units. One fights for dominance in the space, while the other fights for dominance on the planets. You can even incoperate some neat things into that. Imagine your group waiting on another player to fly you to a planet to, or delivering Cargo for you. The player made content would pretty much be exponential with two completely seperate games working as one. The idea is brilliant!
If people can not see the true innovation and revolution this could bring about for MMO's they must be blind. This will change everything if they can deliver what they say they will, and for once we have the word of the only truely great indie MMO company saying it.
I have all the faith in the world in CCP, im not even an EvE player (Not yet anyways haha), I played for a month or so and then my PC crashed for a long time. I plan on getting EvE back when I get my comp returned this week, im going to work hard to make the game the best it can be, and my characters just so I can see the day DUST releases for myself.
-Jive
Yeah i agree, great idea and CCP is paving a way for totally new progression of MMO's.
One qualm though: FPS for CONSOLES ONLY????? WTF????!!!
Well, I for one hope more MMOs are developed for consoles. I prefer console gaming to PC gaming and its a shame we have very few for consoles (FFXI being one). I play PC games not because I like the platform, but because out of necessity. I feel the same way about Windows. I only use Windows because most of the games I enjoy don't have native Linux clients (sorry Wine supporters, it's a poor solution).
But then I ONLY use Windows for games (Linux is my main OS). I strip Windows to the bare bones and turn off most services so the Win partition is really a pseudo-console anyway. Just the way I like it.
For the life of me, I do not understand all the fanbois reaching for a kleenex over this. Even if it was brought to PC, it simply does not fit in with the Eve Universe and makes no sense.
Seriously, consider Eve for a moment - just how do you see any sort of FPS fitting into it?
Clones?
Ability to move troops to a planet?
Ability to reinforce those troops?
Etc, etc, etc?
Who cares if it is for console or PC/Mac/Linux; if the simple concept of it makes no sense for the game universe itself?
In regards to console MMOs, sure - just drop the crappy controllers and add in a mouse and keyboard.
I'm sorry but you're not making sense to me how does it not fit?
clones? ever hear of respawning?
ability to move troops to a planet? enough ships in eve i think
ability to reinforce troops? what?
and what else?
I'm just not grasping your point.
oh and do I think it fits the background? sure it does.
I'm sorry but you're not making sense to me how does it not fit?
clones? ever hear of respawning?
ability to move troops to a planet? enough ships in eve i think
ability to reinforce troops? what?
and what else?
I'm just not grasping your point
The Eve Universe is based on purchasing medical clones, which are located in certain stations or certain ships. If you get podded 40 jumps from your clone, guess what? So how will a "respawn" happen in the FPS? Will they completely ignore clones? Will it be a case of saying that a "clone bay" of some sort is part of the drop on the planet to facilitate "respawn"...?
Enough ships, eh? So will it be a case that before any FPS action can take place on a planet, that sufficient forces in space will have to run the gate camps - get to the planet - be able to hold an orbit there while fighting the enemy - so that troops can be deployed?
I mean, all of this is pretty freaking obvious as an issue.
Imagine, there you are - you have SOV - your gates are camped 24/7 - not even a spec of dust moves without you knowing it - and then suddenly, you are fighting on one of your planets? Um yeah...
You know another MMO this model might have been good for. SGW oO, Do it as an RvR style thing. Have PC players the space combat being able to pick Ghoul'd or Asgard, then Concole players are the planet forces and could be Jaffa or Human. Idea would have to be fleshed out a great deal, but man that would have been neat. Maybe MGM should pull the liscence and give it to CCP if they do well with Dust lol.
You didn't watch the little movie did you? The whole point of Dust is that there's been a major advancement in cloning technology allowing cloning outside of the pod-pilots. One would assume that in NPC space you respawn on the station just like everyone else and jump to planet from there. They mentioned specific (and undisclosed mechanics) for nul-sec so we've got to guess at something like a dropship with a clone bay on it. Likely something far less than Titan or Mothership class but then again you can cram a whole lot of dust clones into the space a single Pod takes up.
Watch the video. You get a whole lot of info from it.
You didn't watch the little movie did you? The whole point of Dust is that there's been a major advancement in cloning technology allowing cloning outside of the pod-pilots. One would assume that in NPC space you respawn on the station just like everyone else and jump to planet from there. They mentioned specific (and undisclosed mechanics) for nul-sec so we've got to guess at something like a dropship with a clone bay on it. Likely something far less than Titan or Mothership class but then again you can cram a whole lot of dust clones into the space a single Pod takes up.
Watch the video. You get a whole lot of info from it.
Do you mean the short Golem clip or are you referring to another one? Because there is nothing in the Golem clip.
Reading different articles on other sites, there are only vague references to restructuring sov.
I have not seen anything about where any of this would take place in NPC space.
It has been about combining corps in space with mercenary troops on the ground; with nothing said about how those troops get there and stay there.
It is simply brilliant.
This will bring a whole new group of people to eve through the vehicle of consoles.
How they establish the link will be very interesting, and will be ground breaking stuff for MMOs
Best of luck CCP
This announcement really has peaked my interest in this game. Tried the trial before and just couldn't get into it but will now seriously give it another go.
lol I am doing that too. Tried EvE before, wasn't my thing and gave up. After this though want to seriously try one more time to get into it.
This is a fantastic devellopment for MMOs as a whole if it can be pulled off.
I do see that careful implementaion must be taken and special attention must be paid to how they work out soveirnty.
If due dillagence is obeserved this can only help EVE become a living breathing universe instaed of the near static world all MMOs suffer from.
I can imagine tie ins to atmospheric flight.
My main complaint with all MMOs is the world never changes. With this wars can be fought and territory will changes hands and it wont be becuase a POD Pilot corporation made it so. It will add elements of uncertanty and challenge.
Corps cant just assume that only their actions change the universe. Now things will change and more than just pod pilots can change the direction of the universe.
lol I am doing that too. Tried EvE before, wasn't my thing and gave up. After this though want to seriously try one more time to get into it.
As a 3- year eve player I wish you all the luck in the world. All you have to do is bear in mind that it's a game of long term goals, that its up to you to set your goals, and that "massively multiplayer" is not just a catch phrase this time.
As far as Dust goes, I think it's an bold, innovative - and ultimately necessary - move on CCP's part. My only reservation is that I dont really want to spend £200-300 on a console to take part. I fervently hope that there is eventually a PC port - perhaps as an inclusion to the EvE client.
I wonder how it will work though. Will the console people random join matches? Will they be sub-guilds to the Eve main guild? Will the console guilds gain notoriety as being skilled, thus getting hired more? Too many questions. LOTS of potential though.
Tbh., i actually think that most "mmos" don't deserve to be called "mmorpgs".
They're usually sharded into small fragments and not so massive, and their "rp" is laughable at best.
The term just isn't outdated - it's over used.
While I completely agree that this is a great jump forward for the concept of MMO gaming, and CCP kicks ass, I just can't get behind the console-only decision. I know a lot of people like playing FPS games on the consoles, mostly because they don't know any other way, but I HATE it having been involved in PC FPS gaming since Doom and Quake. The controllers are pure crap, sloppy, spammy and slow. Believe it or not, I am not a huge fan of sitting in my living room and playing games on the sofa. I prefer to be at my desk in my office running multiple applications or boxes while I am gaming. I just don't give a shit about my Xbox 360. It's something my kid plays with. I know, I'm in the minority these days.
Anyway, I know this will please a lot of people, but I can understand where the players of EVE might not like this decision, even if it is a technological wonder and pushes the genre forward in a new direction. Generally speaking, EVE players are hardcore about their game, and they are true MMO players, and so probably hardcore PC game players as well. Here you have a group of people who love CCP and EVE and they are told there is a new EVE game, an expansion of sorts, sharing their game servers/universe but they will have to switch platforms to enjoy it. It might make good business sense, but in the case of EVE, CCP has always been about their players more than the business. At least that's what they have led everyone to believe.
I suppose Dust is likely to be your typical dumbed down console shooter, so I doubt it would do well on the PC anyway.
I just remebered the video they showed a coulpe of fanfests ago with atmospheric flight.
I wonder...
also the game could be less far of than we think considering that they've been working on it for over 3 years
I am stil thuroughly hosed that they said that first we would have Ambulation, then maybe ship internals, then atmospheric flight leading to landing on planets and having an expirience typical to most MMOs.... now they stab us in the back, change the gameplay and then give it to consolers.
I feel like I was just shived by the guy who you just spent 4 years watching out for each other, then to have him ask you "isn't that GREAT!?!?"
I don' blame you guys for being mad. People have invested a lot of time into EVE based on the promises of where the game would go. CCP should at least do a press release about the future of ambulation, and whether or not their long term goals have changed for EVE.
I do. I do because there is no reason going mad.
People are freaking out about Dust affecting EVE when sole planetary control is not even implemented yet and we will not hear more news about it sooner than sometime next year. And that are still news only which does not mean it will be released in the same year nor it means Dust will be released along with planetary control.
We can easily be talking about 2 years future from now. Ground combat does not look much closer to release than it was at Fanfest 2008 where it was shown for the first time.
So what is the rage about? It's absurd.
I don' blame you guys for being mad. People have invested a lot of time into EVE based on the promises of where the game would go. CCP should at least do a press release about the future of ambulation, and whether or not their long term goals have changed for EVE.
Sounds like CCP, after getting a nice dose of fame, is now wanting more. They'll get it -- at the expense of their fan base. It's the way of things in the MMO development world. After a certain number of subs, customers suddenly become expendable.
Sounds like CCP, after getting a nice dose of fame, is now wanting more. They'll get it -- at the expense of their fan base. It's the way of things in the MMO development world. After a certain number of subs, customers suddenly become expendable.
What I am seeing is how quickly people will turn on you. CCP has given all of there expansions to there EvE players for free, Which is far from commen practice in the industry. Now they are attempting to make a bit more profit and add a new element to the game as well as more players and suddenly there evil greed mongers that are stabbing there player base in the back. It's truly mind boggling lol.
How horrible CCP is and how greedy, giving the expansions out for free when players are known for gladly paying for them. Utter example of greed right there. And how dare they neglect the EvE community by trying to add some new and inovative elements to there universe while at the same time bringing new players to it. (This portion was a work of sarcasm!)
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Just imagine
Dust 514 is launched. The FPS console players start battling it out on planets but can't fly a ship in space.
The Pod Pilots are battling it out in space but can't land on a planet.
BUT
Space station. At the same time as Dust 514 launches CCP launches Walking in stations. Now pod pilots can get out of their ships and walk around. At the same time the Dust players can take a short NPC controlled ship up to the space station and walk around.
You now have hardcore PC gamers from one game and Hardcore console gamers from another game mixing in the same space at the same time working towards the same goals.
This could be HUGE to the industry. Maybe we find out that the world of Darkness MMO isn't what we think and its actually going to be an MMO set in the EVE universe but not part of EVE. Once again the players from the new MMO can't fly ships and they can't play FPS but they can all meet up on space stations and can all help each other.
The potential for this is HUGE people. Its game changing.
Not from my perspective. They are not taking anything away from their current player base. Eve is about space combat, and the interactions that flow from that. Dust is about ground combat, and the interactions that flow from that. Both are available to anyone who owns the necessary hardware. Consoles are cheap. Hell, a top range video card for a PC costs more than a console these days. Not to mention they may eventually port it over to the PC. It will be interesting to see how they tie the two games together.
Sounds like CCP, after getting a nice dose of fame, is now wanting more. They'll get it -- at the expense of their fan base. It's the way of things in the MMO development world. After a certain number of subs, customers suddenly become expendable.
What I am seeing is how quickly people will turn on you. CCP has given all of there expansions to there EvE players for free, Which is far from commen practice in the industry. Now they are attempting to make a bit more profit and add a new element to the game as well as more players and suddenly there evil greed mongers that are stabbing there player base in the back. It's truly mind boggling lol.
How horrible CCP is and how greedy, giving the expansions out for free when players are known for gladly paying for them. Utter example of greed right there. And how dare they neglect the EvE community by trying to add some new and inovative elements to there universe while at the same time bringing new players to it. (This portion was a work of sarcasm!)
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The main reason CCP gave away expansions was to keep/gain more players in a niche MMO. It was a successful strategy. I wouldn't go on fooling yourself thinking that they did it out of the kindness of their hearts. They are a cool company, but get real.
I can tell you if you mention pay to play to the console players they will throw a fit.
There are plenty of FPS such as Halo, Gears etc that don't need an additional subscription to play online and this seems to be a rehash of Star Wars battlefront with an extra sub attached.
I'll be surprised if it goes anywhere, personally. It seems like huge risk to take on a franchise that is little known outside of hardcore MMO world. Most WoW players haven't even heard of EVE, let alone console shooter players who mainly care about instant gratification in fast paced games; achievement junkies. Dust will have to stand on its own as an awesome console shooter game because I doubt most console players will care about the tie in back to EVE, assuming they even understand it in the first place.
I get the technology part of this. It's a great idea and it really can shake things up in gaming in the future. Whether or not this particular execution of the new technology will go anywhere remains to be seen.
You're Right, dude. It's CCP's fault that PC elitests' are either too cheap or too stuck up to buy a console.
Any shafting going on here is strickly of a self-service variety.
You're Right, dude. It's CCP's fault that PC elitests' are either too cheap or too stuck up to buy a console.
Any shafting going on here is strickly of a self-service variety.
I'm trying to see the logic in your reply, but it's completely escaping me. I wonder why?
I'm trying to see the logic in your reply, but it's completely escaping me. I wonder why?
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
I'm trying to see the logic in your reply, but it's completely escaping me. I wonder why?
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
Well, not being a "PC gawd" I can't comment on that aspect
But I've yet to see a FPS that plays as well on a console, as one does on a PC(with mouse and keyboard). It could be old ingrained reflexes(I've been playing FPS's for a LONG time), but console FPS's always seem stiff and limited in options to me.
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
Well, not being a "PC gawd" I can't comment on that aspect
But I've yet to see a FPS that plays as well on a console, as one does on a PC(with mouse and keyboard). It could be old ingrained reflexes(I've been playing FPS's for a LONG time), but console FPS's always seem stiff and limited in options to me.
haha yeah "pc gawd" maybe not the right choice of leet words.
Personally I think they're just two different styles and I think you can find good game selections on both. Which is another reason why they're probably keeping it only on consoles. I'd imagine it would be hard to fairly play against a PC player if you were using a controller on a console (I haven't played EVE but doesn't it only have one server? This would further explain putting it exclusively on consoles as they would only have one server/version and obviously the better choice for them was console exclusive). haha in the end though I prefer TPS over FPS so I guess I'm being shafted by CCP too ;-)
I'm trying to see the logic in your reply, but it's completely escaping me. I wonder why?
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
You seem to have some strange, deep seated issues regarding PC vs. Console gaming. I don't like FPS games on my 360. It's a matter of opinion, and preference. It's ok to be tolerant of other people's opposing opinions. You don't have to take it personally that I like something different than you. It's quite normal, I assure you, and there is nothing elitist about it. Based on your own logic, I could say you are a console elitist. See the flaw now? No?
I think this is a major risk by CCP, because most console gamers have no clue what EVE is. In fact, I would bet most MMO gamers (thinking about WoW here) don't have the slightest clue EVE exists. Console gamers are going to look for a fast paced, instant gratification shooter with achievements to unlock. They aren't likely to care much about what is going on in EVE. That means this game better simply stand on its own as an awesome shooter. Unless it utterly rocks, it will just be a bargain bin title that CCP will end up having to support online for only a few players.
Again, my opinion.
I'm glad they are developing the technology. Perhaps it will lead to something more interesting later on down the road. I just don't know if loosely combining two different games on two different platforms is going to create anything meaningful.
Here is a question. Taking this technology to the next level as some people have mentioned here, are there any EVE players who really want to hang out with console FPS kids on a space station? I really don't see the two communities meshing well.
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
Well, not being a "PC gawd" I can't comment on that aspect
But I've yet to see a FPS that plays as well on a console, as one does on a PC(with mouse and keyboard). It could be old ingrained reflexes(I've been playing FPS's for a LONG time), but console FPS's always seem stiff and limited in options to me.
Yeah, console fps's feels kind of cheap and boring when playing them to me.
Actually this has been tried before with a land, air, and sea warfare game before. The games didnt last long and was unplayable within a few weeks after launch. Does anybody remember the name of them games?
Heh, very true. I always love how many gamers think these companies build games with some altruistic motive, like "we just want gamers to have fun!" They don't give a flying fuck about anything except your checkbook.
That's like saying, "Microsoft built Office because they wanted you to be more productive".
Sure, ok. When you get home tonight, say hello to the unicorns living in your backyard for me.
Heh, very true. I always love how many gamers think these companies build games with some altruistic motive, like "we just want gamers to have fun!" They don't give a flying fuck about anything except your checkbook.
That's like saying, "Microsoft built Office because they wanted you to be more productive".
Sure, ok. When you get home tonight, say hello to the unicorns living in your backyard for me.
lol I am saying they could have gone the route just about every other MMO has gone and squeezed every dime out they could. There are plenty of money grubing companies that squeezed every penny they could get from there player base look at DnL, Mourning, DarkFall changed there 1 char per server to 1 char per account after NA players bought the client so that they would have to rebuy the client lol. There are a number of examples of what a money grubbing company can sink to. CCP on the other hand made there expansions free and decided instead of going after more money from existing subs they would create new subs in a very inovative way.
So no, I don't think they are being altruistic. But I do believe your comment that I replied to was uncalled forward considering the types of Devs we have lurking out in the industry compaired to what CCP is doing.
But hey, to each there own.
Not from my perspective. They are not taking anything away from their current player base. Eve is about space combat, and the interactions that flow from that. Dust is about ground combat, and the interactions that flow from that. Both are available to anyone who owns the necessary hardware. Consoles are cheap. Hell, a top range video card for a PC costs more than a console these days. Not to mention they may eventually port it over to the PC. It will be interesting to see how they tie the two games together.
My PC cost me £500 to build and it maxes out everything.
I'm trying to see the logic in your reply, but it's completely escaping me. I wonder why?
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
I want to play my FPS on the superior PC platform.
I'll play my Wii Sports games when I'm drunk with friends but the PC is the home of the FPS and the console sucks for FPS.
CCP shows it's brilliance.
I am in awe of this idea, I can not wait to take part in this game and help shape the eve universe in a planet side battle.
THANK YOU CCP!!!!!
Keep the innovation coming.
Maybe because you're so far above it? I mean, that could be why it's escaping you...I mean you are a PC gawd (see elitist). Bottom line: Just because you think people are beneath you for playing on consoles and that console FPS are "dumbed down" doesn't mean that you're right. Because that's your opinion oh mighty one. You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
Back on topic. I think this is a great idea. Very creative and very innovative I think. Hopefully other companies will follow suit if this is successful. The great thing about this is this could be expanded upon almost infinitely (at least to the point where technology doesn't allow it or you run out of ideas). They could continue to add game genres within the same world and have them all effect each other and be persistent. Can't wait to hear more news about this!
I want to play my FPS on the superior PC platform.
I'll play my Wii Sports games when I'm drunk with friends but the PC is the home of the FPS and the console sucks for FPS.
Meh personally I preffer FPS's on console when it's a multiplayer thing simply becuase you get less cheaters. When it's competetive play FPS against other players console all the way for me, when it's single player then PC it is.
I have no intention to buy a console for the forseable future. I guess I'll be left out from this innovation.
Thats just the nature of such things(shrug). It may eventually end up on the PC, who knows? But as for consoles being more "secure" thats only relative. There are already rumors of people cheating on XBox live games. It just takes a different type of knowledge and experience to hack consoles.
I'm guessing u never heard of SWG.
I'm guessing u never heard of SWG.
Yes, lol. That isn't the same as having two seperate games working together as one. Secondly I try not to remember it since the SWG that was no longer is and what is there instead is not something I enjoy.
Been tried already in some Microsoft game (the name escapes me at the moment) but the consoles could not keep up with the PC in game control. Keyboard/Mouse > Gamepad
K ,I remember now the game was Shadowrun.
Thats just the nature of such things(shrug). It may eventually end up on the PC, who knows? But as for consoles being more "secure" thats only relative. There are already rumors of people cheating on XBox live games. It just takes a different type of knowledge and experience to hack consoles.
Yeah, it's a bit harder though. I mean most of the cheats used in PC games are nothing more than a simple download. And there are far more cheats readily available for online PC games than there are online Console games. Aimbots suck in a competetive setting and are a dime a dozen for the PC. Harder with consoles. But yeah with consoles becoming more like PC's I can see it getting easier and easier to cheat on them as well.
Been tried already in some Microsoft game (the name escapes me at the moment) but the consoles could not keep up with the PC in game control. Keyboard/Mouse > Gamepad
K ,I remember now the game was Shadowrun.
If I am not mistaken, PC and Console players played against each other in the same world.
The innovation from Dust is that console players will be playing against console players while PC players would be playing against PC players negating any perceivable advantage of one system vs. the other yet still allowing the two to work together and against each other at the same time.
If I am not mistaken, PC and Console players played against each other in the same world.
The innovation from Dust is that console players will be playing against console players while PC players would be playing against PC players negating any perceivable advantage of one system vs. the other yet still allowing the two to work together and against each other at the same time.
Yep, it sounds freakin' awesome.
WOW....great idea. This is the kind of experimentation that is truly needed in online gaming . I can't wait to see how World of Darkness pans out...and if similar implementation will be used.
Unfortunately, it could lead one to believe that WoD will suffer the console taint that CO and STO have.
Think about the hardware though, in regards to consoles.
X-Box: 2001, X-Box 360: 2005
PS: 1994, PS2: 2000, PS3: 2006
Think about how far graphic cards have come since 2005 and 2006. The thing with PC games is that even if you do not have the latest video card, you can still play many of the games. As the newer cards come out, the older cards get cheaper. You can keep up with technology. This allows developers to further explore new technologies.
We are about due for the next set of consoles, eh? Then another 4-5 years, eh?
At the time of the X-Box 360/PS3, we had ATI X800-ATI X1900 and nVidia GF6xxx/GF7xxx. ATI has gone through R600/R700 since then and R800s are coming out. nVidia has gone through GF8xxx/GF9xxx/GTX1xx/GTX2xx and GTX3xx are on the way.
Why on earth would you want a MMORPG tied to console technology?
In some strange way the whole "PC is better than consoles" mentality is actually feeding into the RP value of this whole thing, as I can imagine that half-god, mightier then thou pod-pilots would feel the same way about the dust grunts :D
anyway I think it's brilliant and I really hope CCP does it the right way. There is way too little info for bitching out there, and I guess we will learn more about Dust, Sov changes, Ambulation and all the rest on the next fan fest, where as always CCP shells out the most solid info.
I think all of us should be happy that at least somebody in this cobweb marsh-stale genre, someone is trying to bring some decent steps forward.
If it doesn't come to pc and it takes off, I'd quit eve for good. And I'd try to get as many people off eve as possible too. This is too much. I hate consoles and now they are making one part of eve console based. I've been waiting a LOOONNNGG time for eve to feature planetside conflict and exploration, and I'm utterly infuriated that when my dreams finally did come true, its NOT going to be for me. My pod pilot can't cruise planetside and take part in this.
I can assure this is not just me rattling off without thinking, I've thought about this long and hard. Just my 0.02, I spoke to some people not all agree with me, but many t would like it on pc too. Can't they do what GTA did? PC and Xbox?
I personally despise console gamers. PC gaming FTW!!! But if you have BOTH a console and a PC, ur fine. No, ur not half a looser, its completely all right. However, console gamers are retards, wii are double retards.
WHY so harsh? Think about it. For the price of an xbox, you can soup up your old comp. Or replace it entirely. You're gona have to biy a comp anyway. But besides the price diff, if you play xbox only, you're probably an antisocial in terms of gaming considering mmo just doesnt happen on xbox... not yet.
May I have your stuff?
And your friend's too!!
Eve bores me to death, it is too slow to me and have too small player skill factor. Dust 514 would be interesting alternative for me, especially in times when many other MMOFPS games are going to flood the market. However lack of PC version is in my opinion huge mistake, not all of us see a point in buying a console.
I am sorry... I feel that CCP has made a serious customer relations mistake here by not including their desktop players in this new expansion, especially if there is going to be interaction between the main game and the expansion. If there was no interaction between the two, then I would not have an issue here. This interaction would be a great selling point if one playing the main game also had access to the expansion without having to buy a whole new gaming platform. But with this interaction and not having a common platform that both parts of the game could be played on... that to me is a really big issue.
CCP has always come across as one of, if not the most, user friendly gaming companies out there. I have respected them as such and have said so many times on various forums. However, I feel this restricting Dust to a gaming platform completely different from than that of the main game is a big step backwards in this regards, and an insult to the current player base that has supported this game over the years. From a purely business perspective, perhaps this is not a bad move, and I can understand reasons for doing this... especially in trying to expand CCP's customer base. However, I put this move on the same level as when SWG made their major design change years back and saw a good portion of their player base walk away... including myself. Even though EvE Online will not loose much in the way of its player base in this business decision as SWG did, and I am sure CCP is counting on that (perhaps a little too confident and arrogant, but we shall see), I cannot help but think that this is going to leave a sour feeling in many of the EvE Online players.
The problem now is that CCP has made the decision and thus cannot change their course now. So we, as dedicated players, are either forced to buy a gaming platform we may not want to buy or be left out of a portion of the game. All I can say is 'thank you CCP!'... as also a PC FPS player, I will remember this. Unfortunately it is human nature that one can do a hundred things right, but people will only remember the one big thing one did wrong... and this is CCP's one big thing wrong for me.
They said definitely no PC version?
It's an EVE expansion now?
They said definitely no PC version?
It's an EVE expansion now?
We only know what CCP said, which is :
Currently only working on a Console version
It will influence and interact with EVE Online, there is no real definition for this, but I look it as an expansion of the gameworld yes.
CCP always lead us to believe that one day we would get such an expansion, but inside the current game, not on consoles ...
Yes, in one interview, CCP said that it would be for the console only.
Because the new design concept will allow players from the main EvE Online game to hire players (called Marines) from the console game to conquer planets in the main EvE Universe, and that the outcome of those planet battles would be reflected in the conquests of the main game's solar systems... then I believe one would be able to call Dust an EvE Online expansion.
Yes, in one interview, CCP said that it would be for the console only.
Because the new design concept will allow players from the main EvE Online game to hire players (called Marines) from the console game to conquer planets in the main EvE Universe, and that the outcome of those planet battles would be reflected in the conquests of the main game's solar systems... then I believe one would be able to call the Dust an EvE Online expansion.
Hilmar actually did not say that there won't be a PC version. When asked about whether there will be one, he said that he can't comment on it right now. This probably means that there's a time-exclusive deal for the consoles, and there *will* be a PC version later on.
Look, I can of course see the beauty of all this. They are trying to innovate and they are trying to get more subs/cash. I really don't have a problem with that.
But I really think they went at it the wrong way.
1st of all, WIS is still not released nor do we have a release date, alot of current EVE players are / were waiting for that.
CCP also told us before that they would like to expand the game beyond the current space sim. They also told their plans, things like atmospheric flight, planetary interaction, RTS, mabye even a groundgame.
So alot of EVE players were looking forward to this end all be all Sci-Fi experience, adn patient as we are, we could wait years for that.
Then all of a sudden they tell us they have a FPS ground game, but it is not inside the current game, it is on consoles only, still it ties in with our current game and influences it ...
WIS still not released.
If they would have told us thay have a new game that integrates with EVE Online and consists of WIS + DUST and that you can play WIS and DUST also on consoles, then it would have been a completely different story.
By doing this, CCP begged for controversy, and alot of players that like, but even more that dislike it. It is like the poster above me, CCP has a very good track record, but now they made their 1st major mistake, if only because of bad PR.
"Now, instead of simply leaving it at that, the CCP developers have chosen to allow the two games to interact and affect one another, creating the illusion of a more vast and complete universe. If EVE were "real life," how often do you think that Pod Pilots would generally interact with Dust Soldiers? Their lives would be almost entirely separate, the things that they do and the ways that they do them would be completely different. Save for the occasional alliance / business arrangement, facilitated in the EVE universe by the game's new social networking programs and perhaps membership in the same corporation, their worlds are different. Why shouldn't their games be?"
I think that's a very sharp insight. It didn't occur to me but it makes a crazy amount of sense. However a seperate application available for the PC might well have the same effect but I definitely like the idea of a seperate product marketed to a different playerbase.
Way to fuck your existing player base CCP. I am a PC gamer not a console gamer and now if I want to play this game to it's full potential I have to go spend cash on a crap console? Screw that. I did not spend $6000 on machine just to turn around and spend more on a crap console.
It's like any game putting out an expansion and only allowing half of the player base to play. I have always loved CCP for what they have done with EVE but now I have lost full respect. Who payed for the devopment of that new game CCP? It's easy, we have because you guys were a bunch of no name gamers before we made you what you are. GG CCP, GG.
/rant
Thats interesting, but I don't see the insult involved. This ISN'T an expansion of Eve. Its a completely different game, that will have some second hand influence on it. We will have to see how it works out. I'm happy for them being able to expand their player base beyond the typical Eve demographic. I doubt most Eve players would have any real interest in a MMOFPS.
Picking a console for this new game wouldn't have been my choice(console FPS's in my experience are stiff, and not nearly as responsive as mouse and keyboard PC FPS's). But perhaps they are looking at different factors? I do know that the Asian suits have a phobia about PC games without some nonsense like GameGuard(one of the most intrusive and poorly coded apps I've seen for quite some time) embedded in their code base. Perhaps since consoles are relatively more "secure" that influenced their decision?
It has yet to be announced if consoles will remain the only platform that Dust 514 will run on. Perhaps they will go to PC later? In any event, consoles aren't that expensive these days. If you really want to play, perhaps you should pick one up? You would then have access to all of the nice console games for that platform as well.
I personally despise console gamers. PC gaming FTW!!! But if you have BOTH a console and a PC, ur fine. No, ur not half a looser, its completely all right. However, console gamers are retards, wii are double retards.
WHY so harsh? Think about it. For the price of an xbox, you can soup up your old comp. Or replace it entirely. You're gona have to biy a comp anyway. But besides the price diff, if you play xbox only, you're probably an antisocial in terms of gaming considering mmo just doesnt happen on xbox... not yet.
FFXI was on Xbox and it was an MMO that ran for 5-6 years and it's still going. There actually making a new FF MMO due to the success of the first. Of course it was on PC, PS2 and Xbox360. Don't worry a lot of PC players have little knowledge of what consoles are capable of now days. Did you know that you can even use a keyboard and mouse with consoles now?
yeah that divide is pretty slim now days lol. Consoles generally experience less lag, less cheats, and less D/C's than PC's in many games now days.
I'd think PC gamers would see this as an endorsement of their elite status. We're not Dirt Soldiers, we're Pod Pilots. Let them suck gravity and hardship while we cruise around, eternally, in our cozy womblike podships far removed from the grit and grime and blood and sweat. We're the aces. They're just grunts, dogfaces, cannonfodder.*
*I say this as someone who may well pick up Dirt 514 and check it out on his beloved PS3. I also say this as a PC gamer, and Eve Online vet, who's a bit wary of the online console community. The difference between the kinds of chatter you run across in many PC MMOs and in online console games can be huge. Keeping us at arms length from each other, and given our preexisting biases/temperments, might well play even more strongly into creating a believeable universe. Look at any rivalry between service branches and you see something like this.
Thats interesting, but I don't see the insult involved. This ISN'T an expansion of Eve. Its a completely different game, that will have some second hand influence on it. We will have to see how it works out. I'm happy for them being able to expand their player base beyond the typical Eve demographic. I doubt most Eve players would have any real interest in a MMOFPS.
Picking a console for this new game wouldn't have been my choice(console FPS's in my experience are stiff, and not nearly as responsive as mouse and keyboard PC FPS's). But perhaps they are looking at different factors? I do know that the Asian suits have a phobia about PC games without some nonsense like GameGuard(one of the most intrusive and poorly coded apps I've seen for quite some time) embedded in their code base. Perhaps since consoles are relatively more "secure" that influenced their decision?
It has yet to be announced if consoles will remain the only platform that Dust 514 will run on. Perhaps they will go to PC later? In any event, consoles aren't that expensive these days. If you really want to play, perhaps you should pick one up? You would then have access to all of the nice console games for that platform as well.
That seems to be where the communication break down is. EvE players are treating this like an EvE expansion when it's nothing like that. It's a completely seperate game with seperate mechanics that will interact with EvE in a limited way. It's funny really lol. These very people are accussing CCP of getting greedy and stabbing there player base in the back then shouting "Give it to me Free on PC or I quit!" .
This really does represent a step into the next frontier for MMOs.
Right now everyone in the virtual world is playing it more or less the same way. We all have the same mechanics and all have the same set of roles. What this does is open the world to take another portion of the game that's been automated and add in a new type of gameplay.
This could be big, or it could flop.
"4players.de has talked to Petursson after the show, asking why there will be no PC-Version. Petursson smiled and stated, that he cannot comment on it right now. The only thing he can say at the moment is that there will be a console version."
It seems pretty obvious to me that the announcement of this game is also an announcement of the long-awaited station ambulation feature in EVE. Why would I believe that? It's in the name; specifically the 514 . Seems plausible to me that it's even more of a win / win for folks potentially.
Unfortunately, it could lead one to believe that WoD will suffer the console taint that CO and STO have.
Think about the hardware though, in regards to consoles.
X-Box: 2001, X-Box 360: 2005
PS: 1994, PS2: 2000, PS3: 2006
Think about how far graphic cards have come since 2005 and 2006. The thing with PC games is that even if you do not have the latest video card, you can still play many of the games. As the newer cards come out, the older cards get cheaper. You can keep up with technology. This allows developers to further explore new technologies.
We are about due for the next set of consoles, eh? Then another 4-5 years, eh?
At the time of the X-Box 360/PS3, we had ATI X800-ATI X1900 and nVidia GF6xxx/GF7xxx. ATI has gone through R600/R700 since then and R800s are coming out. nVidia has gone through GF8xxx/GF9xxx/GTX1xx/GTX2xx and GTX3xx are on the way.
Why on earth would you want a MMORPG tied to console technology?
I definitely understand your point....and although I primarily play on PC...It would be nice to hop on a shared world via ps3 or 360 for a change. That is the innovation I appreciate...the shared and malleable universe. Whether it will work is a different story. It also appeals to me that I can play an mmo I like on the console for several years...and not have to upgrade my gpu( and possibly cpu+) 2-3 times despite whether I can afford it or not...... I will always have a PC..and likely use it to game....but more options are always better. Also...the 2 separate game/platforms ..playing differently but of the same universe is a much better idea than multi-platforming the same game. When you multi platform the same game across platforms...e.g. 360...ps3..wii...pc...it always seems they cater to the lowest denominator..and graphics suffer of course. I don't want a ps3 game to look slightly better than it's wii counterpart...it should blow it away. We all know that is not always the case.
That seems to be where the communication break down is. EvE players are treating this like an EvE expansion when it's nothing like that. It's a completely seperate game with seperate mechanics that will interact with EvE in a limited way. It's funny really lol.
Seperate game with seperate mechanics ? and having impact on eve ?
Eve is a PVP game and 0.0 sovereignity is core/ driving force (from wars to economy ,basicly everything) anyone else effecting sovereignty than eve players unacceptable (this is why eve players treating it an expansion with your words ). Why eve players have to depend Dust players to attack a region /defend their territory?
Seperate game with seperate mechanics ? and having impact on eve ?
Eve is a PVP game and 0.0 sovereignity is core/ driving force (from wars to economy ,basicly everything) anyone else effecting sovereignty than eve players unacceptable (this is why eve players treating it an expansion with your words ). Why eve players have to depend Dust players to attack a region /defend their territory?
I'd say that depends on how it works out. We have VERY limited information on how this will impact Sov yet.
I will wait and see exactly what they are doing before I scream doom and gloom.
It's a very very cool development for the MMO genre as a whole, but potentially a disastrously bad one for EVE in particular. It will depend on the mechanics and details of how it impacts SOV.
Something I see as a very serious possible problem is that it will totally overturn the status quo/balance of power in nullsec. Ever power bloc will have to scramble to find new allies among the dirtpounders or suffer. Groups that already have a massive cross-genre membership, like say Goomswarm, will become monolthic juggernauts.
Wouldn't that be ironic? Given the Love/Hate attitude the Goonies have with CCP?
Or it could be some other group entirely. We will have to see how it works out.
Seperate game with seperate mechanics ? and having impact on eve ?
Eve is a PVP game and 0.0 sovereignity is core/ driving force (from wars to economy ,basicly everything) anyone else effecting sovereignty than eve players unacceptable (this is why eve players treating it an expansion with your words ). Why eve players have to depend Dust players to attack a region /defend their territory?
I'd say that depends on how it works out. We have VERY limited information on how this will impact Sov yet.
I remember 2 years ago i think it was when CCP released some concept ideas on planetry soventry where each world was split up into a few zones where whoever got majoraty controll of a world would gain certain resources needed to make certain items. Now how this would be achieved was unclear all CCP said was that Pod pilots would use a 'RTS' based system to controll each zone using tanks and marines.
Perhaps Dust was what he was alluding too.
On a side note i have to say i love the name used for the marines being Dust as it kind of shows how small and insignificant and.....Disposable they are to Pod Pilots who are the Godlike Elite of the EvE universe.
CCP knows there shiet. I think this is a awesome expansion in the EvE universe. BUTTTTTTTTTTTT, i mean, REALLLLY???? WHY NO COMP. SUPPORT. that boggles my mind, hopefully that will change.
I think this a really innovative concept. I just can't see me playing with my computer and EVE on one screen and my Playstation playing Dust 514 on another screen, trying to play both games at once.
When you shake your head to you hear stuff rattling inside?
Most "mature" FPS gamers do like the concept of a world that changes and a concept that they are actually fighting "for something". Character progression and customization (via their own vehicle among other things) is also something that appeals to FPS players... that much should be obvious from recent innovations in most shooters.
If anything, I think we're likely to see the more mature FPS players lean towards this type of game. Granted, it will need to be a top notch shooter to keep console gamers interested, it can't lean on the crutch of being "meaningful" and hope to compete with other console FPS games.
As for the console vs pc crowd hatreds, I think its only natural that there would be plenty of animosity between Dust Marines and Pod Pilots. That sounds pretty solid to me.
It's being developed for consoles because they aren't aiming for current Eve Online players. They are aiming for a different type of player.
Think about it... you create a game that appeals to Eve Online players... what happens? Those gamers just shift from one game to another. That does you no good financially. You want to keep your current playerbase while adding additional players. The best way to do that is to market your second game to an entirely different type of gamer. If there is a 180 opposite of Eve Online on the PC, its an FPS on a console.
This is the same reason the next Blizzard MMO is going to end up being vastly different than WoW. It just doesn't make sense to steal customers from yourself and spend tons of development money/time on it.
If that really is their thinking, then they have a few rocks in their noggins.
I'm currently an ex-EVE player, just got tired of it all and stopped playing...but I still follow the game, freely admit that I enjoyed playing it and like the universe....
I've also been known to play FPS games in the past and would do so again if one caught my interest...but *never* on a console. I haven't played a game on a console since my parents Atari 25yrs ago and am not about to go back.......
Halo, Gears of War, and Call of Duty basically put you in the minority of FPS players. You might not like console FPS games, but that's where the majority of gamers are. To think that because you don't like it that CCP must have "rocks in their noggins" is ignorant.
Call of Duty 4 alone has something along the line of 13 MILLION unique users on Xbox Live. It's not by chance that CCP is dipping its toes into the console FPS market.
None of which have ever heard of CCP or EVE and the vast majority of which won't stay with a single game for more than a few months...great player base to be planning a persistent world element off of eh?
CCP also has *zero* experience making console games - but if that's the way they want to go...>shrug<
Clearly I am "ignorant" for thinking it might have been a smarter move to make the game for the PC, but design it from the start so it would be portable to console...I don't see how that situation would have hurt them compared to how they are choosing to do things.
None of which have ever heard of CCP or EVE and the vast majority of which won't stay with a single game for more than a few months...great player base to be planning a persistent world element off of eh?
CCP also has *zero* experience making console games - but if that's the way they want to go...>shrug<
Clearly I am "ignorant" for thinking it might have been a smarter move to make the game for the PC, but design it from the start so it would be portable to console...I don't see how that situation would have hurt them compared to how they are choosing to do things.
Knowing how these things go, they might have been offered a Sweet Deal for a console exclusive. No telling how long that exclusive contract might last. I'm not at all impressed by console FPS titles. They are too stiff and limited compared to keyboard mouse FPS's for my taste. We will just have to wait and see how it turns out.
None of which have ever heard of CCP or EVE and the vast majority of which won't stay with a single game for more than a few months...great player base to be planning a persistent world element off of eh?
CCP also has *zero* experience making console games - but if that's the way they want to go...>shrug<
Clearly I am "ignorant" for thinking it might have been a smarter move to make the game for the PC, but design it from the start so it would be portable to console...I don't see how that situation would have hurt them compared to how they are choosing to do things.
Console gamers don't need to know about CCP or Eve. Why would they? If its a good shooter, they'll play it. . Console games don't suffer from lack of exposure like most PC games do. That it has persistent elements might make them play it over "generic shooter #2" though, and if they enjoy the game play they'll take interest in those added elements.
FPS players are every bit as dedicated to their games as MMOers. I still know folks that play Counterstrike. Sure there are gamers who hop from game to game, but If you think many MMO gamers don't game-hop like a mofo, you are kidding yourself. That's one of the primary reasons this site exists.
A console is just a computer with a game-pad. If anything its easier to program for because you don't have to take into account multiple hardware and control configurations. Plus the tools for developing on a console are pretty extensive. CCP won't have any trouble with developing something on an platform that's easier to develop for.
You design for the console for several reasons:
1) It has more red-tape attached to it. You have to deal with Sony/Microsoft and all the quality control stuff that goes on there... as well as dealing with their online hosting service (and believe me Microsoft wants a cut of the pie from any persistent MMO that is hosted via Xbox Live).
2) It's notoriously harder to hack a console than a computer, and in a competitive environment like Eve that becomes a real concern.
3) It has a much larger active FPS gaming crowd. And the online social service to host it. Duh.
4) The control schemes are not as tight. Develop a shooter for a PC and then move it to a console, and people are going to be unhappy w/ control comparisons. Develop for a console and move to the PC, and its a bonus.
5) If they do end up porting it to a PC, it will look a billion times better on a PC. You don't want to have a PC version come out that looks stunning and then have a console version that looks like trash in comparison come out later. Better to start with trash(comparatively) and move on to stunning, people handle that better.
It's an exciting development. The potential for the Eve universe is enormous. I think it's still in its infancy right now.
None of which have ever heard of CCP or EVE and the vast majority of which won't stay with a single game for more than a few months...great player base to be planning a persistent world element off of eh?
CCP also has *zero* experience making console games - but if that's the way they want to go...>shrug<
Clearly I am "ignorant" for thinking it might have been a smarter move to make the game for the PC, but design it from the start so it would be portable to console...I don't see how that situation would have hurt them compared to how they are choosing to do things.
Have console FPS gamers ever had a reason to stay with a console FPS before? An evolving, persistent world in which what you do means something after you've done it is a little different from playing the same map for the 50th time.
CCP didn't have a whole lot of MMO experience when they created EvE. They've got a lot of ambition and a lot of balls, and they're trying something new and different, unlike virtually every other company out there.
The poster above who said that Dust is not primarily aimed at existing EvE players is 100% correct. It's aimed at people who are "interested in EvE, but I just dont like the gameplay". How many posts like that have you seen on this site and others? People who are fascinated by the dirty politics, intricate economy, the evolving history... but for whom the basic pointyclicky spaceships thing just doesn't work.
Well a console FPS is about as far as it's possible to get from pointyclicky spaceships gameplay. We can hardly accuse them of not listening to their critics.
Tbh, Dust is the way they're going in the future. Controlling spaceships on your PC will eventually be only one part of the greater "EvE-verse" if their plans succeed; a Console FPS is just the first step into the diversification program. Have you read the EvE chronicles fiction? Notice how a large percentage of them take place on a planet? Just off the top of my head, I can see CCP creating some kind of politics MMO where the goal is to gain political power in the empire factions - you could play that from an iPhone. You think the pilots are nervous about console kiddies affecting sov? How loud would they squeal if a bunch of latte-sipping, beret-wearing iPhoners took up the reins of empire power? Plenty of people like to make the "spaceships and spreadsheets" joke about EvE, but you could easily make a browser game out of the current market trading. The EvE lore contains atmospheric fighters and mecha-ish power armour; those could be integrated into Dust, or EvE, or be used for an entirely new PC game for fighting in xeno- or exoatmospheric environments like gas giant moons, Venus-like hell-worlds, giant asteroids...
And all of these games will be linked through their COSMOS project. That choice of name was not an accident. Imagine iPoliticians contracting a merc pod-pilot alliance to interdict the faction warfare area in Black Rise so that the incumbent Caldari administration are discredited. Browser marketeers bribing a dust clan to lose a battle so that the price of Dysprosium spikes and they can make billions in profit. A small pod Alliance forming a metaAlliance with dust clans to hold a small constellation of systems with an above normal distribution of earthlike planets. A Dust clan blackmailing the Gallante admin to interdict supplies of hand blasters, which are the favoured weapon of their rival clan...
Imagine...
Pod pilots have been CCP's "only child" for a long time. Now they're gonna have to get used to having a little brother, and soon enough, maybe more, a lot more. What I'm seeing in this thread is exactly the kind of tantrums an only child throws when his favoured status is threatened by getting siblings. Exactly the same kind. It's fundamentally childish jealousy, and it's ridiculous. We're the first, but CCP never said that we'd be the only.
Luckily, being the eldest is still pretty good. I predict that pod pilots may well come to be outnumbered, perhaps even greatly outnumbered in this future "EvE-verse", but we'll always be the elite, the richest, the most powerful individually, and the core of the game.