I think a lot of the reasons revolve around the $50 price tag for now and the ruff latency issues that have been buzzing around the net in player reviews. Not many enjoy pay-to-beta.

If nothing else catches my attention ill probably pick the game up when its price drops. Its a great game with a solid crafting system, but it also has its hills to climb.

The devs crank out solid patches though and the in-game gm is unheard of anymore with the other AAA studios.

10 Reasons why to think twice before you go play Fallen Earth:

Fighting - pretend FPS, that doesn't even work properly in 1st person view.

Making stuff - wanna make that car? well you gotta craft that atv 1st then a motorcycle then a buggy and after months of creating useless vehicles.. thats right you get to create that useless car grats!

Wide open spaces - thats right lots of nothing, zero ,nada ,zip.. content that is.

Unique Aesthetic Options - wanna wear that useless towel? go right ahead and gimp yourself..

GM's - gotta give it to them they are online

Side sites - same as most others, nothing special.

Mature community - mature is the word.

Totally classless - equals one class, ok im a bit harsh here but at times it felt like it.

One server - less waiting, sure but hey if you live eastern europe good luck with the ping mate!

Balancing act - i actully laughed at this one, unless somthing changed then with the right skills you can destroy most others with melee in a few hits while tanking the hell out of there bullets, nice balance there.

ill add an 11th reason as well, vehicle pyhsics are none exsistent.

11) is the 2nd coming of SWG Pre-NGE according to another thread running concurrently atm.

It's all so clear now.

I'm giving hard thought to giving Fallen Earth a whirl once my time in Aion comes to an end. 

(can't play more than two games and EVE is still my primary focus)

Balancing act - i actully laughed at this one, unless somthing changed then with the right skills you can destroy most others with melee in a few hits while tanking the hell out of there bullets, nice balance there. 

I was and semi am still a major fan of the game, but my interest has taken a major down turn.  
I'm lvl 31, just started getting into PvP, and yea, balanced my arse.  

I won't go too deep into it, because it will become a rant, but even bigger than the "class"  balance (because despite being classless, there ARE classes, Melee, Rifle, Pistol, etc.. things you need to specialize in to maximize those skills / builds hence making CLASSES...)  But factions.   They actually serve no purpose other than to grind rep.    

What is the point of being an Enforcer, when your Allies (other Enforcers)  can farm you for pvp exp?  With really no penalty in place for that kind of thing, all you've done is turn PvP from something that could have been a strategic "Capture the town"  to ..  "I don't care who you are, I'm going to farm you at the only place you can get back your vehicle"  

They need to take a long hard look into the PvP system of the game.   Since I can't see anything else to do @ 45 other than PvP,  I'm disappointed, and have actually lost interest in continuing my character...    

Some reasons good, some average, some sounds like lie:

1. Nothing impressive. It is not FPS. Even if you hit your enemy from few centimeters with gun there is normal chance of missing/glancing him. Fast weapons (dual weapons) graphics are too slow and damage goes on even if there isnt graphics. Crossbows have only 50m or so range and enemy wont receive damaging from greater range, bolts isnt affected by gravity...

2. Crafting system is special, but there isnt variation for same items, you can craft 1000 crossbows and they will be identical. So this point is only average.

3. I agree to this point, but this is really for personal choice.

4. Yea.

5. Agreed.

6. Every game have such. Maybe a bit harder to find.

7. Almost every game has such community. And also it is matters of luck. People bash WoW for its community, but I never had problem with it...

8. Classless my ass... There are class, only for begginers of MMORPG it can look like classless or if you have spent not much time in game. You must choose which way you go: melee,crafter, pistol, rifle. You cant master them all, and if you try being jack of all trades, later in game you will suck at everything at thats all.

9. Yea.

10. Balancing, what balancing? Even though game require less balancing then other it sucks at it. Ranged weapons sucks at lower levels (at least to level 15-20 because i played only so far) and melee is godly. Balance should be simple: ranged weapons have bit lower damage, melee have extreme damage but you need be close. Now it is: melee awesome, ranged is hmm... weak...

Another point about combat system is that there is hp drugs (potions) so you can go melee pretty easy. If such drugs would be rare there would be a lot more balance to melee vs ranged.

They will implement player housing, sector 4 will be released in a few months while they are allready working on sector 5. They have a big update every week with ALOT of fixes. I personally really like the game its fps style gameplay. And i love it that the fallen earth team is working hard and implementing alot of new stuff in such a short amount of time to keep players busy.

I love this game, you dont have to do raids for hours just play when you have the time and craft and lvl up while your offline :)

btw they will do something about melee mutations eventually it gives too much power atm and everyone knows that so its a mather of time.

Originally posted by Aramanu2

10 Reasons why to think twice before you go play Fallen Earth:

Fighting - pretend FPS, that doesn't even work properly in 1st person view.

Making stuff - wanna make that car? well you gotta craft that atv 1st then a motorcycle then a buggy and after months of creating useless vehicles.. thats right you get to create that useless car grats!

Wide open spaces - thats right lots of nothing, zero ,nada ,zip.. content that is.

Unique Aesthetic Options - wanna wear that useless towel? go right ahead and gimp yourself..

GM's - gotta give it to them they are online

Side sites - same as most others, nothing special.

Mature community - mature is the word.

Totally classless - equals one class, ok im a bit harsh here but at times it felt like it.

One server - less waiting, sure but hey if you live eastern europe good luck with the ping mate!

Balancing act - i actully laughed at this one, unless somthing changed then with the right skills you can destroy most others with melee in a few hits while tanking the hell out of there bullets, nice balance there.

ill add an 11th reason as well, vehicle pyhsics are none exsistent.

 

 

So whats the name of your 45?

Prove you've even played the game, because judging by your statements it seems pretty clear you haven't.

How about the 10 reasons why not to play Fallen Earth like a very poor tutorial

First I also like to add two reasons to not play the game:

1. Performance (meaning Quality of Graphics you receive for quality Hardware) is incredible bad. This is actually THE main factor I hesitated buying the game.

2. Screwed PvP System. Factions don't really have a meaning and with this conquering a Town for your factions is rather pointless. As this seems to be a huge part of the endgame the endgame is also screwed.

Other than that, it's a great game. If you have good high quality hardware and can accept the bad graphics with stuttering here and there and do not want to level as fast as possible to endgame which basically does not have a point yet, it might be your game.

This may sound bad. But in fact it's not. For a game which was just released it is VERY solid. It has tons of quests. Casual players who like questing can spend MONTHS withing this game with questing. While the quests aren't  that different from each other they still have a variety of other games like WoW. And there are TONs of it.

While the graphics are quite bad, the models and textures are solid. It's the special effects which suck. From my experience from other MMOs I can tell you though that it's quite easy to fix that. Special effects normally do not cost that much performance (shadows excluded) but increase the visual quality by far. If they could add great special FX the graphics would be almost be standard I'd say.

So, for what players is this game?

You need to like the setting.
You need to accept that from time to time you got long travel times. (I got a second monitor I watch documentations on while being on auto-run on the other one)
You need to accept that you have to aim.
You need to have a good PC.
You need to accept that endgame is not solid yet.

If you are fine with all these points you receive lots of gameplay for your money.
If you compare it with fallout 3 for example - fallout 3 offers much more intense gameplay and better atmosphere and interaction - yes, cause it's a single player game. But content wise, you can spend much more time in FE, you can play with friends.

Personally I see it like that: Even if I stop playing it when I reached the endgame, the hundreds of hours of gameplay were still worth the money. Buying the game is a good choice imho. Subscribing for 6 months or so may not be one.

Time will show us though what changes here.

I expect this game actually to grow. Unlike AoC which was a shiny box with air in it, FE is a rusty box filled with solid content. I had a preorder in AoC and felt like I already saw the whole game (endgame does not count as it did not work at all) after about one week, before the retail version was taken into effect. Fallen Earth just offers so much more. Someone just needs to polish the box and make it shiny!

Originally posted by sirsmedley

How about the 10 reasons why not to play Fallen Earth like a very poor tutorial

I didn't see the additional tutorial which was added with the latest patch, but the initial tutorial showed the very basics. Though it wasn't really awesome, it wasn't bad either.

Originally posted by sirsmedley

How about the 10 reasons why not to play Fallen Earth like a very poor tutorial

What is so poor about it? It holds your hand the entire way through.

Let me guess, you couldn't figure something out and decided it was bad. Sounds accurate, most of the younger or less intelligent players seem to have tutorial problems, while those of us with half a brain do not.

Protip: distributing your AP allows you to use the weapons you are given!

Protip: rocket launcher is right by the door leading into the super mutants room!

I've run eight characters through the tutorial since subscribing around the 25th of last month, and have NEVER had a problem completing it with any of them. Nor did I have a lack of knowledge on what to do when I was finished and thrust out into the open world.

TLDR: Bad players are bad.

Originally posted by Kordanor

I didn't see the additional tutorial which was added with the latest patch, but the initial tutorial showed the very basics. Though it wasn't really awesome, it wasn't bad either.

How can you comment on PvP and Factions if you can't even figure out how to do the extended tutorial?

This gets better and better, where do these guys come from? Just spewing garbage you've read or heard elsewhere does not make it fact, and there is a WHOLE lot of incorrect information floating around this thread.

Originally posted by Euphoryk

Originally posted by Kordanor

I didn't see the additional tutorial which was added with the latest patch, but the initial tutorial showed the very basics. Though it wasn't really awesome, it wasn't bad either.

 

How can you comment on PvP and Factions if you can't even figure out how to do the extended tutorial?

This gets better and better, where do these guys come from? Just spewing garbage you've read or heard elsewhere does not make it fact, and there is a WHOLE lot of incorrect information floating around this thread.

 

I didn't  have problems to "figure out how to do the extended tutorial". I was just already playing for a while and did not feel the need to go back to do it.
 

I hate the tutorial with a passion luckily it's short and can be skipped by your other characters once completed the first time, I love the game people that like stats and depth will love FE ppl that are instant gratification types will freaking hate it,as for the people in between who knows,some will like it some wont it doesn't make it a bad game.

Originally posted by Kordanor

I didn't  have problems to "figure out how to do the extended tutorial". I was just already playing for a while and did not feel the need to go back to do it.
 

That's not what you said originally, but alrighty...

Regardless, its quite clear you're only pvp experience in the game is limited to S1 and possibly some minor skirmishes in S2. So before you cry wolf about pvp you have very little knowledge of/experience with, I'd suggest leveling and actually getting to the point where faction based battles are commonplace.

Ever tried sneaking into an enemy controlled conflict town? Go give it a shot and then try and tell me faction has no bearing on how well the system functions.

In beta I stopped playing once I got to the ATV and saw how it drove. Saying there are no vehicle physics is being kind. Completely inexcusable to have an MMO with cars/atv's and have them drive like some super nintendo mario cart from 1998 - Add in the $49 price and you've got one giant "NO WAY IN HELL I'D BUY THIS GAME".

Nothing there interested me,so i guess that's why i did not last long in the game.

These are actually good reasons to play any game,but only if they implement them properly.

Combat...I found it boring,it can never compete with more colourful and combo designed PVE Fantasy type combat.

Crafting....Main reason i bought the game,was VERY disappointed in not only harvesting but how crafting is done.

Wide Open....Yes good except ,it is DEAD ,EMPTY space.

Aesthetic...OK i can agree there,but for me it is a very superficial reason.

GM's...to be honest ,i rather games have no need for them,and i never had to use a GM in FE,so that is a good thing i guess.

Sites/apps...I hate that idea with a passion.I notice another topic ,some guy is bragging about apps for WOW,imo they are like hand holding,feeding the little babies the exact here is where and how,because they don't want to actually play the developers creation.As far as Radio site,ya WOW has that too as does other games,I have zero need for it personally,if i had spare time for the game,it would be playing the game.

Community...it is important yes,i never had to deal with it,i had chat  right off the screen and never grouped but a couple times.

Classless....I have learned over many years ,and watching game design,that classes ARE needed.The reason is because it gives a better direction to design of the game.It takes far too much to explain in a few sentences ,so i won't.I went into a bit of detail of why it fails,in a FFXIV thread,I don't feel like doing it again lol.Basically classless is a cop out for the developer,it makes their job much easier.A simple example....I have 4 different mage types in my game,i need to make 30 spells for each,that is 120 spells.A classless game can get away with just 30,because they will be the same for each player.

One server...why this matters,i have no idea at all?All that should matter is a games content/design and if there are players to interact with,it does not matter 1 server or 500.This again is just an easier task for the developer,they only need GM's for one server lol.

Balanced combat....well yes that is nice except there is a lot of us out there who do not care for PVP one bit.Removing the fact that i do not take part in PVP,i found the combat boring,so a balanced boring act,would not help.

SO as you can see not much there in FE ,to attract a PVE player and one that expects some decent effort into each aspect of the game.There was only one thing i found remotely fun and that was messing around on my ATV,but even then it gets damaged too easily so the fun part is lost quickly.Even then ATV cruising gets boring after one hour.

Originally posted by Euphoryk

Originally posted by Kordanor

I didn't  have problems to "figure out how to do the extended tutorial". I was just already playing for a while and did not feel the need to go back to do it.
 

 

That's not what you said originally, but alrighty...

Regardless, its quite clear you're only pvp experience in the game is limited to S1 and possibly some minor skirmishes in S2. So before you cry wolf about pvp you have very little knowledge of/experience with, I'd suggest leveling and actually getting to the point where faction based battles are commonplace.

Ever tried sneaking into an enemy controlled conflict town? Go give it a shot and then try and tell me faction has no bearing on how well the system functions.

 

 

Actually I didn't say anything about the additional tutorial but that I didn't play it. ^^
 

But you are right when guessing about my pvp experience. I just had some skirmishes and reached Rank 1 and that's basically all.

But imho you don't need to experience everything to be able to judge it. At some situations it can even be better to not have played it, as it might blur your sight with some very emotions which are situational and will vanish in long term.

I am thinking about how to explain what I mean. Let's say there is a game concept like an 1v1 arena with the best rewards in the game, while the Devs balanced the characters for larger scale battles (unrelated to FE). If you just think about it, you think "yeah, well, that can't work".
But now you enter these fights and fight 1,5,20 battles the first day and win most of it. Maybe you think now "This system is awesome, and as I am so superior I won most of the cases". Ok, now time passes, with times there come cookie cutter 1v1 character templates, you start to loose all the time cause you don't have such a character and will never be able to get the best gear unless you change your class, skills, whatever.

You are right, I lack experience. But I honestly think that your view is blurred.

It's the same with castles in DAoC. They worked for the first few weeks, then people started to lose interest in it, cause there was no motivation to make the effort in keeping it. (they were changed afterwards to give them some meaning again though).

I am pretty sure, that in long term players will lose interest in FEs town-conquer system, if it is not changed.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Nothing there interested me,so i guess that's why i did not last long in the game.

These are actually good reasons to play any game,but only if they implement them properly.

Crafting....Main reason i bought the game,was VERY disappointed in not only harvesting but how crafting is done.

Wide Open....Yes good except ,it is DEAD ,EMPTY space.

One server...why this matters,i have no idea at all?All that should matter is a games content/design and if there are players to interact with,it does not matter 1 server or 500.This again is just an easier task for the developer,they only need GM's for one server lol. 

Basically I don't want to try to convince you to play the game again. If you didn't have fun, it's the right choice to quit, and imho lots of raiders in other games should go with the same philosophy.
 

Still, I need to contradict some of your points:
While I think gathering and crafting need some adjustments I think the general concept (queue up and let the magic work) is a great concept. Giving crafting time some value. It's true though that this need some improve and adjustments.
I don't think this wide open world is dead and empty. There are actually some NPCs scattered around giving quests. I would have loved more of this though, with some more meaning. No AP quests, but maybe some unique stuff or recipes giving you an advantage to leveling (no endgame must have stuff). There could also be more of it. But I disagree that the world is dead.
One Server has some advantages someone might not see in the beginning. But these advantages include that you simply can't end up at another server then a (maybe new) friend. It also focuses all the developers eyes on one Server, one Economy. I think it has far more value if something is reached on one server then if you have multiple shards. For PVE goals this may be true, for pvp this is far different imho, at least in larger scale. No one would talk about eve fights and alliances if there were just some dozens of players involved. One Server means writing history. In addition to that it makes events for players and GMs much easier. A game event with GMs playing something is not even possible in WoW which has more than hundred of servers. You would need to script everything there. There is no other choice.

Edit: Cut out points in quote I did not refer to in order to keep posting rather short.

I really do enjoy playing FE. I had fun in Beta, as well as during the 2 week trial they just had. However, the game still needs a lot of work...and isn't really worth the $47 dollar price tag. Once Icarus lets us just sub to start playing, rather than having to pay for the game itself, I'll hop on board.

ive played other mmo's that has better graphics like aoc for example.FE doesnt have bad graphics the people that complain here are the ones that cant play at max settings. Ok the game doesnt have the best graphics engine so what?. I like it alot more then any other mmo i played its new refreshing and has no elfs. If you are lazy and want good lewt without effort wow is the game for you. And to others that whine about the community and the lack of grouping, Heres a hint: Join a guild or stop complaining.

Another good tip if you get annoyed by the kids talking in regional chat there is an option to close it.....

It makes me wonder if I'm playing the same game after reading some of the replies in this thread.  I found the original article spot on.

As a PvE player in these sorts of games, I found Fallen Earth to be quite inviting.  I'll elaborate on the ten reasons.

1). Fighting IS FPS with rpg elements. Which is to say, for example, if you have a high dodge skill this will effect your opponents ability to hit you solidly with ranged weapons.  I find the system highly enjoyable, and I'm not a huge FPS fan in general. It certainly doesn't feel as clunky or unwieldy as SWG:NGE combat system does.

2). Crafting: Not sure why the article claims this is controversial. Is it because a few SWG throwbacks can't move passed that game and want FE crafting to be SWG: Lite? I don't know.  I think the crafting is very well done, and fits the theme of the Post Apoc world in which everyone is a survivalist.   I could care less if my PBG (a pistol) is different than player X. I guess I'd only care if I was trying to sell them to other players, but I'm not so I don't.  I love the fact that I don't have to depend on other players to make subparts, or that I have to depend on other players at all for crafted items.  And the crafting is pretty complex -- more complex than most MMOs out there, but not THE most complex. 

3).  The wide open world is definitely made for explorers -- and me being of the explorer type love it.  I can only imagine that those who say it's empty are not explorers at heart and are impatient with the endeavor.  There is content out there in the wasteland...I've found it. Unlike SWG that had a vast world and no content...now that was ZERO content. I truthfully cannot say the same about FE since I've found the content to be there if you look for it. No fast travel? That's fine with me. I'm in no hurry.

4).  Unique aesthetic options. Indeed. I've crafted stuff just to see what it looked like. The breadth of items is impressive.  As far as 'gimping' yourself if you choose an item for aesthetics over stats -- possibly in PvP. But as I stated earlier, I'm not into PvP, and so I've found that my choices, on several different characters, have not significantly hampered my ability to play.

5). Yep. GMs are there. Quite refreshing, not only to have their presence felt, but they keep the help channels clear of inane posting.

6). Side sites...don't know much about these.  But I do know that it is fun to have them 'in character' as it were. EVE has a few of these.

7). Mature community.  Yeah, for the most part  -- but again I haven't experienced any of the supposed gank squads in the PvP areas so that may provide a less mature experience.

8). Totally classless.  I'd say yes for the most part.  Players are, however, trying their damnedest  to turn it into a class system because of the specter of 'gimping' your character.  Yes, you can't be a jack of all trades who is also master of them all...guess what...that's how reality works.  If you choose to go this route, you will be less effective at any one thing. Duh.   Having said that, and bearing in mind my non-PvP stance, my characters do dabble in 'less than optimal' skills and are not feeling gimped at all.   I have a character with full pistol/ 3/4 melee, full dodge, half armor, a touch of First aid.   I think players see a skill bar and think "i've got to max this bar out."  I've found just the opposite.  In fact, I've only been raising skills on my first character as the need arises.  MOBs starting to get too tough? I bump up my pistol skill or melee or armor...nodes too high of level to scavenge? I bump up my intelligence.  As I pointed out, I only have two maxed skills so far on this character.

So yes...classless.

9). One Server.  Good and bad.  Good because the world is full of people. Bad because you can experience server side lag -- I have had one lag death thus far -- but not a big deal really.

10).  Balance...that bugaboo of PvP games. Seeing as I don't PvP, balancing things isn't really that important. All that matters is fun, and right now both melee and ranged are fun. I couldn't tell you if one style was more powerful than the other.

Additionally:

11). Indie Developer.  Players who care about indie game development have a real gem here. If you want to see all the big corporate studios have all the fun and all the design power in the gaming world, then steer clear of Icarus.  If you want to send a message to the corporate gaming world that you're tired of vanilla game design, then you should support Icarus.  Even if it's not your type of game, either because of setting or the FPS interface, the indie-minded fan should appreciate what Icarus is doing here.

12). Attention to Details:  Fallen Earth devs have really put some thought into the Post Apoc world. You can find many little nods to the Post Apoc genre.  Like Mad Max? Eat some dog food just like him, or drive an Interceptor.  Crazy religious cults springing up ? Yep got 'em. Giant insects, namely cockroaches? Yep. Radiation zones? Yep.  There's probably more that I haven't even discovered yet.  In many MMOs the graphics get a little boring because of the repetitive assets that are used over and over. Yet with FE I find a lot of diversity in this regard which keeps things interesting.

13). Mounts: the vehicle and mount system is far more diverse and complex than many games with years of live development under their belts. Training/building your mount/vehicle, storage on your vehicle/mount, stats on your mount/vehicle, repair and buff your mount/vehicle. Persistent vehicles and mounts that remain in the world (ei they're not 'horse pants').

14). Loot: Almost all the loot is useful.  Where in most MMOs you have default vendor trash -- you know the stuff that's good for nothing except taking up bag space -- FE items are nearly all tradeskill items.  Granted you will sell some of this to vendors as well, but the fact that it is useful to somebody makes it far more interesting loot.

Now Fallen Earth isn't a game I had been following...at all. I only heard about it because of the free trial, and the controversy surrounding the MMORPG review. So I am far, far from being a Fanboi of this game.  But Icarus is really winning me over I have to say.

I would like to say the tutorial is not at all helpful, in fact I would have to honestly say that at the start, the best way of actually learning anything at all is asking it in the help channel. This is kind of a letdown to me for this game. It ended and it kinda made me say in a sarcastic voice, "ermm....Okay. That was oh so helpful." So, I would have to say there is defiantly A LOT of room for improvement at the start. 

After the tutorial the next big thing that bugged me was getting a grasp of crafting. I must say it is really hard to craft in this game at the start, especially if you are brand spanking new. However I was fortunate enough to have an experienced crafter pst me and answer all my 20 or so questions about crafting. One being how I actually open the crafting window. Yes, I know there is a crafting quest but I did not get that nor could I find it. This is however let down by the fact that I decided to start in a city for combat. So, it is understandable and I did not blame the game for it.

Anyways, after talking to this player for well over an hour I finally started to understand how crafting worked, what the tradeskills were, and what each one did. Once I got all that information I went out and about looking for the mats for crafting the Plattmaster 3000 PBG or a zip gun.  It takes a considerable amount of time to gather resources without the help of the market. With the help of buying mats off the market it is faster. 

Now for people that do not understand or know what crafting is like in FE, here is a sort of play by play of how it goes. First off, to start off you must buy or get them from quests as you do not start out with any recipes what so ever. After getting a recipe, comes the fun enjoyable part of salvaging from scarp parts, trash bags, trash cans, wood piles, and other piles. There is also mining, gathering from plants/tree trunks/etc., and also skinning from animals you have killed.  Once you have gathered or bought all the required mats, you go back to your recipe window and click create for your desired recipe. Then you have to wait for a set amount of time. Once that time is up, you have whatever you chose to create. 

I have to say that if you take that option of gathering them yourselves expect to do  A LOT of running around. It takes ages to gather the correct amount to craft some of the simplest things. The fastest way is defiantly to go and buy it. 

Animations are not all that great and the horses REALLY BOTHER ME! I am a horse lover and my gf is a horse lover we own 7 horses. We know how they move and these horses do not move the correct way.  If someone tells you that the animations are the best they have played than they do not know mmo's or what good animations look like. At best Fallen Earth animation is average.

Latency and draw distance! HOLY CRAP! Okay I should be able to at least play this game on low-mid graphics. I can't! I am playing on a 8800 GTS OC and my Cpu is a intel core 2 duo 2.5GHz. I have 4 gb of ram. Now the min specs for this game is: 

Minimum Hardware Requirements

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz or Athlon 64X2 2.4 GHz
RAM: 2.0 GB for XP, 3.0 GB for Vista
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 6600/ATI Radeon X1300
RAM (dedicated): 256 MB
Free hard-drive space: 10 GB

Yeah BS! there is some serious latency issues and it is crazy having stuff draw right on top of you, especially the shrubs. 

Well that is about all the problems I have with Fallen Earth. The first person shooter feel is great and I would suggest any person that loves FPS games to play Fallen Earth. It is also vast and takes a while to get around to places. 

I actually just went back in to have a look its been a bit and wow all I can say is the community has taken a big turn for the worst the attitudes are just WoW and that is or isn't a pun,I am juts floored at the "look down your nose" attitude I was actually thinking of goin back but no need now.

FE is a good game,but it aint that good.

I've been playing FE for a couple of months now & quite enjoying it. Glad it's not another EQ/WoW clone.  Find it interesting that some people have had lag issues. I live in Australia & have not had any. (now if we were talking about lag/rubberbanding in Champions Online that would be a different story...)

Originally posted by Trueth

In beta I stopped playing once I got to the ATV and saw how it drove. Saying there are no vehicle physics is being kind. Completely inexcusable to have an MMO with cars/atv's and have them drive like some super nintendo mario cart from 1998 - Add in the $49 price and you've got one giant "NO WAY IN HELL I'D BUY THIS GAME".

So you're expecting incredible vehicle physics from an indie company with minimal funds? Grow up.

Originally posted by BlarathyH

Originally posted by Trueth

In beta I stopped playing once I got to the ATV and saw how it drove. Saying there are no vehicle physics is being kind. Completely inexcusable to have an MMO with cars/atv's and have them drive like some super nintendo mario cart from 1998 - Add in the $49 price and you've got one giant "NO WAY IN HELL I'D BUY THIS GAME".

 

So you're expecting incredible vehicle physics from an indie company with minimal funds? Grow up.

More importantly, intensive vehicle physics that I can only image would tax the cpu even more heavily than it already is. Not only would you need to calculate your vehicle physics, but also everyone elses.  It truly is naive to think that an MMO game can implement physics at the level of single player games.  Perhaps someday FE will support a Physics PU. But then I suppose some would complain about having to buy a PPU card for their system.

I know of only one game that has realistic physics implemented and that is World War II Online.

I remember that in the very first videos (the ones where you were able to dig holes in the world) they had a detailed vehicle interface about all the physical aspects. Trying to find it. 

Originally posted by BlarathyH

Originally posted by Trueth

In beta I stopped playing once I got to the ATV and saw how it drove. Saying there are no vehicle physics is being kind. Completely inexcusable to have an MMO with cars/atv's and have them drive like some super nintendo mario cart from 1998 - Add in the $49 price and you've got one giant "NO WAY IN HELL I'D BUY THIS GAME".

 

So you're expecting incredible vehicle physics from an indie company with minimal funds? Grow up.

An indie company with minimal funds........that is charging full purchase price and the same monthly fees as its competitors. Who gives a shit whether they are an indie company or not. Its irrelevant. Only the product matters.

Having said that although I dont have an ATV in the game, from what I have seen I dont think they are that bad.

Sure you can try and justify that being an indie company is irrelevant to the final product but server side limitations like physics is a problem if you can't get the servers to handle them.

Originally posted by sigurd57

Balancing act - i actully laughed at this one, unless somthing changed then with the right skills you can destroy most others with melee in a few hits while tanking the hell out of there bullets, nice balance there. 

 

I was and semi am still a major fan of the game, but my interest has taken a major down turn.  
I'm lvl 31, just started getting into PvP, and yea, balanced my arse.  

I won't go too deep into it, because it will become a rant, but even bigger than the "class"  balance (because despite being classless, there ARE classes, Melee, Rifle, Pistol, etc.. things you need to specialize in to maximize those skills / builds hence making CLASSES...)  But factions.   They actually serve no purpose other than to grind rep.    

What is the point of being an Enforcer, when your Allies (other Enforcers)  can farm you for pvp exp?  With really no penalty in place for that kind of thing, all you've done is turn PvP from something that could have been a strategic "Capture the town"  to ..  "I don't care who you are, I'm going to farm you at the only place you can get back your vehicle"  

They need to take a long hard look into the PvP system of the game.   Since I can't see anything else to do @ 45 other than PvP,  I'm disappointed, and have actually lost interest in continuing my character...    

There are alot of things that really cause me to want to try FE, specifically the single server, the FPS aspect, and the high number of factions. But I have to say the "factionless" guilds and PvP is the one huge reason I am not going to bother. It sounds like a great PvE game, but if they offer PvP, I am going to want to try it, and the PvP that Sigurd posted about in the quote above is highly disappointing to me. If I wanted that kind of PvP, I could go play Darkfall, Age of Conan, or EvE.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/126/view/videos/play/1127/Fallen-Earth-World-Editor-Demo.html

Just for the ones interested in some FE physics. 

Edit: And some other relics of ancient history:

http://playmassive.de/p_Fallen_Earth/d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e4678f2be24ca4/Icarus_Studios_im_Gespraech_01454628/1.html

They're also working on a physics engine which will influence grenade trajectory, as well as how vehicles react on terrain. Additionally, terrain and some buildings are destructible: we were shown a weapon (for demo purposes only, we were assured), which produced a particle beam that dug a large hole into a road. The actual technology will probably be used for trench digging, as well as blast patterns created by explosives. Hettinger said, “You want the players to affect the world... many games feel like you're playing in a sandbox.”

So, yeah. The physics is there. Probably it was not implemented though, as the server can't handle it. There is a reason for almost static worlds in mmos.

 I think a lot of the nay say is blown way out of proportion and I actually think the OP has some pretty valid reasons to like this game.

Come on now,  Theres wide open spaces .. then someone comments that theres wide open spaces of nothing?  No content?  What kind of joke is that.  Its the same kind of content you saw when you were traveling any of the worlds in SWG.  Most people complain that theres nothing to see, these are the people that never leave the starter towns to explore.

One person said and I quote ""I don't care who you are, I'm going to farm you at the only place you can get back your vehicle" .. which is not true as you can pull your mount from any garage, anywhere, not just the garage in the conflict towns or having to run back to your mount.  If you're in lifenet in most PvP conflict towns, check the computers, theres a travel option so you don't have to run from the safe zones.  

Now people are complaining about balance too.. I guess its to be expected.. everyone complains about balance.. however.. and I quote from an earlier post "unless somthing changed then with the right skills you can destroy most others with melee in a few hits while tanking the hell out of there bullets, nice balance there." wow..  thats hard to believe when you look on the forums and see so many others complaining that melee is gimped in comparison to ranged.  Its the skill of the player, if you're getting beaten by ranged players then maybe you should rethink your build or go sit on the sidelines.   I have both a ranged and melee character and I've killed and have been killed by both types on both characters.

Not to be rude, but a lot of the problems people are having with the game, aren't really the games problems, and I can understand those of you out there that just don't "get it" but it seems to me that they're "isolated incidents"... also known as your opinions.

It's interesting playing Aion with my GF, lately. Opens my eyes to her perspective, as someone who's never played an MMO before. Someone who's normally pretty casual about gaming, but now, totally hooked. Despite that, she'll look at a game like FE, and even worse than most of its detractors, see it as just so totally blah. She loved Fallout3, so its not the type of environment that's the issue. It's the dull lifeless way they've gone about creating it.

I know, gamers like her aren't exactly in their target audience, but still.. would be nice if they'd managed to make a more compelling experience. Honestly, it is one of the most blah MMOs I've ever tried.

It's good to see that so many people are happy with an MMO like that, though. I hope they do manage to make it into one of the so very few indy success stories. Maybe they'll eventually even find the means to work in the sort of bells and whistles that might broaden its appeal.

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and opinions on the game.  I want anyone posting here to know that I have played this game since day 1 of retail release.  I had not heard of the game before then.  I have played many MMO's over the years.  I have ranked this game as not being one of the greatest games, but it reaches to a niche group of people.  I would advise anyone that is trying this game to wait for a trial key if you are remotely unsure if you would like this game.  I wasted my money on way too many MMOs and I would not want anyone to do the same thing.  Please do some research before purchasing anything that you are unsure about.  This leads to discussion of more than just whether or not to purchase Fallen Earth.  So, let's get back to topic.  If you have experienced Fallen Earth, please post your comments no matter if they are good or bad.  Let everyone know how you feel that way they can decide for themselves.  Thanks again to everyone that posted so far and lets keep them coming. 

Originally posted by Wizardry

Nothing there interested me,so i guess that's why i did not last long in the game.

These are actually good reasons to play any game,but only if they implement them properly.

Combat...I found it boring,it can never compete with more colourful and combo designed PVE Fantasy type combat.

Crafting....Main reason i bought the game,was VERY disappointed in not only harvesting but how crafting is done.

Wide Open....Yes good except ,it is DEAD ,EMPTY space.

Aesthetic...OK i can agree there,but for me it is a very superficial reason.

GM's...to be honest ,i rather games have no need for them,and i never had to use a GM in FE,so that is a good thing i guess.

Sites/apps...I hate that idea with a passion.I notice another topic ,some guy is bragging about apps for WOW,imo they are like hand holding,feeding the little babies the exact here is where and how,because they don't want to actually play the developers creation.As far as Radio site,ya WOW has that too as does other games,I have zero need for it personally,if i had spare time for the game,it would be playing the game.

Community...it is important yes,i never had to deal with it,i had chat  right off the screen and never grouped but a couple times.

Classless....I have learned over many years ,and watching game design,that classes ARE needed.The reason is because it gives a better direction to design of the game.It takes far too much to explain in a few sentences ,so i won't.I went into a bit of detail of why it fails,in a FFXIV thread,I don't feel like doing it again lol.Basically classless is a cop out for the developer,it makes their job much easier.A simple example....I have 4 different mage types in my game,i need to make 30 spells for each,that is 120 spells.A classless game can get away with just 30,because they will be the same for each player.

One server...why this matters,i have no idea at all?All that should matter is a games content/design and if there are players to interact with,it does not matter 1 server or 500.This again is just an easier task for the developer,they only need GM's for one server lol.

Balanced combat....well yes that is nice except there is a lot of us out there who do not care for PVP one bit.Removing the fact that i do not take part in PVP,i found the combat boring,so a balanced boring act,would not help.

SO as you can see not much there in FE ,to attract a PVE player and one that expects some decent effort into each aspect of the game.There was only one thing i found remotely fun and that was messing around on my ATV,but even then it gets damaged too easily so the fun part is lost quickly.Even then ATV cruising gets boring after one hour.

 

I'd have to disagree. I've found that it doesn't actually end up as 120 different spells. It usually ends up:

Fire Bolt -> Fire Blast

Ice Bolt -> Ice Blast

Lightning Bolt -> Lightning Blast

Acid Bolt -> Acid Blast

Sprinkle in some buffs and debuffs versus the "opposite schools", bake for 30 minutes and voila! Modern Fantasy MMO Magic "system".

To me, Class systems are a cop out. They're cookie cutter templates that cut out player imagination in "building their persona". Yep, they are easier to balance in a game. They're easier overall for devs, and if it isn't clear enough, the path of least resistance is the flavor of the MMO month with the majority of devs. Take the easiest, forumlated route so we can get the game out fast to not upset the taskmaster shareholders and the vulture CEOs popping their heads in every 5 minutes asking "is it done yet? Is it done yet?".

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by Wizardry

Nothing there interested me,so i guess that's why i did not last long in the game.

These are actually good reasons to play any game,but only if they implement them properly.

Combat...I found it boring,it can never compete with more colourful and combo designed PVE Fantasy type combat.

Crafting....Main reason i bought the game,was VERY disappointed in not only harvesting but how crafting is done.

Wide Open....Yes good except ,it is DEAD ,EMPTY space.

Aesthetic...OK i can agree there,but for me it is a very superficial reason.

GM's...to be honest ,i rather games have no need for them,and i never had to use a GM in FE,so that is a good thing i guess.

Sites/apps...I hate that idea with a passion.I notice another topic ,some guy is bragging about apps for WOW,imo they are like hand holding,feeding the little babies the exact here is where and how,because they don't want to actually play the developers creation.As far as Radio site,ya WOW has that too as does other games,I have zero need for it personally,if i had spare time for the game,it would be playing the game.

Community...it is important yes,i never had to deal with it,i had chat  right off the screen and never grouped but a couple times.

Classless....I have learned over many years ,and watching game design,that classes ARE needed.The reason is because it gives a better direction to design of the game.It takes far too much to explain in a few sentences ,so i won't.I went into a bit of detail of why it fails,in a FFXIV thread,I don't feel like doing it again lol.Basically classless is a cop out for the developer,it makes their job much easier.A simple example....I have 4 different mage types in my game,i need to make 30 spells for each,that is 120 spells.A classless game can get away with just 30,because they will be the same for each player.

One server...why this matters,i have no idea at all?All that should matter is a games content/design and if there are players to interact with,it does not matter 1 server or 500.This again is just an easier task for the developer,they only need GM's for one server lol.

Balanced combat....well yes that is nice except there is a lot of us out there who do not care for PVP one bit.Removing the fact that i do not take part in PVP,i found the combat boring,so a balanced boring act,would not help.

SO as you can see not much there in FE ,to attract a PVE player and one that expects some decent effort into each aspect of the game.There was only one thing i found remotely fun and that was messing around on my ATV,but even then it gets damaged too easily so the fun part is lost quickly.Even then ATV cruising gets boring after one hour.

 

 

I'd have to disagree. I've found that it doesn't actually end up as 120 different spells. It usually ends up:

Fire Bolt -> Fire Blast

Ice Bolt -> Ice Blast

Lightning Bolt -> Lightning Blast

Acid Bolt -> Acid Blast

Sprinkle in some buffs and debuffs versus the "opposite schools", bake for 30 minutes and voila! Modern Fantasy MMO Magic "system".

To me, Class systems are a cop out. They're cookie cutter templates that cut out player imagination in "building their persona". Yep, they are easier to balance in a game. They're easier overall for devs, and if it isn't clear enough, the path of least resistance is the flavor of the MMO month with the majority of devs. Take the easiest, forumlated route so we can get the game out fast to not upset the taskmaster shareholders and the vulture CEOs popping their heads in every 5 minutes asking "is it done yet? Is it done yet?".

Aye.
 

With classes balance is made easier. Each class will be designed with X amount of spells. Each spell will have an ability that will be on par with another class, or countered by another classes spell/ability. Classes also allow the devs to create specific gear (armors and weapons) that can be aimed toward specofic classes (and can be balanced by creating even statted items for others).

When it comes to factions in a game, having classes makes it even easier for the dev teams. Each class will have a copy class or anti-class on the opposing faction (depending on how creative the dev team tries to be).

Spells are another thing game developers like to brag about in class based games. "We have over 200 spells in game!". When you look at the spells, most are just incremental upgrades to current spells. Then if you divy them up between the classes that use the spells you will notice its the same spell, same damage, same cast time, with just a different name based on the class. Sometimes there is even a different effect. Yay... That makes those '200 spells' an actual total of more like 20.

With a classless system, devs have a bit more work cut out for them. In a classless system the game has to rely on skills. Not just 1 or 2 skills, but usually more than 40 skills and the multiple possible combinations of those skills a player may choose to take. The devs have to audit each and every skill as well as try to think ahead to prevent certain combos from becoming the end-all-be-all spec.

The problem with a classless system is you will have players who dont really understand the concept. Most are used to picking a class and running out into the world, sword swinging or wand blasting away. Suddenly they are faced with a system that doesnt allow that; a system that makes them have to think and plan their character in the present as well as the future. They also have to plan for the gear they may want to use because in most skill based games, gear will require random combinations of stats needed by the player in order to equip said item.

Originally posted by Stradden

MMORPG.com Fallen Earth Correspondent Paul Cox writes this list of ten reasons that people should be playing Icarus Studios' new MMORPG.

Over the last couple of weeks, I have noticed that many people are still up in the air about Fallen Earth. This article will attempt to shed some light on whether or not you're going to want to subscribe to this game. Here is a list of some of the good (yet sometimes controversial) things this game brings to the table.

1 - Fighting!

The combat system. The combat system is quite different from most popular MMOs out there currently. The combat system requires you to aim at your opponent like a first (or third) person shooter. Aiming affects both melee and ranged combat.

Read Ten Reasons to Play Fallen Earth.

Exactly reason 1 made me go away. When I have discovered pressing both buttons (in PvE, have not PvP-ed) is all one have to do ... I had enough of fighting. Also bothered me a lot using mouse buttons to move, then have to switch to keyboard when switching to targeting mode. Well ... was not only reson ... but strong one.

Originally posted by Kordanor

. Unlike AoC which was a shiny box with air in it, FE is a rusty box filled with solid content. I had a preorder in AoC and felt like I already saw the whole game (endgame does not count as it did not work at all) after about one week, before the retail version was taken into effect. Fallen Earth just offers so much more. Someone just needs to polish the box and make it shiny!

 

Gotta agree with this... I played AoC beta and release up to this point, but FE seems to deliver better already.

Yes, im not level 45 yet, im just level 19. But I have put alot of hours into the game, and i really enjoy all the aspects from crafting to combat to exploring and questing. Endgame is still ahead of me, and as for every game ever released, endgame is lacking compared to starting game. And.. I suppose its how they have to do it. If we dont bother playing in the start, we would never reach endgame :P

I do have confidence that FE will deliver better endgame as we go along, they seem to be very focused on delivering fixes in a tempo that I havent seen from any other developer. 

Originally posted by Trueth

In beta I stopped playing once I got to the ATV and saw how it drove. Saying there are no vehicle physics is being kind. Completely inexcusable to have an MMO with cars/atv's and have them drive like some super nintendo mario cart from 1998 - Add in the $49 price and you've got one giant "NO WAY IN HELL I'D BUY THIS GAME".

Quite funny and I think I had some of the same toughts in my head.

Luckily the veichles are handles very different inside the game. Pretty strange, I belive there must be a bug in the tutorial regarding the atv driving there. 

When you enter the game after tutorial, you will see veichles are handled well there, and I have nothing to complain about there.

I hope the devs look into the atv driving in tutorial seeing as this is what pushed you away, and potentially others like you

Originally posted by Vhaln

It's interesting playing Aion with my GF, lately. Opens my eyes to her perspective, as someone who's never played an MMO before. Someone who's normally pretty casual about gaming, but now, totally hooked. Despite that, she'll look at a game like FE, and even worse than most of its detractors, see it as just so totally blah. She loved Fallout3, so its not the type of environment that's the issue. It's the dull lifeless way they've gone about creating it.

I know, gamers like her aren't exactly in their target audience, but still.. would be nice if they'd managed to make a more compelling experience. Honestly, it is one of the most blah MMOs I've ever tried.

It's good to see that so many people are happy with an MMO like that, though. I hope they do manage to make it into one of the so very few indy success stories. Maybe they'll eventually even find the means to work in the sort of bells and whistles that might broaden its appeal.

I can fully understand this. FE is not mainstream and an awful lot of people wont get past that blah look. I almost didn't.

I don't mean to be rude but has it ever occurred to you that you and gf have been conditioned and trained by advertising and the people who can afford advertising to react negatively to anything that isn't produced by those same big companies? As I get older it often strikes me that an awful lot of people behave like dumb livestock, trained by advertising to like what they're told to like and buy what they are supposed to buy. Farmed for our cash as efficiently as possible. It's a depressing view of the general population.

Of course there are exceptions either way. And of course I don't think every Indy company produces amazing products.

But FE reminds me of the time I was flicking through channels and came across a strange tv series called Red Dwarf. It was particularly obviously not a mainstream production - kind of trashy looking and cheap. I almost kept flicking. Almost. Boy was I glad I didn't. Most people would know that Red Dwarf was an absolute gem and became extremely popular. For those who don't know Red Dwarf, I suggest you look it up and enjoy. :)

As some others have said, I can't justify paying $50 for this game.

If they get a standard 2 week trial and then you only have to pay the sub price I would most likely pay for 1 month minimum to try it all out and if I had fun I would stay. But there is no way I am paying $50 for this, in fact I won't buy most AAA MMOs either now a days. But I will try a lot of games once the trial is there and usually will pay for at least a month.

I am having fun playing so far.

I like the graphics I never was to thrilled with the games with cartoon type graphics so its a plus for me.

I will say it is going to take some getting used to the fps style of play.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

As some others have said, I can't justify paying $50 for this game.

 

If they get a standard 2 week trial and then you only have to pay the sub price I would most likely pay for 1 month minimum to try it all out and if I had fun I would stay. But there is no way I am paying $50 for this, in fact I won't buy most AAA MMOs either now a days. But I will try a lot of games once the trial is there and usually will pay for at least a month.

If you like the game, just buy it. If you wont pay even if you like the trial you are just cheap ;)

Its not like its expensive. I have found the entertainment value of FE is very high. You will find few games that give you that many hours of fun. Im pretty sure the money you pay will go into further enhancing your gameplay experience.