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Anarchy Online Forum » Game Suggestions raquo; AO needs an overhaul

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  DustinHofman

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Joined: 2/06/06
Posts: 8

12/01/06 3:06:40 PM#21
This game has needed a graphical overhaul for a long time, if the developers cared for this game at all they would have done it several years back.  Unfortunately funcom is more interested in leaving the original game unfinished while they churn out expansions. Whatever cash they generate can only be used to pump into their next expansion in order to feed their  loyal base.  Meanwhile instead of spending money on improving the original world, they throw out their free trial ads all over the place to keep a large enough pool coming in just to sit around their empty world viewing ingame advertisments.  Don't get me wrong I think ingame advertising works well in a futuristic environment and I always felt the original game was very revolutionary.  I have just always been disapointed with the expansions for this game and how they seemed to rob the orginality that existed on rubi ka.  
  Aelfinn

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Joined: 4/17/06
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12/01/06 8:57:02 PM#22

Originally posted by DustinHofman
This game has needed a graphical overhaul for a long time, if the developers cared for this game at all they would have done it several years back.  Unfortunately funcom is more interested in leaving the original game unfinished while they churn out expansions. Whatever cash they generate can only be used to pump into their next expansion in order to feed their  loyal base.  Meanwhile instead of spending money on improving the original world, they throw out their free trial ads all over the place to keep a large enough pool coming in just to sit around their empty world viewing ingame advertisments.  Don't get me wrong I think ingame advertising works well in a futuristic environment and I always felt the original game was very revolutionary.  I have just always been disapointed with the expansions for this game and how they seemed to rob the orginality that existed on rubi ka.  

Hmm, congratulations, you made several valid points. Too bad only one of them has a single hint of being true.

the game is far from empty
Far more of the money has been going to the three games FC has started and/or comepleted making in the past few years.
This is a small time company, finally breaking their way into the big leagues, they did not have the personell to spare to make the graphics update untill recently

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  Jaga-Arcane

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Joined: 2/02/06
Posts: 22

12/04/06 1:45:15 PM#23

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Hmm, congratulations, you made several valid points. Too bad only one of them has a single hint of being true.

the game is far from empty
Far more of the money has been going to the three games FC has started and/or comepleted making in the past few years.
This is a small time company, finally breaking their way into the big leagues, they did not have the personell to spare to make the graphics update untill recently


As you say, they didn't have the people or money to make the update until recently, but did they actually do a graphics update of any significance?  Word on the street is the money they have pulled in from in-game advertising was spent on non-AO projects.  Does that imply they are going to let it run it's course as-is and finally die, or are they going to do the same with revenues from other games and put that money back into a true AO facelift?

Having played the game fanatically in 2001 I can say at the time it was gorgeous.  I took a five year break and am back playing it again, but I can say with confidence the state of the graphics remains largely unchanged.  All of their models need updating, as does the terrain engine to some degree.

I read a rumor on the official AO forums about some significant updates in the new expansion pack this December, but who knows if those are reliable.
  Sundiver

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Joined: 9/28/04
Posts: 27

12/06/06 4:51:55 AM#24

Originally posted by Jaga-Arcane

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Hmm, congratulations, you made several valid points. Too bad only one of them has a single hint of being true.

the game is far from empty
Far more of the money has been going to the three games FC has started and/or comepleted making in the past few years.
This is a small time company, finally breaking their way into the big leagues, they did not have the personell to spare to make the graphics update untill recently


As you say, they didn't have the people or money to make the update until recently, but did they actually do a graphics update of any significance?  Word on the street is the money they have pulled in from in-game advertising was spent on non-AO projects.  Does that imply they are going to let it run it's course as-is and finally die, or are they going to do the same with revenues from other games and put that money back into a true AO facelift?

Having played the game fanatically in 2001 I can say at the time it was gorgeous.  I took a five year break and am back playing it again, but I can say with confidence the state of the graphics remains largely unchanged.  All of their models need updating, as does the terrain engine to some degree.

I read a rumor on the official AO forums about some significant updates in the new expansion pack this December, but who knows if those are reliable.


Have a look at this post by Mastablasta (link below). You should know who he is, and that he knows what he is talking about. Not snapping at you, just pointing out what he says.

Conspiracy theories

Anarchy Online is old by now, for a MMORPG game. It's difficult to say where it is going, but I come across pure newbies every day, much thanks to the froob offer. Many of them upgrade to the full version with expansions. I am not interested in other MMORPG's (I toy around with "Second Life", but then again SL is not a game in itself), so I hope AO will still be around for at least 2-3 more years.
  Jaga-Arcane

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Posts: 22

12/09/06 3:43:53 AM#25

Originally posted by Zorvan

The game is getting engine/graphic upgrades for Lost Eden expansion. That's what the last big patch and upcoming ones before LE comes out are for. To support the upgrades. They have already upgraded the servers and added new code that has greatly reduced the lag experienced in the game. They are also going for at least later directx 8.x, if not all the way to directx 9.


I'd kinda like to see where the developers have stated the graphics/physics/engine upgrades are.  I've read the entire FAQ for Lost Eden and can't see that anywhere.  There are upgrades for certain things IN the game, like tower battles, etc.  But core engine and graphics stuff..  I haven't seen mention of.  I've heard the rumor like everyone else, but I think it's just that until I read differently.

If you do have a link, please share.

  User Deleted
12/09/06 4:19:19 AM#26


Originally posted by Jaga-Arcane


Originally posted by Zorvan
The game is getting engine/graphic upgrades for Lost Eden expansion. That's what the last big patch and upcoming ones before LE comes out are for. To support the upgrades. They have already upgraded the servers and added new code that has greatly reduced the lag experienced in the game. They are also going for at least later directx 8.x, if not all the way to directx 9.
I'd kinda like to see where the developers have stated the graphics/physics/engine upgrades are.  I've read the entire FAQ for Lost Eden and can't see that anywhere.  There are upgrades for certain things IN the game, like tower battles, etc.  But core engine and graphics stuff..  I haven't seen mention of.  I've heard the rumor like everyone else, but I think it's just that until I read differently.

If you do have a link, please share.


I'll have to do some digging on the official site. Alot of the server improvements were implemented in the 16.4 patch and most of the other stuff is being added in over time up to LE's launch. I'll see what I can find and link it here for ya::::20::

Edit: I remember Sil stating a bunch of the improvements being made, but searching through his posts, let alone the rest of the site over there, is becoming a frightening task::::02::

I have started a new thread on the official forums asking for facts regarding any improvements being made before, with, and after LE's launch, so it may take a little time to get the right responses. But I will keep you informed with what I find out.::::20::

  Hypodermica

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Joined: 1/19/07
Posts: 154

1/19/07 7:33:48 AM#27
The graphics aren't beautiful, everyone can agree on that.  But let's talk about the core of the software.  I can run HL2 and get great FPS.  I play Oblivion with everything turned up and it runs great with maybe a little lag in areas with tons of plantlife.  But when I run Anarchy-Online my system crawls along.  Even with the "new" graphic resource loading system they put in place with update 16.4, it's not any better.  All they did was allow you to zone and then all the buildings/trees/etc loads a little at a time.  I still lag all the time especially when in the player cities.  It's so bad that most people re-log when they enter a city for an Alien raid.  This game lags on my system graphically and uses very old DirectX technology and I've got a great system I just built.

Anarchy Online 2 is what is needed!  The game's economy is destroyed from old exploits, pvp is all about money, and the new expansion isn't even really a true expansion but one big update with just a little content.  The new expansion added tons of new bugs that FC is trying to clean up. 

Funcom is an anal-retentive egotistical group of people who fail to recognize the problems, fail to hear the customers suggestions or wishes.  They remind me of the Bush administration.  Failure, failure, failure, and nobody takes the blame or admits to being wrong. 

Funny, how insane is it that this thread was started 3 years ago suggesting that the graphics be udpated and here we are... 3 years later... SAME SUGGESTION.  This is a suggestion that's been made a billion times in the official forums.  You should see the bug lists for each profession in the official forums.  Those lists/suggestions haven't been touched in YEARS.  lol
  Stark

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Joined: 7/21/04
Posts: 116

1/20/07 1:26:37 AM#28

This is the wrong forum for your goofy political views Hypo. You have done nothing but spew your negative attitude towards AO since you started posting here at MMORPG.com. We get it. You are disgruntled at Funcom and think AO is old. Really?

Master of the obvious winner!

If you care about the game give us a constructive opinion next time.

Otherwise maybe it's time to change your game to something you like.

  Hypodermica

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Joined: 1/19/07
Posts: 154

1/21/07 5:06:06 AM#29
Originally posted by Stark

This is the wrong forum for your goofy political views Hypo. You have done nothing but spew your negative attitude towards AO since you started posting here at MMORPG.com. We get it. You are disgruntled at Funcom and think AO is old. Really?

Master of the obvious winner!

If you care about the game give us a constructive opinion next time.

Otherwise maybe it's time to change your game to something you like.


Thanks for your delightful and absolutely positive suggestion.   Here, let me go ahead and do the whole "in-denial" thing that your doing so very well at.

Anarchy Online is a great game!! Been playing for years and years now.  It's totally bug free and it doesn't crash at all.  LE is probably the best expansion for this game to date because it adds new areas/content and very useful armor.

Everyone should try this game.  The community is full of extremely helpful adults.  The game's population is on a huge rise. 

Stark, your a smug and obtuse flamming fan-boi.  I'm trying to save people some face/time/frustration.  Like I've said in many of my posts... I LOVED this game for yeeeeaaaarrrsss lol... it was a great game at one time.  It's falling apart... call it politics.. put any paint job you want on it.  Stark probably secretly works for Funcom.  I'll buy you some kneepads, you'll need them if you continue sucking on Funcom's...
  Takai001

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Posts: 252

1/21/07 7:17:28 PM#30

Well my computer isn't awesome and I'm glad AO takes advantage of that. So fuck you.

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  ryuk

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Joined: 1/21/07
Posts: 38

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1/21/07 10:58:40 PM#31


Originally posted by Takai001
Well my computer isn't awesome and I'm glad AO takes advantage of that. So fuck you.

It's people like you that put off funcom from upgrading the graphics to begin with. Times change computers double in power every 18 months its moore's law if you don't like that fact then give up playing mmorpgs. It's time to upgrade from eniac the world isn't going to stop progress because some cheap bum can't afford new pc equipment as times make the older tech outdated. I also find it so funny that you resort to profanity when faced with this truth which just proves that your a dumb kid that needs to grow up and face the reality that things change, adapt or die.

  Croe

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Posts: 194

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1/21/07 11:19:55 PM#32
Originally posted by ryuk

 


Originally posted by Takai001
Well my computer isn't awesome and I'm glad AO takes advantage of that. So fuck you.

It's people like you that put off funcom from upgrading the graphics to begin with. Times change computers double in power every 18 months its moore's law if you don't like that fact then give up playing mmorpgs. It's time to upgrade from eniac the world isn't going to stop progress because some cheap bum can't afford new pc equipment as times make the older tech outdated. I also find it so funny that you resort to profanity when faced with this truth which just proves that your a dumb kid that needs to grow up and face the reality that things change, adapt or die.


While i can understand that not having a computer that can run all the new games is frustrating. I have to agree AO needs WAY more then a grafic overhaul it needs a Content overhaul and im not talking about missions. When thinking about this subject one must ask themself. What is there for me to do? Will i enjoy it? Ao needs a graphic overhaul as well as a content overhaul this last expansion was a joke and i personally feel ripped off. Before you say anything lemme copy paste how long i've been playing from my account page

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2004-03-11 23:21:22

Ever sence day one it seems little has changed i used to like that but now im fed up with it. i feel bad hating on my first mmo but godlee they need to get in there and do some friggin work make some solo ai missions and fix the mp's for god's sake man who will give us CI!


  Ra6611

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Joined: 7/04/06
Posts: 2

2/11/07 7:21:50 PM#33
u all keep on about the low end rigs and how upgrading ao graphics engine would give trouble playing the game how about the people like me who have paid for an high end rig (sli). when i try to play ao on my rig it takes me more than five minutes to get out of a busy area (borealis, athen ect), this makes it  impossible to play, also my son plays swg also on an sli rig he gets no probs and much better graphics, funcom thinks the euro is the same exchange rate as the dollar, IT ISN'T this means swg is $19.99 the same as oa but my son pays £9.99 we live in the u.k. ao changes the $ to euros charging 19.99 euro's and then changes the euro to gbp (great britain pounds) this costs me £13.47 at the exchange rate at the moment an extra £3.48 for crappy graphics and a less complicated game. END OF LONG MOAN !!! (not that funcom will take any notice anyway) instead of buying lost eden i will buy swg (also cheaper to buy )
  sanjiahotil

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Joined: 1/01/08
Posts: 2

1/01/08 4:59:40 PM#34

i think that there should be some improvement on the grafic of AO.

also, we should have better computers

  User Deleted
1/01/08 5:34:52 PM#35
Originally posted by sanjiahotil

i think that there should be some improvement on the grafic of AO.

also, we should have better computers

New graphics engine is slated for mid-2008, with updated artwork to be started once the new engine is fully integrated into the new servers/database which were implemented a few months back.

  Metametheus

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2/02/08 11:20:19 AM#36

From what I saw in the new engine video looks like there is a lot of focus on the water quality, and some focus on the reflectiveness of the ground and surrounding buildings, I just hope that they go after everything or most things are gonna look way out of place. Grant it the Characters could use a bit of a graphics peak, but graphics aint everything too, a little bit of physics overhaul would be nice but more than likely not gonna happen.

Im just trying to figure out what the inside of those Motherships is gonna look like, or if they're planning on altering the weather engine to compensate with those really spiffy sky pictures, aka we have lightning strikes now, I wonder what they'll look like after the new engine :)

Something else that ive been itching to wonder too about is the evolution of the NanoCrystal effects, ok yea I can see the shield and healing crystals staying the same in terms of effects, but the Nano Attacks especially when your a Nano-Technician and their all the spunk you got going for you, I dearly hope that the new graphics engine takes advantage of some decent Particle effects and a lot of nice catchy graphic enhancements that has people going into a awe so I can get more than just one or two off early after the patch lol.

  burmese

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Posts: 539

2/04/08 12:15:25 PM#37

Clearly they are getting the environment dealt with up front (Water/sky/grass).  Then all the game textures will be run thru an upgrade process to be compatible with the new engine. I would expect that to help the overall look of everything.  Sword blades, for example, may gain some reflective properties, and skin tones may look more natural.  Sil said somewhere last year that they would probably enhance nanocasting effects.  Aside from that, don't expect any changes to avatar models (maybe a few new heads to select from).

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  TenshiNoYume

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Posts: 31

2/16/08 7:08:45 PM#38

Originally posted by NoizMchn

I just want to say that AO is probably one of the best games out there if you are looking for a complex gaming environment.  However, the game is getting a bit dated and I think that it could use a complete overhaul.  Shadowlands has phenomenal graphics and the sounds are very good.  The problem is, when you go back to Rubi-Ka, you see that textures are spread too far, sounds are outdated (some of the sounds I have no idea what they are) and it just doesn't carry the "wow" factor that shadowlands does.

So, I think that if FunCom could take the time with the next "expansion" and instead of creating new areas or whatnot, just beef up the whole game.  Update the graphics engine so that there are dynamic shadow casting lights, remove the funny textured "light beams" from some of the overhead lights and put some irises in there.  Beef up the sound engine so it supports hardware acceleration and EAX.  Put some creepy echoes in there so we know that we are in an abandoned area.

Also, the models could use an update.  Instead of just re-skinning the models when you put on different armor, AO could use some multiple texture ability.  I think that by doing this, AO could remain on top.

 

Yea, instead of focuing on expansions now, now they should actually focus on the eye candy and then they should focus on the expansions, no point in having expansions that aren't purdy :.

  ABELABELAA

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4/23/08 9:35:35 PM#39
i think anrchy online is getting or has had abit of a graphic update
  Ekaros

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5/12/08 9:24:16 AM#40

Current upgrades are more to move to something where they can acctualy update things. Performance increase is main think, to move work to GPU for CPU... Likely all updates they do to effects are forced as old one's wouldn't work with new engine. Hopefully they will start to upgrade models after they get base work done.
 
AO might use faster leveling speed and bit more balancing, they are moving towards it, but still game is very grindy... Complexity is one thing they must never take away, as it is the most important factor in game, atleast for me.
 
 

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