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  SBFord

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OP  12/06/11 2:23:37 PM#1

With our brand new column here at MMORPG.com, we are reaching out to those of you who are sick and tired of the traditional high fantasy MMO. Judging by a recent study, that means we're talking to a lot of you. Check out "No Elves Allowed" to find out what exactly we're talking about here. Leave us a few of your own thoughts in the comments.

Been there. Done that. Bought the Blood Elf. Can we move on? I can see some of you surreptitiously picking up those pitchforks but I'm going to say it anyway: the genre is over saturated with gnomes. You cannot turn two steps without bumping into a scantily-dressed elf. Throw a stone and chances are you'll nail a passing princess. To abuse a time-worn trope, your personal mileage may vary on the subject matter but personally, I've had enough of fantasy. We have the technology. Let's use it.

Read more of Cassandra Khaw's No Elves Allowed: The No Elves Manifesto.

Associate Editor: MMORPG.com
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  WhiteLantern

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12/07/11 8:09:13 AM#2

Although I'm not real sure what all the rambling was about in the last 3/4 of this article, I support the "No Elves" movement.


 


 


I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  SkillCosby

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12/07/11 8:16:35 AM#3

I don't mind elves. What I do mind, however, are the constant WoW-clones and their linear/simplistic mindset.


Seriously. Battlegrounds? Redundant Raids? Linear Progression?


Mankind has landed on the moon. Do you mean to tell me that this is all we are capable of within the MMO realm?


  elocke

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12/07/11 8:17:31 AM#4

I find this article "racist" ;D


I kid, I kid.  I don't hate elves or fantasy, BUT I am ready for more diversity in my game choices.  Hence why The Secret World looks nice and juicy and games like Prime and that post apocalyptic game that I can never remember the name of, Repatriation or whatever it's called.


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  xaritscin

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"Antherea Online will see the light, eventually"

12/07/11 8:25:08 AM#5

i think you're talking about "The Repopulation"......


and about the topic, i think having the traditional races isnt bad, the problem is when they try to copy and copy the same background....


wood elves, dark elves, blood elves, high elves, night elves......


C'mon, elves can be more than just beautifull people who hugs trees or lives inside caves and enjoy the night........pff there's so many concepts....


  mbd1968

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12/07/11 8:25:52 AM#6

TLDR...  but I'm ready for a non-elf MMO to come along and blow my mind, or my socks off... whichever.

  Samhael

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Posts: 613

12/07/11 8:28:42 AM#7

Sacrilege! The FSM doesn't need a space ship! How dare you!


  Methos12

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Joined: 9/05/08
Posts: 1203

Its better to be quiet and perceived as stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

12/07/11 8:31:21 AM#8

I don't know what author was on when he wrote this, but I wouldn't say no to some of it.


Nature without Technology is little more than animals running about.
Nature without Magic is without wonder or miracle.
.........
Magic without Technology is fantasy.
Magic without Nature is formless and useless.
.........
Technology without Nature is application without understanding.
Technology without Magic is repetitious and uninventive.

  illyanya

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Joined: 8/08/08
Posts: 7

Chaos Rules All!!!!

12/07/11 8:35:21 AM#9

i dont support it one bit since i am an elf and all you haters out there need to get with reallity and see. considering most nerds and gamers fall under the three demographics or races. your either a boring peace loving yet war starting human, a hyper nerd with ego issues aka elf, or your someone that like building stuf are short and enjoys mayhem thus gnome or dwarf.


  Alders

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I cannot fiddle but I can make a great state of a small city.

12/07/11 8:36:31 AM#10

Elves don't bother me, as long as certain names and variants of those names, are automatically rejected.


  drowelf

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Joined: 5/25/04
Posts: 102

12/07/11 8:39:56 AM#11

sure and get rid of fighters, mages. tanks, dps archers and the rest and play chess, sure why not.


 


  Rohn

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12/07/11 8:39:59 AM#12

I've been reading fantasy novels for over 35 years.  I haven't gotten tired of it in that time, so the pittance of time represented by existence of MMOs is barely a blip, and hasn't done anything to damage my interest in the genre.


Of course, I like other types of games and fiction as well, but I think the little backlash against all things fantasy I've seen over the last couple of years is nothing more than mildly amusing.


Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  Clerigo

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Healing Over Time since 2004

12/07/11 8:42:45 AM#13
Originally posted by precious328

I don't mind elves. What I do mind, however, are the constant WoW-clones and their linear/simplistic mindset.


Seriously. Battlegrounds? Redundant Raids? Linear Progression?


Mankind has landed on the moon. Do you mean to tell me that this is all we are capable of within the MMO realm?

 

100% well said.

  Blasphim

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Joined: 8/31/11
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Darkness is Death's ignorance, and the Devil's time

12/07/11 8:46:26 AM#14

Elves don't bother me much...it's the portrayal of a certain type of elf that does. The daisy eating, tree hugging, leaf wearing, glitter skinned elves bother me. If an MMO had some cigar smoking, gun toting, jeans and workboots wearin, smudged up kind of elf, I don't think it'd bother me at all (dear MMO gods, please let some AAA dev pick up the Shadowrun license).

  Talthanys

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12/07/11 8:46:39 AM#15

Elves, as a concept, are fine. It is the lack of variety in their depictions that are the problem. Culture, physiology, attunement to magic...these are the things that change very little between games/literature within the fantasy genre.


Think Poison Elves. Feral elves. Human-hating, blood-drinking savages standing at a towering 8 feet tall with the strength of ten men wielding weapons made out of the bodies of the last village they razed to the ground.


  casskhaw

Novice Member

Joined: 11/27/11
Posts: 19

12/07/11 8:48:39 AM#16

@methos12 She! Not he! And blame it on far too much coffee. 


Also, in general, this would probably make far more sense if I had remembered to link to the corresponding games. That said, I totally recommend checking out Die2nite. It's a pretty nifty game: http://www.die2nite.com/


  Dren_Utogi

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12/07/11 8:49:09 AM#17

keep making decision or assumption like this and you will find youself with narrow veiwpoint on what a world could be in a mmorpg. The one thing about an mmo, it should never be defined, that is up to the player.  The first step of building an real mmo is character creation. IT has to be limitless. Once you got that done, start on the game world. Call me in 10 years and I will guide you the rest of the way.


reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  casskhaw

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Posts: 19

12/07/11 8:49:58 AM#18

Originally posted by Blasphim

Elves don't bother me much...it's the portrayal of a certain type of elf that does. The daisy eating, tree hugging, leaf wearing, glitter skinned elves bother me. If an MMO had some cigar smoking, gun toting, jeans and workboots wearin, smudged up kind of elf, I don't think it'd bother me at all (dear MMO gods, please let some AAA dev pick up the Shadowrun license).



 


All sorts of YES. 


  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

12/07/11 8:53:52 AM#19

I bet his first proper piece is about SWTOR, and that it is gushing and coincides with that launch.


  casskhaw

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12/07/11 8:55:14 AM#20

Originally posted by vesavius

I bet his first proper piece is about SWTOR, and that it is gushing and coincides with that launch.





 


 



.. actually, it's a toss-up between Fallen Earth and Shin Megami Tenshei Online



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