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  RizelStar

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2/20/12 1:45:19 PM#21
Originally posted by PieRad

TERA won't save anything, that's for sure...

It's fun for a while, but other than the sluggish combat, it reminded me of Aion.

The restriction to movement while performing an ability makes the Action part slow and annoying, for me.

 

I'm not saying any of the others will be a godsend, but hopefully more fun than TERA.

 

Gonna try GW2, purely because of the no-sub model, not super excited about it, but you never know.

TSW is another one that I'm waiting for, I know it's from failcom, but the theme of TSW, and the whole puzzle like nature of the game is what makes me interested.

PlanetSide2 is another one that I'm looking forward to try, never played PS1, but after researching PS2 a bit, and me being from the FPS genre, this looks to be what an MMOFPS should be, but again, we'll see.

And I will be trying ArcheAge when it hits EU/NA, but that will probably not happen anytime soon.

 

I don't think 1 game will shake the whole genre and 'save' it, I think that devs and game companies are slowly realising that there is beginning to be a bigger demand on freedom, tools, and social features, but that doesn't mean that game companies can just instantly drop what they are doing and give us what we want the day after, things take time.

 

In a couple of years I think we will start seeing more sandboxy games being announced, but no way to be sure of it.

 

Best of luck to all of you, hope you find your ultimate time killer :)

 

Oh yea Plantside 2 looks like it'ss save the MMOFPS genre for sure.

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  User Deleted
2/20/12 1:45:25 PM#22

To answer the thread question, No.

 

You people are acting like the MMO genre needs saving in the first place. Even if they did both GW2 and TERA are themepark games but heres the kicker, their more twitched based then say WoW or RIFT. 

The people on this forum reminded me of paultards, never failing to remind me that the MMO genre is doomed unless GW2/TERA/AA/TSW comes in a changes everything, sometimes even for the worse (TERA being grindy, GW2 having no mounts ,OwPvP or dualing.). 

  neuronomad

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OP  2/20/12 1:57:07 PM#23

Nice responses and I had forgotten all about ArcheAge which does show a lot of promise.   I was hopeful in regards to The Secret World but as it gets closer and there just hasn't been a lot of info as of late that I am a bit worried.

k-Tera failing does worry me a bit, but then again games that are a hit here often fail there and  likewise the other way so I am holding out hope.

Guild Wars 2 may not be the second coming but I think it is the best chance to ring in a new crop of MMO gamers while managing to hold on to oldies like myself that have grown tired of games repeating the same formuas over and over.  WoW/EQ clones.

The thing is that I want to play for the social aspect but lately games have failed to deliver on that as they once did.   Hopefully Guild Wars 2 events will help resolve this.   But then again Warhammer Public Quest and RIFT's rifts were nice attempts to bring together players on paper, but in function you just have a bunch of people usually teaming up with no communication and then just moving on.  

Of course there isn't going to be one game that is fun for everyone.  But so far GW2 looks like it will be able to keep PVPers happy, casuals happy, PVEers happy, RPers happy as well as Hardcore players.  

The genre of course will not die, but I am wondering if it will start to fade away back to a smaller niche genre.

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  Classicstar

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2/20/12 1:59:34 PM#24

None will safe the genre or need it to be safed?

But the big question is need it be safed do they want to be safed?

I think it don't need to be safed becouse 90% of whole mmo community in the world want mmo's that currently make up bulk of games dominating mmo scene.

Only a small percentage(realy small percentage dont think your voicing the majority guys) are negative and think mmo scene need to be safed me included.

I have no hope anytime soon anything will change but i belong to small group that are not happy with how the mmo scene develops. Nobody at moment is interested in these few who are unhappy with mmo's on market at moment.

And i see constantly same trend here everytime majority follow next big thing and hype hype hype. SWTOR is released so now all you mmo junks start hyping guilwars 2 lol your all so predictable:)

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  Eir_S

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2/20/12 2:01:18 PM#25
Originally posted by forest-nl

SWTOR is released so now all you mmo junks start hyping guilwars 2 lol your all so predictable:)

GW2 was already the most eagerly awaited game on this site before SWTOR was even in beta.

  Mardukk

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2/20/12 2:01:27 PM#26
Originally posted by neuronomad

Nice responses and I had forgotten all about ArcheAge which does show a lot of promise.   I was hopeful in regards to The Secret World but as it gets closer and there just hasn't been a lot of info as of late that I am a bit worried.

k-Tera failing does worry me a bit, but then again games that are a hit here often fail there and  likewise the other way so I am holding out hope.

Guild Wars 2 may not be the second coming but I think it is the best chance to ring in a new crop of MMO gamers while managing to hold on to oldies like myself that have grown tired of games repeating the same formuas over and over.  WoW/EQ clones.

The thing is that I want to play for the social aspect but lately games have failed to deliver on that as they once did.   Hopefully Guild Wars 2 events will help resolve this.   But then again Warhammer Public Quest and RIFT's rifts were nice attempts to bring together players on paper, but in function you just have a bunch of people usually teaming up with no communication and then just moving on.  

Of course there isn't going to be one game that is fun for everyone.  But so far GW2 looks like it will be able to keep PVPers happy, casuals happy, PVEers happy, RPers happy as well as Hardcore players.  

The genre of course will not die, but I am wondering if it will start to fade away back to a smaller niche genre.

I'm not entirely sure that GW2 is for hardcore PvEers.  Maybe the only group that could be left out though.

 

Archeage is the game I'm seeing as the next big thing.

  SirBalin

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2/20/12 2:02:28 PM#27

Depends on what you are looking for...to the pver's and the pvpers that are more casual pvpers...i'd say guild wars is the one.  I'm more a hardcore sandbox type of guy...the closest thing for us is tera.  Still Tera isn't a sandbox though.  I prefer that sandbox total freedom to do what I want and pvp waht I want. 

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  Spiider

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2/20/12 2:05:29 PM#28

No. Both games bring nothing revolutionary to the market.

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  User Deleted
2/20/12 2:07:35 PM#29
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by forest-nl

SWTOR is released so now all you mmo junks start hyping guilwars 2 lol your all so predictable:)

GW2 was already the most eagerly awaited game on this site before SWTOR was even in beta.

By what messure?

 

  Eir_S

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2/20/12 2:08:31 PM#30
Originally posted by Snaylor47
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by forest-nl

SWTOR is released so now all you mmo junks start hyping guilwars 2 lol your all so predictable:)

GW2 was already the most eagerly awaited game on this site before SWTOR was even in beta.

By what messure?

 

Hype on the front page.  My point was, "we" did not start hyping GW2 after or because of SWTOR.

  Reizla

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2/20/12 2:18:59 PM#31
Originally posted by Xasapis

The Secret World holds as much interest in my opinion as the other two. This is a good year for MMOs, that seem to bring something different to the table. And by different, I don't mean a complete revamp of the MMO formula as we know it. However, for me, if you can say that X MMORPG is like Y, except it has this and that, it is a good enough reason to try it out.

We're hearing that it's a good year for MMOs the last 4 years and so far nothing really good has been released. But this year I indeed thing it might be a good year.

TERA looks promising, IF EnMasse/Frogster will use some criminal rule-set on the PvP servers (or we'll see an other AoC happen with gankers everywhere in lowbee areas)

GW2 might be interesting (not realy followed that one) because of it's WvWvW that's incorporated for resources. Nifty thing IMO!

TSW - not sure... It's FunCom and I'm no fan of them after their failed promises for AoC and personally I don't like the setting it's in. But I can imagine some ppl might be typed by it

 

Bottom line, I think indeed TERA and GW2 might be 2 to make a good impact on the market. For myself, I'm leaning towares TERA if there will be a criminal rule-set. If not, then I'll try my luck with GM2 (just saw the 3 city movies and I was impressed)

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  Garvon3

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2/20/12 2:22:11 PM#32

GW2 maybe.

TERA, no. There's nothing in TERA that's new.

Secret World? No. Funcom. They've outright lied about games before (Age of Conan) so I'll wait until this ones launched before even considering being excited about it.

  ShakyMo

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2/20/12 2:24:52 PM#33
While these games don't have a feature set like the various wow clones, some of them do have things in common with each other, especially gw2 and tsw -
Similar combat, using lots of movement, active dodging etc..
Gw2 events / tsw monster ecology & invasions
Rvr style pvp
Easy teaming and reversed gear curve compared to your wow style mmo - e.g. progress vertically at start, progress horizontally later.
  ShakyMo

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2/20/12 2:28:13 PM#34
Gw2 has been top of the hype league here since before swtor launch

Archeage and tsw were also above swtor
  Kuro1n

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2/20/12 2:41:58 PM#35

As much as I like both Tera and GW2 I really dont think they are going to change jack shit honestly, AA might do some change but nothing much either, the genre is pretty much set for what it is and I believe its hardly the games that became more boring its just that we vets became more bitter and harder to please and the studios dont see much to gain by doing so.

  neuronomad

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OP  2/20/12 5:23:34 PM#36

Someone mentioned Planetside 2.  I forgot that it is supposed to come out this year too.  I guess I have just been let down so many times over the past few years and spent way, way too much money on MMOs that failed.  From Warhammer Online, Tabula Rasa, and of late SWTOR each held what I thought was going to be so much potential only to see that potential fail to come anywhere near what was hyped.

I guess I have just become jaded.  Oh well I have dozens and dozens of single player games that I have bought over the past few years that I haven't even really touched so if GW2 and/or TERA fail I may just move on.  But in the back of my mind I long for those days of old when I enjoyed UO and even vanilla WoW.   

Of course a lot of it in my case is trying to scale back my playtime.  And with a six year old who loves attention I just don't have the time like I used to.   Gone are the days I was able to spend 30 minutes finding a group, another 30 to get a run started and so on, only to see groups break apart and have to spend 30 more minutes waiting for this or that class.

That is why I am so hopeful about GW2 and the lack of need for a dedicated tank or healer.  Maybe it will be easier to run random groups like days of old.

One of the problems I have is being torn between loving instance/raid finders and despising them.  Sure they seem like a good idea but if you decide one night not to run as a tank or healer then you are going to spend a ton of time in queues.  I hope GW2 will help change this.   Call it selfish but I want to be able to play a game where I can be a part of a group, yet living and dying is more up to my skillset and not that of someone else.   Also that way each person is accountable for themselves and what they do.  

We've all been there in a party that the majority of the players know their part yet we wipe over and over again just because of one player.  Maybe a tank that doesn't know how to aggro, a healer that lets the tank die because they decided to DPS instead of heal, or the DPS that got cocky and pulled extra mobs.   I know that is part of the fun, but it is also part of the bane of MMOs as well.   So I like the idea of dumping the trinity in GW2 and each player being more accountable for themselves.  To me it sounds like in GW2 that a player that dies will not be able to say "hey it was the tanks fault" or "learn to heal noob" or such as everyone plays an equal part in the overall wellfare of the party.

 

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  Otomox

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2/20/12 6:08:11 PM#37

GW 2, TERA and TSW are on a good way to bring back variety.

  StonesDK

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2/20/12 6:37:10 PM#38

I'm more curious about when people on this site will learn, it's a never ending cycle of disappoitments. Everytime a new triple A MMO is close to release, people put there hopes in it, hoping it will be the savior of MMOs.

 

It never happens. Once you are over the Tera/GW2 fad you will be back here posting about the next new MMO.

 

WAR was suppose to be the PvP savior of MMOs. AoC was supposed to be the innovation that was going to being MMOs back to greatness .. It just keeps going on and on and on.

 

I think it's time to wake up and be realistic

  hardcorer

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2/20/12 8:58:13 PM#39

MMOs don't need to be saved, they need innovation and fresh blood.

Looking for good ARPGs!

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2/20/12 9:03:33 PM#40

In the case of Guild Wars 2 ....

If you are new to MMOs you will be blown away.

If you are a veteran player you will be thanking the MMO Gods for an amazing game full of experience and more importantly the return of epic PvP. 

This game really is a step above everything we have seen in the last 5 years of MMOs. It is truly awesome. 

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