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  jairus

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1/18/12 7:38:34 AM#221
Originally posted by outfctrl

Interesting.

A few people brought this up in the off topic, but the thread was locked for being political.  Now it is up for discussion in News Discussion?

Funny.  I guess what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.

 

we have a winner.

 

how many people here where given warnings for political content being agaist the rules of conduct and now they post this on thier front page news.

bunch of hypocrites.

  gilgamesh9

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1/18/12 8:13:55 AM#222

Damn right it should be.  The MPAA and RIAA spent over a half billion dollars to buy both political parties for that crap.


  fenistil

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1/18/12 8:54:30 AM#223

Of course SOPA and PIPA (another piece of legislation trash trying to be push atm as well, it is more or less same as SOPA) should be totally trashed.


  fenistil

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1/18/12 8:58:16 AM#224

Originally posted by jairus


Originally posted by outfctrl


Interesting.


A few people brought this up in the off topic, but the thread was locked for being political.  Now it is up for discussion in News Discussion?


Funny.  I guess what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.


 



we have a winner.


 


how many people here where given warnings for political content being agaist the rules of conduct and now they post this on thier front page news.


bunch of hypocrites.



 


+1


 


Things like SOPA and PIPA affect mmorpg gaming directly so should not be 'shunned off' as a 'polical'.  It is not talk about War or health care or taxes after all.


 


Besies giving warning and closing off topics and then creating news by yourselfs just because it got 'loud and fashionable in internetz' is LAME and make mmorpg.com creditibility BAD thing.


So mmorpg.com staff , watch out next time. Review your policies if necessary.


  Brenelael

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1/18/12 9:16:19 AM#225
Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by jairus


Originally posted by outfctrl


Interesting.


A few people brought this up in the off topic, but the thread was locked for being political.  Now it is up for discussion in News Discussion?


Funny.  I guess what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.


 


we have a winner.


 


how many people here where given warnings for political content being agaist the rules of conduct and now they post this on thier front page news.


bunch of hypocrites.



 

+1


 


Things like SOPA and PIPA affect mmorpg gaming directly so should not be 'shunned off' as a 'polical'.  It is not talk about War or health care or taxes after all.


 


Besies giving warning and closing off topics and then creating news by yourselfs just because it got 'loud and fashionable in internetz' is LAME and make mmorpg.com creditibility BAD thing.


So mmorpg.com staff , watch out next time. Review your policies if necessary.

Yeah, I was the first to post about this here weeks ago and although I wasn't given any type of punishment my thread was locked for being too 'political'. After several PM's between a MMORPG staff member and myself and several others(Who will remain nameless to protect their privacy) I was told it was too political in nature and would never be allowed here. Now here we are discussing it in the News Section?

 

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  Scalebane

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Posts: 2240

1/18/12 9:39:49 AM#226

Won't be watching E3 this year either since the ESA is supporting SOPA/PIPA

E3 can die in a fire now.

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  Donev

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Joined: 11/13/11
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1/18/12 9:44:33 AM#227

I like pie. 

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  User Deleted
1/18/12 10:12:51 AM#228
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by jairus


Originally posted by outfctrl


Interesting.


A few people brought this up in the off topic, but the thread was locked for being political.  Now it is up for discussion in News Discussion?


Funny.  I guess what's good for the Goose is not good for the Gander.


 


we have a winner.


 


how many people here where given warnings for political content being agaist the rules of conduct and now they post this on thier front page news.


bunch of hypocrites.



 

+1


 


Things like SOPA and PIPA affect mmorpg gaming directly so should not be 'shunned off' as a 'polical'.  It is not talk about War or health care or taxes after all.


 


Besies giving warning and closing off topics and then creating news by yourselfs just because it got 'loud and fashionable in internetz' is LAME and make mmorpg.com creditibility BAD thing.


So mmorpg.com staff , watch out next time. Review your policies if necessary.

Yeah, I was the first to post about this here weeks ago and although I wasn't given any type of punishment my thread was locked for being too 'political'. After several PM's between a MMORPG staff member and myself and several others(Who will remain nameless to protect their privacy) I was told it was too political in nature and would never be allowed here. Now here we are discussing it in the News Section?

 

Bren

It's the second news article on SOPA. They made the first shortly after those threads got locked.  I'd say those threads helped bring attention to the subject on this site and how it could effect it.  Add in emails, all the other gaming sites voicing their opinions, and news articles that are all over the place.  MMORPG.com is still sticking to their guns and these two news topics are the only place to discuss SOPA.

The fact that they came to realize just how important these bills are is a good thing and fueling discussion on it/ them is great.

 

  Soldier101

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1/18/12 10:18:14 AM#229
  Novusod

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1/18/12 10:35:40 AM#230

SOPA absolutely must be stopped.

Protect IP Act PIPA must also die.

This is all politics. Politics getting out of control. But remember politicans have names and we elect them. They are not dictators. They can be voted out. We the people need to wake up and Vote these criminal politicians out. If you are over 18 you need to Register to Vote and then Vote in the election to get rid of the these guys.

Don't let a bunch of stupid old men ruin the Internet. Write these guys names down and vote them out.

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX)  SOPA supporter

Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT)  PIPA supporter

Full list of stupid and corupt old men in congress and the bribes they took. Please VOTE these criminals out of office. Your Vote Does makes a difference.

Also in the Presidential election there has been only one Candidate that has openly spoken out against SOPA and PIPA.

The Man is RON PAUL. Vote for Ron Paul in 2012 he is the only one can Save the Internet.

  freegames

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Posts: 158

1/18/12 10:52:48 AM#231

Since the US basically owns sites like .com and .net this will affect more sites than most expect.


Politics - the opposite of innovation


  halobump

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1/18/12 11:22:25 AM#232

Sopa already failed, they pulled out yesterday. Pipa still want to have a go?


  Vagelisp

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1/18/12 1:42:47 PM#233

I don't know how SOPA will achieve this goal. Most internet sites are implicitly related to each other, with a few clicks you can navigate from fusion reactors to vegeterian noodles. Even worse the content of a web page may alter dynamically thus it may display infringing content or not from time to time. If SOPA goes that deep it may force existing web sites to monitor their content but this seems an impossible task to me, especially for sites that have forums and addon robots, like this one.

  miteshu

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1/18/12 1:46:02 PM#234

SOPA won't kill piracy at all. It will remain ineffective while effectively screwing everyone else over. 

 

If there was a bill that effectively stop piracy that the experts agree with and has little effect on the people and the internet, then that bill is the one we should be looking for.

  Leodious

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1/18/12 1:51:11 PM#235


Originally posted by troublmaker
There is no such thing as an unrestricted freedom or rights.  Many Americans think they have it, but they do not.Take for example this classic case.  It is the middle of the night and I'm in a Jewish neighborhood.  As an expression of my freedom of speech I yell at the top of my lunges "THE HOLOCAUST IS A LIE BUT IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YOU KILLED JESUS!"  Now I keep repeating this obscenity over and over and over and over.  I do it from 12AM to 8AM.  At this point I decide to go home and sleep.Am I really so free to do this?  Would you as a citizen of the United States really ALLOW me to violate someone like this to protect MY freedom?Of course not.

We know there is no such thing as totally free speech, but some things go too far, and this law very obviously does. If you read the law, I don't see how anyone could miss it.


As for your quote up there, that's actually legal in America. The only reason you would be arrested is if, because it was the middle of the night, you were arrested for disturbing the peace. If you did that exact same thing during the day and didn't use a megaphone or something, it'd be totally legal.

That's right. It's legal to yell at Jews that the holocaust never happened, but it would be illegal to keep them awake while doing it.

My point is this: Laws usually say specific things, but when there is any room for interpretation, different people are always going to have different ideas. This is why things have changed with different Justices in the Supreme Court. New people had new interpretations of the law. A law like this one can be interpreted to mean they can shut down any website (from the vast majority of people, who don't usually know how to bypass DNS blocking), for almost any reason. And on most sites, this one included, someone could post something, knowing it broke the law, and thereby forcing that website down. People could attack this site, or Youtube, or really any website with user-submitted content, and those sites would be taken down, through no fault of their own.

It is a poorly written law, and even if it had been written well, would not have gotten to the heart of this issue, which is this: Pirates are costing people money.

It is too easy, and even with this law, would remain too easy, for people to pirate. That is why most people do it. There is no challenge in doing it, and so why pay, or even waste time leaving your house to go buy something, when you can download it and have it for free in ten minutes? Until you stop that, pirates won't stop. And even if you could, they won't stop.

Criminals won't stop doing crime. They are criminals. This is as stupid as shutting down a gun store because someone who murdered someone bought their gun there. Or shutting down a sporting goods store because someone bought there the tools they needed to commit a robbery.

It's madness. It is complete and utter madness. I really don't see how anyone could disagree with me if they have actually read the law.

"There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

— John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  Scalebane

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1/18/12 2:30:45 PM#236

hahaha look at how all the people are acting because wikipedia blacked out...this is comedy gold right here lmao!

https://twitter.com/#!/herpderpedia

 

guy is showing what people are tweeting hahaha

"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas

  nycplayboy78

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1/18/12 2:35:44 PM#237

YES!!!!! SOPA and PIPA both need to be stopped in their tracks...If the content providers are so worried about piracy and what not then why not attack the pirates source of income the banks that they use and so forth. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on October 12, 1998, by a unanimous vote in the United States Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended Title 17 of the United States Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of the providers of on-line services for copyright infringement by their users. On May 22, 2001, the European Union passed the Copyright Directive or EUCD, which addresses some of the same issues as the DMCA. The DMCA's principal innovation in the field of copyright, the exemption from direct and indirect liability of internet service providers and other intermediaries (Title II of the DMCA), was separately addressed, and largely followed, in Europe by means of the separate Electronic Commerce Directive. (Unlike U.S. federal laws and regulations, the execution of European Union directives usually requires separate legislation by or within each of the Union's member countries.)

You see we already have laws and treaties in place that address the issue of piracy, copyright infringement, and intellectual property. All the Government needs to do is enforce the laws that are already on the books....SIGH!!!!

  jerithjade

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1/18/12 2:42:18 PM#238

SOPA is a bad idea, it needs to be stopped, and if anyone says otherwise, it's because they either a) have money involved in SOPA; or b) they have been lied to and need a severe lesson in truth.

  Eir_S

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1/18/12 3:11:40 PM#239

Some doofus on here once told me that they don't need to worry about SOPA because they're not a thief.  It had to be the best example of gross ignorance I've seen on the subject.

  Eir_S

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1/18/12 3:13:18 PM#240
Originally posted by Halo-Bump

Sopa already failed, they pulled out yesterday. Pipa still want to have a go?

It didn't fail completely, it's just been shelved and scheduled for a "rewrite".  The big companies will try to get the gov't to slip it past us sometime in the future, but with people watching these bills like a hawk now, it won't be easy.

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