Originally posted by erinys

so i dinged level 12

the second i did that, everything i owned was gone.
all my armor, everything in my inventory and all my money was/is gone :s

i didnt log in or out.. just dinged..WTF

CSR said there was nothing they could do..

my account is cancelled, if you cant even trust the items you have in your posession this isnt the game for  me..

I call BULL$H!T, and here's why.

Originally posted by erinys

why is that? i dont even play that game nor intend to buy it.. just beta;d it

1 thing they DID do well is performance, wich Vanguard hasnt

Vanguard is a BETTER game then lotro imho, but if it runs so badly that you cannot even play it normally despise all the good stuff , its a game-breaker isnt it?

This post, among others by erinys, was posted March 29th. First you make a thread bashing Vanguard saying it's unplayable, and then a week later you tell us you're playing and dinged 12 and instantly lost all your gear? Either way, you're lying in one of these posts. Which one is it?

Originally posted by xAlrythx

If what he says is true, then they should have pulled the plug a long time ago.

EDIT: To say WoW and LotRO online are 'flat looking' is just absurd. I will take my colourful, art inspired, running on average machines, gorgeous, non-plastic looking graphics over VG's plastic, uncolourful, washed-out looking, uninspired, looks nothing like realism, poor optimised graphics anyday.

I must say I think the graphics in LotRO are just fantastic, but Vanguard still blows it away if you have the system. Thing is, LotRO plays so flawlessly in comparison that it is much easier to play LotRO than Vanguard. However, Vanguard is a much deeper experience than LotRO. It is a very tought decision for me which game to go with. If LotRO was just a bit more challenging it would be a very easy choice, but I just can't see myself sticking with JUST LotRO. I will have to play both to get my fix.

Originally posted by Mars505
Good poll. Now we have a very rough idea how many are playing.

Or, how many people that frequent this forum who are just trolling.

This thread is as valid as any other, and LotR fans need not defend the add as Superman0x did not once bereate the game or it's developers. He made concise points which were logical and correct in every way. I find it sad that the fans had to attack him in the way they did, and quite sorry for the people who tried to participate in a verbal assault on him. Sorry, because he is smarter than each and every one of his detractors.

And as for this thread deterring people from playing LotRO, that is simply not true, at least for anyone intelligent who reads things and makes objective decisions. This thread has made me decide to pre-order the game by merit of some of the screenshots that were posted in the thread. The graphics are insane!

Also, they changed the adds. Superman0X was right. I know it hurts but perhaps you will be able to go on with your lives.

Originally posted by Lidane
lame quest writing

I think that is so unfair. I really like the quest writing in Vanguard; it's full of humor, tragedy and intrigue. WIth your 10 days played I don't think you're really in a solid position to call the quests lame. Would that be fair to say, or do you believe 10 days is enough to give a fair judgement of the quest writing in Vanguard?

Originally posted by mightyfc

its soulbound ud know that if you actually played...  and the post isnt even close to a "omg fix it cry" just another post to try and warn others not to waste money on this crap

 

atleast its obvious now why MS dropped it they smelled the flop early on

Most items in Vanguard are not soulbound until you choose to make them soulbound which YOU would know if YOU played it long enough.

Originally posted by Markaj

Get ready for some "But I am having loads of fun. It should be you" posts

I know it is strange that some people really seem to be having some emotions they describe as "fun" over the tragedy you just wrote.

I know it might sound crazy, but everyone in the world might not be exactly like you. We all like different things, and I think you are just as insane for not thinking Vanguard rocks as you think I am for liking it.

I emplore you to expand your understanding of the world to include a place in your psyche that allows other people to enjoy things you dislike.

To the O.P., good luck in the next game you choose.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by gavin2050

Gannon, it was intentional, but also truthful. 

Do the viral marketers get some sort of handbook and a badge?

SWG ruined your personality, but there is still hope for a normal life. Eat right and get some excercise, you will feel much better. Also, cut out the weed, or at least cut it in half. The conspiracy theories will dissipate accordingly.

Some people, as crazy as it sounds, love Vanguard for what it is despite it's problems. Open up your closed mind and try and accept it.

Originally posted by godpuppet
As much as you may hate to believe it, WoW has changed the industry.

Prior to WoW the default system to leveling was the mob grind. Endless hours of mindless 'camping' in the hope of getting a tiny percentage of XP. For many, Blizzard put the 'fun' back into MMO. Today the quest system has been adopted by all MMO's and it is now the favored method of progression by those both new to the industry and those veteran.

WoW has its faults, but I give credit where it is due. Blizzards dedication to pushing out a 'ready' product was examplary and has caused todays game companys to reconsider their direction. Before WoW it was normality for MMO's to be released in tragic states and to continue its 'Beta' phase well into retail. WoW's 8 million subscriber success has proved in numbers to the men in suits, that prolonged and invested development results in huge success. We are beginining to see the results of Blizzards labour with titles such as Warhammer and Age of Conan...


While I do agree, the level of inteligence behind some posters threads is embarassing. Comparing MMO's is like comparing Beer to Wine.

This is your take on it, and one that is widely held. I have a different opinion, however.

Before WoW, games were different. While you think Blizzard was dedicated to pushing out a "ready" product, I have a different take on it. I think Blizzard changed the industry by putting out a game with a hugely known intellectual property with a highly recognizable name, yesterday's graphics and gameplay "borrowed" from all previous MMORPG's. Solid to be sure, but with very little innovation and an embarrasingly repetitive end game.

Companies who do try and put out games with leading edge graphics and innovative gameplay will just not see the level of success Blizzard has attained with World of Warcraft. Why should anyone bother to make an MMORPG that is truly great when they can pump something out with pretty, low poly colorfully bloomy graphics, easy 1-2-3 quests and hand-me-down gameplay?

Yeah, Blizzard sure did change the industry. Definitely for the worse in this cowboys opinion.

Originally posted by Shoal

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by daemon

Originally posted by swil7581

I have player most mmorpg's and I can say that Vanguard is the best out there at the moment.  Better than WOW?  U bet. Most people complain about the grind.  All mmorpg's have grind.

 

Anyway.. I love it.. so will you..

best at what? get real seriously :)
i bet it wont pass 2 mil users ever in its life.

Lawl it wont ever hit 200k subs

QFT

Some people do have issues with their 8800's definitely. Check out the video tweaks thread stickied at the top of this section to give your performance a boost. Also, the only way to get AA is by going into your video cards control panel and forcing it from there. However I don't recommend it: when I force AA, I can't see some NPC names and some textures will be blank. Just play with the jaggies for now. Even with the jaggies Vanguard still looks better than most every MMO out there.

Originally posted by Ligi

I am enjoying the game and I am having fun.

Also, I think the release couldnt go worse (3 months sooner and at same time as wow expasnion) but from now on it can only get better.

I think VG and EQ2 are very similar about subscriptions and initial criticism. EQ2 had very serious performance issues at release also.

Look at EQ2 now, its getting better re-reviews now at same time as alot of players are retrying it now.

I think VG will walk a similar path and in a year it will be one of the most interesting mmorpgs on the market and will have a fair subscription ( around 500 000)

On a side note, I can understand why some people are so disapointed with VG and I can respect that, but in all my sincerity the future isnt as dark as some might think 

I agree with your post, as I too can understand some peoples dissapointment. I happen to enjoy the game in it's current state and have a good little guild to group and shoot the breeze with. There is much work to be done, but it gets better with every patch and heck I was loving it 2 months before launch anyway.

I tried playing LotRO, but I just couldn't handle the low polygon graphics and the simplistic hand-holding in the first few levels. Perhaps I will venture back at release, as I really would like to save Mordor, but for now no other MMORPG gives me the depth and grit that Vanguard has.

Originally posted by ukforze

"why would anyone who likes the game sit in forum(s) with us bored ppls who cancelled?"
...Recruiting for a group cos the games empty

Also, why, if LotRO is so great are IT'S fans sitting in the forum of a game they don't even like? It's the actual answer to your question too. Because we aren't at home, we're bored at work on our lunch breaks.

As an aside, LotRO is probably about 1/10th the size of Vanguard, correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously easier to polish up a honda than a Yacht. Oh btw Vanguard has boats that you can craft and pilot.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

I do like the ability to have offensive and defensive targets.... of course, I liked the same thing in anarchy online about 4 years ago.  The only real problem I have with the system in Vanguard is that it doesn't auto-target self.  If I have no defensive target, heals should apply to me... without me having to select myself.

As far as healers go overall.. I didn't like the fact that they are all close range combat characters.  When I play a healer, I prefer to be a ranged caster, so I can stand back and watch the tanks do their job while I do mine.  I know some people might like the close range combat healers, but it wasn't for me.

They fixed that a while ago. If you have no target, beneficial spells now auto-target self.

47) Mekalia-Gnome starting city. It is just a marvel to set eyes upon.

48) Leth Nurae-High elf starting city. It is the most beautiful city I have ever seen in any video game ever, and I have played them all since pong.

49) Cail Braeil (spelling?)-Wood Elf starting city. It makes Kelethin look like a tree fort.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by pablo0713
Well, according to Sigil, these numbers come from people who have resubscribed.  Dog the game all you want, it is still a good game and many people who play soon come to realize that the negativity posted about this game in forums isn't always true, or simply exaggerated. Grats to Sigil as this game truly freaking rocks!

Oh, and yeah, VG does have realistically beautiful graphics. It is ashame that you have to do some personal tweaking of the game and perhaps your OS, but if you make the effort to do so, you will be greatly rewarded. I can get this game to run in highest quality render settings at 1600 x1050. My jaw is dropping constantly, especially in Qalia, beautiful beautiful deserts indeed! And no, I don't have an 8800, just a simple 7600GS and a low end multi-core processor (oh, and 3gigers!).

 

'Realistically beautiful graphics'? Thats like saying a two year old child's play doh man is a realistically beautiful sculpture. Performance issues aside, my computer could run the game at max graphics and it still didnt manage to impress. EQ2 is 2 years old and the max setting graphics still blow Vanguard away.

Yes, realistically beautiful.

Originally posted by faldlou

I got Vanguard and it ran poorly on my PC P4 2.8 1G ram 6800GXT constant crippling frame rate drops on balanced settings. I will not give up on this game have waited to long for it, can not let it go. I am buying a new DELL PC XPS 410 Core Duo 2.66, 2g ram Nvidia 8800 GTX  will this run it smoothly on High settings?

Yes, that new system will just munch Vanguard on highest quality, but you will likely have to do some tweaking. Check the stickied thread at the top of this forum regarding video tweaks that worked. If you can't figure it out, pm me and I'll help.

Originally posted by random11
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.

VG is no force at all, by the time it could get its act together (could, not will, after all potential might turn out to be 0, as it did in the past for VG) there will be other, better players on the field. AoC and WAR are just 2, I think even Tabula Rasa and G&H will do better, while LotRO is already a bigger success.

You guys took the troll bait, hook line and sinker. LotRO already a bigger success?? It isn't out yet lol although I believe based on the IP and the quality of the beta that it will be a great success.

Even you two with all your hatred of Vanguard must admit that, for all it's imperfections, Vanguard is doing better than you expected. That is because the game that is there is very deep and diverse, with tons of content and a huge beautiful world to play in.

Originally posted by magpie1412

1\ The Application is not natively Multi-Threaded nor does it fully take advantage of Dual Core Architecture...This technology is available now and there are a substantial number of people using it....Vanguard doesnt support it "Yet", you would think a game made for the "future" would utilize this at a code level by running in multiple threads in hardware over dual CPU's, premature release or not. This really does throw statements on other postings made by Mr McQuaid further into question...

2\ The Application does not support SLI or Crossfire technologies in hardware "yet". However the above points regarding Dual Core platforms also apply here. If the application was truly desinged for the future and that is the catalyst of its current performance problems then why not support these performance boosting technologies NOW. Surely with other gameing applications out there already supporting these technologies (Including certain current MMORPG beta's) doesnt this make vanguards arguments on performance needing "future" more "powerful hardware" utterly insignificant....it isnt even utilizing at an code level what is there now....mmmm

3\ Vanguard still does not fully support Anti-Aliasing nor certain advanced lighting routines (Environment Drop Shadows) etc. "Anti-Aliasing" has been used on gaming engines for years...so have advanced lighting techniques through hardware Pixel and Vertex shaders, surely an application that is built around a "future proof solid engine" will support these technologies "now". Otherwise how can it be argued that it needs even "more powerful hardware" at this point in time when the code it is based upon isnt supporting "current technologies" in hardware, Regardless of what the engine is capable of and indeed this does expose many more questions on the state of the engine and its abilities. Vanguard performs poorly currently on a massively wide variety of hardware, what will happen when i turn on Anti-Aliasing? it will surely be unplayable, yet is this my fault? Is this a fault of my hardware that supports this technology and many other advanced technology routines in "other games" in "hardware"? Shall i buy brand new hardware over the system i purchased a month ago to stand a chance with vanguard?

To use the argument of requireing hardware to be mainstream that currently is regarded as highend and enthusiast hardware is slightly embarrasing for an application such as vanguard when the above points are expose, would you not agree?

Welcome to MMORPG.com and these points you make are unavoidably excellent. They cannot be refuted and these are some of the core problems with Vanguard: Sloppy, unfinished code.

The game that IS there is excellent, if they can just button up the coding Vanguard will be a 10. As it stands it's about a 7 overall. Sigil really needs to organize their forces and fix the existing game and stop wasting time adding additional content.

Excellent post and thank you for adding facts and reasons instead of just unobjective blather.