Originally posted by Madatan

Originally posted by odinsrath

alot of people are bashing  and geting this game twisted...its more of an action game to be played on console and all they did is add a online element to it...its FAR from a true mmo ..just because its online does not make this a mmo lol..alot of these posts i bet havet even played or only played till like lvl 10...i personaly have DC and i think its great..great action / pvp FOR THE PS3 i really dont think this title is much of a pc game seeing that console games made for pc dont really do so well...if you bought this game for pc im sure your dissapointed...it was clearly more made for a console audience..and people keep compareing champ online to DC ..umm they both play totally differant..i wouldnt compare the 2 champs online is more mmo like ..DC ..far from it..but still a great ps3 title atm

Of course its an MMO, its not an MMORPG but it is an MMO since its Massively Multiplayer Online.

No, it is billed as an MMORPG.  By your definition I think you would lump every game with a significant online component as an MMO, which is just absurd.

Apart from resource files is there anything stored on your computer or is it all stored on a server?  On a server, like a typical mmo.

Is there a subscription fee?  Yes, like a traditional MMO

Do you advance your levels, get new skills, new gear, all in an environment with thousands of other players with whom you can group and do quests etc etc etc?  Yes, again, like a traditional mmo.

What is there about this game that is not the same as any other mmo that is out there?  Apart from DC Universe?  Nothing, it is an mmo with a different combat model.

Now, is DCUO a game with a future etc?  Dunno, not a game that I enjoy and one that I would never pay a sub fee for.  It is, for me, a subpar game filled with the lowest common denominator of mmo gaming. 

The graphics are pretty, there is no getting around that, the animations are fluid, the game runs damn sweet on my system.  And there is something about the flight animations that really really is better than that in other super hero mmos.  Character customization is good although it seems to me that the powers are a little off and very limiting.  That, for me, is the extent of the good.  Gameplay, questing, the meat and bones of mmos is where the game falls off for me.  Plays like a cool console game that you might want to dink around in for a little bit, but there are far better super hero action games for varying systems that do not require a subscription fee to play.

Auto attack in most games does minimal to no damage, look at Lotro for example.  Doubt most toons can kill a mob 7 levels beneath them using nothing but white damage.  Whether there is or will or won't be auto attacks in TOR is irrelevent if the game is balanced properly so that players are able to move at a consistent rate and if the combat is engaging and entertaining.  We should know soon enough at least :)

It's the little things where you can tell if a company actually gives a **** about their customers, or if the only they care about is a quick buck.  When I went to uninstall the beta immediately pops up and tells me its going to remove c:/windows/system32

What the ****? lol.

Luckily I am not the average person and was quite easily able to remove it and all offensive traces of their malware.  This is not an uncommon occurance with SOE products, even in retail.

I think it all depends on what really makes the DC Universe special to each fan.  Every fan is different, some do not recognize different changes, some give more prevalence to one timeline over another etc etc etc.  DCUo I am sure will make some fans happy, some for a long time, some for just long enough to go wtf?! lol.  As with all games, especially where IPs are concerned, what one fan likes another will hate.

For myself, DCUo was fun, for about 20 minutes.  I saw pretty much everything I wanted to see, and it was more than enough to see that the game is not for me.  Has little to do with the "universe" has everythign to do with the arcade-y gameplay.  The greatest setting in the world means jack squat if the gameplay and story aren't up to par and that is the case here, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Luthor_X

Originally posted by Dyner

Originally posted by Dirkzen

20GB of space required?  Good lord.

I remember the very first computer I ever bought had a 20GB harddrive.

I mean, i've got plenty of space to spare at the moment,  but its interesting seeing how these space requirements keep creeping up and up

 

 Um, most MMOs released in the last 3yrs take at least 10gigs. I think AoC when fully patched is 25gigs..or was it 15...lol, I don't remember.

The more a game puts into visuals the larger it'll be. Can't wait to see the visuals of a game that 'bare-minimum' requires 1TB /drool

 

1+ terabyte games may not be just around the corner, but they're coming.

 

Side note... It's a shame that the fun doesn't scale along with the hdd space requirements *sigh*

But once in a blue moon it actually looks good for all the space its hogging up.  Sounds good too, who cares about gameplay anymore?  Pretty soon we will all be paying good money to play fancy versions of farmville :(

Originally posted by kingtommyboy

This thread is only for people who play rift in beta. I've never been a rift fanboy. I also never really followed it. But I'm getting curious about this game when I see the screenshots. So my question is, what is rift like? Is it a good game? Did you liked it while you were playing the beta? What are the pro's and con's? What do you think about the game? Please only answer when you actually played the beta, I want to read real opinions.

Its an alright game.... cool multi class system.  Nice twist on war's pq's..... seemed very linear but thats cool if its your cup of tea.  Not something I personally would pay a subscription to but hey thats just me.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Looks like quality is catching up to quantity. I just really wish the PS3 had much better games. Games like Killzone and MAG are just ok and thats the problem, they are just ok. The PS3 really needs a fantastic exclusive like what Halo does for the 360.

 

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6283775.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B3

This is not the first time that analysts and soe have stated that the ps3 would overtake this that or the other thing.  Nothing yet has come of it and the ONLY reason why the PS3 may see an uptick in sales is not because of the quality of the software (Lord knows the idea of exclusivity is counterproductive to game studios endeavoring in an hostile economic environment to generate profits and revenues that will allow them to continue development) it is solely because of the possible jailbreak.

If it is that easy to be hacked and if they have actually succeeded where people for years have failed then everyone will rush out to buy one because then they will never have to buy a game that they do not want.  Which, while giving Sony initial sales of the consoles and accessories will eventually hurt their bottom line.  One of the reasons is that each game sold gives royalties to the console manufacturer's (something which does not happen on the PC by the way hehe).  In order to make a game for any of the consoles you have to pay the manufacturer for the privelege.  Now, if your platform has lost all security and the numbers of games being sold decreases by a significant margin then no developer in the right mind would pay to develop for it.  So, the era of exclusivity could come back, very much in favor of Microsoft and the 360.  At least until the next series of consoles is prepped for release, and while they said they weren't going to for several more years something like the jailbreak could be incentive enough for Sony to push the PS4 years ahead of schedule.

Originally posted by 4Renziks

I hear good things about DCUO but the one thing thats stopping me from investing any time into researching is the fact that a big crowd is saying the game is shallow and not worth a monthly fee...IMO this is the single worst thing anyone can say about an MMO. So i ask how shallow is it? Is the masses overstating the situation or is it really a shallow childs game with no depth? I  was hoping for CoH 2 with CHampions Online, should i skip this game as well if thats what i want in a superhero game. 

Here is what i would like to see out of a superhero MMO , tell me if DCUO is my superhero game.

 

1. Action combat is fine, just would like a lot of variety on my powers and customization in that respect. 

2. I dont want to be penalized for wanting to play with friends to level up...Champions Online encouraged you not to group....I dont mind there being loner super heroes but, there are so many group heroes too and i like to see that represented if I so desire. 

3. The one thing about CoH that was annoying is my characters costume evolved little as I played (besides a cape and glowing eyes) I like to see a way that you look more epic as your character grows.  

4. Endgame...please have one.

Well the third one they definitely have. 

The first one I think it might be dependent upon the power set you use?  Understand that this game's depth will be limited as it is designed from the get go for the ps3.  While it worked for Final Fantasy for some folks, didn't really fair too well with others.

As to number 2, I cannot say for sure, but it doesn't seem like it would.  From my limited experience (maybe 30 or so hours) outside of the instances everything just seems to be a bit chaotic and kind of a psuedo pq in that if you hit something or are standing close enough to something you get credit.

Dunno bout endgame.  :)

Understand that everything in these games, all games for that matter, is a matter of personal opinion, taste, etc etc.  Can't hurt, except to give smedley and cao money lol, to give it a try when it rolls around.

Nope, don't like the tunnel vision of fps games in the first place.  Secondly while Bethesda is stuck on it like stink on dung the first person perspective makes melee combat look absolutely horrible.  You want to see where Bethesda got their engine ideas?  Google Hexen.

If all mmo's decided to come out with the first person perspective I would never play an mmo again.

Eventually all game genre's will be turned into mmo's so expect to see more action mmo's, afterall they are simpler to develop and produce.  Just as rpgs took a hit because of the change that Diablo brought to the genre, traditional mmo's may experience the same.  It all depends on the consumer dollar.  If it attracts more attention than the traditional mmo's coming out then expect to see more of it.

Originally posted by maxeborn

Originally posted by Gintoh

So, I have never played SWG, before the changes or since. However it sounds great. I was just wondering, everyone hates the changes and I think SOE even admitted it was a huge mistake. Now they have like a 7k player base I heard compared to there original 200k or something.

 

So why can't they just change everything back?

Its the players fault really: People cheated to get Jedi quickly.
(Of course, then proceeded to whine like little girls because of the death penalty.)
Sony, seeing that this issue was destroying it's player base, since if you didn't cheat you really couldn't compete, changed the Jedi requirement and actually let people roll a Jedi at start, which was a part of the NGE.

Now Sony is the bad guy

People cheated to get jedi quickly?  Seriously?  Where did you get this tidbit of new wisdom from?

First SOE never admitted the NGE was a mistake.  Specifically Cris Cao stated that the players are too stupid to know what they want and that he would tell them what they wanted.  Secondly, John Smedley stated that the way they implemented the NGE was where they made the mistake.  Much like how certain politicians say that it is not the legislation that they have introduced that is flawed, but how they communicated said legislation.

Finally, Smedley had said something to the effect that the original code was destroyed.  Now, anyone that has ever programmed professionally knows for a fact that this is either: A) Evidence of how shoddy things are at SOE as they do not even keep revision backups both on site and off site.  Or, B) That what Cao stated is how SOE feels about gamers in general so they lied through their teeth knowing y'all are too dumb to know any better.  And seeing the hype for DCUO, Smed and Cao are probably right :P

The main reason I stopped playing is because the game stopped being entertaining for me.  The setting, while based on one that I enjoy reading about, falls far short of Howard's own universe.  It is just missing that something that Howard's books had, and as a result the setting wasn't enough to pull me in.  Followed with a game system that I didn't enjoy once past the novelty of it, ahd they stuck with the original design for combat it might've been something cool, but as it stands their design boiled down to taking that which has worked for years and added a nonsensical layer which detracted from my own personal enjoyment of the game as a whole.

Dinking around in it.... not sure what's so great.  Not too far into it but feels much like most other mmo's out there.  Not sure what it is about the way that the game feels, it feels like what would happen if Lineage 2/Aion and WAR had a kid.  Not to bash the game.... Lineage 2 I played for a bit after leaving SWG for the first time lol.  Just not sure if its my cup of tea yet.

Some will like it, some will hate it.  Some, like myself, will be pretty indifferent to the whole thing. :)

Lucas Arts still has their involvement with Star Wars Galaxies, don't they? :)

"If you don’t like it, don’t play the damn thing."

You know what your easy mode has provided? 

A game that plays itself.  A game where you can run an entire guild worth of characters, and have no more than one or two actual human beings in said guild.

A community of narcissistic, entitlement babies that not only expect, but demand, to have everything handed to them on a silver platter because they or their parents pay for their subscription.

A game where the core players, only rarely even need to associate with other players as they are quite competent in soloing all of the group content in the game, short of raids.  Which in fact, this soloing, is the only way many players can find even the smallest semblance of challenge.

A game that is filled with players, incompetent with their selected roles, until someone puts up a you-tube video.  At which point they become the second coming of Napoleon or Hitler as they dictate exactly what everyone is supposed to do according to the you tube video.  "Wait, tank!  Two steps to the left is where you start."

And as to the quote of yours I provided.  Your kind infest the forums of every game demanding that each new game be easier than the last.  You throw tantrums, you throw ultimatums, you threaten, you complain, you report anyone who disagrees with you as being combative.  You want to play your mmos from your phones, from your cars, from your effing facebook profile, any way possible but actually sitting down and playing the gd game.

When you have succeeded, and turned every game into an extension of your overblown sense of ego.  When you sit there and go, ho hum, this is getting boring now, be prepared for Nelson's "ha ha".

And as to yours and others problems with wow now.  Don't worry.  Regardless of whether or not the youtube how-to vids come out, Blizzard will dumb it all down.  Within 3 months it will be WOTLK all over again where folks are soloing heroics.  I know I was soloing em with my bear tank a few months ago before I deleted and cancelled all of my toons.   "The healers I know keep blinking in surprise and saying that they can no longer heal an instance while half-asleep; surely this is a good thing? The tanks I know are having to pay more attention too, and the DPS classes apparently have more to do than just figure out when to pew-pew and at what."  Congratulations, you have apparently not been playing very long, have you?  Let's see, when world of warcrap first came out and they actually fixed the bugs in MC, they let it sit that way for a bit.  Then they introduced Black WIng Lair.  Guess what they did?  They dumbed MC WAY down because the mouthbreathers weren't keeping up with the core.  When the next dungeons came, they dumbed down the previous ones.  IF you knew your ass from a hole in the ground you would know this.  But then again, like most everything in this article, if you, the "author" and I use the term loosely, actually knew what hte hell you were talking about, if you knew anything apart from your own personal narrow opinions based on nothing factual, then you would have saved yourself and all of us the time that has been wasted here.

Making the game run better is always a good thing.   There is, however a huge difference between making a functional game and making a simplistic game and while you touch upon it, you come to faulty and unsubstantiated conclusions, which I should not be surprised by, it is your kind that sit there come up with your conclusions, then do your experiments, and only select the results that support your ignorant, narcissistic conclusions.  Of course, if you actually tried to approach your trash of an article with some semblance of intelligence rather than with the attitude of "we won, accept it or fuck off" then you wouldn't have an article.

Originally posted by XAleX360

Originally posted by ANDRIOD

welcome to SOE gaming

Yes, but...Other than that, is there any way to circumvent this issue? Is it even known to SOE?

You might want to check the soe forums?

meh call it whatever.  How's it play??? :)

Hopefully SOE paid you very well for that commercial.

Originally posted by santimiar

I don't believe it is worse than cash shop. Cash shop means I can possibly buy a carrier + skills on day one using RL cash and go and fight.

Time-based skill training means you won't be able to get into it immediately. There is a good reason why people don't learn to fight in a capital ship if they are not familiar with the combat mechanics. Its very expensive. Like in other games, you learn the basics of things, then move on to learn the more advance skills in the game. Do warcraft allow a level 1 player to have all the level 80 skills? No.

One thing you have to realise is that eve allows you to be whatever you want to be. A miner, or a manufacturer, fighter, scientist etc. If you are comparing this to an xp type game such as warcraft or allods, they are class restricted. This means that they go from level 1 to Max level and only get to allocate points in certain skills. It is restrictive in a way.

Time-based skill allows Eve to let the players choose what they want to be. They don't need to keep upping Max levels just so a player can be a jack of all trades. The only other way they can do this is by having users repeatedly use the skill over and over till they max it (Think Mortal Online). This then becomes a lot of grinding just to skill up in something. Grind tends to bring out the macro/bots if it becomes too dull. So compare this to long grinding, which is worse? Not all things will come down to what earns the most cash...it might just so happen they earn more that way, but I believe the design in itself is a good idea.

It is always a matter of perception.  From where I sit, EVE and I believe Age of Conan is trying something like this, it is no different than buying a character.  At least in traditional games, grind or no, when you earn a level you actually had to do something other than set a tick mark and log out.  From when I played Eve, the amount of time you put in game meant absolutely nothing apart from the amount of isk you could earn.  This is why I do not play Eve and why there is no chance in hell that I would pay to play any game that was like eve.  You should have to actually do something in order to level, something far more than just telling the idiot game where it should train you.  Why not just contact one of hte chinese farmer companies, at least that way you can put a poor chinese child to school?

The funny thing is, back when doom, hexen and the like were released many were bemoaning how games were getting over simplified all in the name of graphics.  It was in the MMO space that, a few years later, some of us figured that we would get all the complexity of the classics.  Just sad at how the low point in gaming for some of us several years ago is used today as a high water mark.  Pretty soon, I guess, all we will get to play are farmville and mafia wars :(