Originally posted by luffyownz

some greek magazines give 10 day trial codes and also some weeks ago adventurine attended a greek technology event and gave out alot of trial codes to the participants..so i am gessing its on its way for a larger audience.

Yup.
 

Despite some fans/players resistance to Trials (for whatever reason); DarkFall will eventually have Trials for anyone who wants one.

Will some players figure out a way to exploit them?  Yup, just like they did with the AI, the geometry, ships, mounts, magic, etc.

Not sure why some think that a couple players exploiting a Trial account or two will suddenly cause the doom of DarkFall?  DarkFall has survived quite a number of exploits by it's playerbase, so if some do exploit Trials it's just another on the list... not a justification for keeping Trials out, in my opinion.

Trials will come... I can wait.

Update 11/26/09

EU: 11512 (Decrease of 87)

NA: 7171 (Increase of 95)

Total: 18683 (Increase of 8)
 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

How come the spin from slot machine to trials ?

Topic is the hellish looking  slotmachine ...

My bad... as I replied to Ruyn's comment about it not being possible.

Sorry.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

Ohh yeah : )

I was so wasted in my head because of tooo many work hours and then i sat down in the middle of the night and saw a "update" and posted it here. The day after when i woke up and took a look i just went "WTF" did i doo last night?

Heh, no biggie.

 

Hopefully the "expansion" is everything you guys are hoping it is.

I'll still be waiting for a Trial. 

 

If you can think of a way to make a trial work in a FFA full loot game and not have it exploited all to hell please be sure to let me know.

 

UO has trials.

EvE has trials.

Shadowbane had trials.

 

Are we to believe that every other MMO can figure out a way to do Trials but DarkFall with Aventurine at the helm cannot?

Then it's time for a new Dev. Team if that is the case.

 

When Tasos and others from the Dev. team were saying that there would in fact be a Trial before the game was released... what changed? 

Or, are you saying they were full of BS and knew they didn't have a clue how to implement a Trial?

 

All that being said, here are some ideas... not all mine:

1. A segregated Trial island similar to EQ2

Or...

1. A segregated Trial Server

Or...

1. Trial players can only loot items from other Trial players
2. Trial players do not adjust alignment
3. Trial players can not trade any items
4. Trial players can not use any global chat channels, a new Trial channel would be created

I am sure there are more that might need to be added, but it's a place to start anyway. 

 

 

Trials just couldn't work.  What you are suggesting is totally effecting and changing the game.  You would also need to add 5) Paying accounts cannot loot trial accounts.  Otherwise paying accounts will have harvesting trial accounts and kill them.

People need to watch some of the youtube videos, read up on the features and make their own decision.

Heh...
 

So I'm going to assume you don't have an answer why other FFA PvP MMOs are able to do trials?

 

Also your 5) is only possible if the first 2 options are not used.

Even if it is possible... what is the difference between a paying account killing a trial account that is harvesting and them killing a newb harvesting now?

 

You make it seem like every paying player is going to have a whole network of computers setup in their basement and run a harvesting clan.

Simple solution: Restrict trials, like most MMOs do to a single trial every 6 months or so.

 

Again, other MMOs that are FFA PvP have figured out how to do it... why can't Aventurine?

Especially since they said they'd have it all the way up to Release.  What changed?

The difference is I could make 50 of these trial accounts and have them each harvesting and I could go with my paying account, kill them all and take the resources for maximum time vs profit.

Part in red above... umm...yeah. 

Also, last point on that subject since it seems to just be a broken record at this point...

Where is a player (either free trial or regular) going to camp 50 alts ( how are they getting 50 again?) harvesting that are available for them to come and kill whenever they want?

If there are indeed places that you can camp your character to harvest unmolested...

Then what is stopping a player from having their regular character do that now while they are sleeping or at work?

Do you, or do you not have any confidence in Aventurine's Dev. expertise?

I guess, if I feared that the Devs. of a MMO I liked to play had absolutely no way of figuring out how to limit Trials by IP and/or other means like most other MMOs, then yeah... Trials might be a concern for me.

I am of the assumption that since every other MMO (including those with FFA PvP) figured out how to make it work...

Then it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect Aventurine to figure it out.  As they said they would from the beginning. 

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

Ohh yeah : )

I was so wasted in my head because of tooo many work hours and then i sat down in the middle of the night and saw a "update" and posted it here. The day after when i woke up and took a look i just went "WTF" did i doo last night?

Heh, no biggie.

 

Hopefully the "expansion" is everything you guys are hoping it is.

I'll still be waiting for a Trial. 

 

If you can think of a way to make a trial work in a FFA full loot game and not have it exploited all to hell please be sure to let me know.

 

UO has trials.

EvE has trials.

Shadowbane had trials.

 

Are we to believe that every other MMO can figure out a way to do Trials but DarkFall with Aventurine at the helm cannot?

Then it's time for a new Dev. Team if that is the case.

 

When Tasos and others from the Dev. team were saying that there would in fact be a Trial before the game was released... what changed? 

Or, are you saying they were full of BS and knew they didn't have a clue how to implement a Trial?

 

All that being said, here are some ideas... not all mine:

1. A segregated Trial island similar to EQ2

Or...

1. A segregated Trial Server

Or...

1. Trial players can only loot items from other Trial players
2. Trial players do not adjust alignment
3. Trial players can not trade any items
4. Trial players can not use any global chat channels, a new Trial channel would be created

I am sure there are more that might need to be added, but it's a place to start anyway. 

 

 

Trials just couldn't work.  What you are suggesting is totally effecting and changing the game.  You would also need to add 5) Paying accounts cannot loot trial accounts.  Otherwise paying accounts will have harvesting trial accounts and kill them.

People need to watch some of the youtube videos, read up on the features and make their own decision.

Heh...
 

So I'm going to assume you don't have an answer why other FFA PvP MMOs are able to do trials?

Also your 5) is only possible if the first 2 options are not used.

Even if it is possible... what is the difference between a paying account killing a trial account that is harvesting and them killing a newb harvesting now?

You make it seem like every paying player is going to have a whole network of computers setup in their basement and run a harvesting clan.

Simple solution: Restrict trials, like most MMOs do to a single trial every 6 months or so.

Again, other MMOs that are FFA PvP have figured out how to do it... why can't Aventurine?

Especially since they said they'd have it all the way up to Release.  What changed?

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by xzyax

Originally posted by daarco

Ohh yeah : )

I was so wasted in my head because of tooo many work hours and then i sat down in the middle of the night and saw a "update" and posted it here. The day after when i woke up and took a look i just went "WTF" did i doo last night?

Heh, no biggie.

 

Hopefully the "expansion" is everything you guys are hoping it is.

I'll still be waiting for a Trial. 

 

If you can think of a way to make a trial work in a FFA full loot game and not have it exploited all to hell please be sure to let me know.

UO has trials.

EvE has trials.

Shadowbane had trials.

Are we to believe that every other MMO can figure out a way to do Trials but DarkFall with Aventurine at the helm cannot?

Then it's time for a new Dev. Team if that is the case.

When Tasos and others from the Dev. team were saying that there would in fact be a Trial before the game was released... what changed? 

Or, are you saying they were full of BS and knew they didn't have a clue how to implement a Trial?

All that being said, here are some ideas... not all mine:

1. A segregated Trial island similar to EQ2

Or...

1. A segregated Trial Server

Or...

1. Trial players can only loot items from other Trial players
2. Trial players do not adjust alignment
3. Trial players can not trade any items
4. Trial players can not use any global chat channels, a new Trial channel would be created

I am sure there are more that might need to be added, but it's a place to start anyway. 

Originally posted by daarco

Ohh yeah : )

I was so wasted in my head because of tooo many work hours and then i sat down in the middle of the night and saw a "update" and posted it here. The day after when i woke up and took a look i just went "WTF" did i doo last night?

Heh, no biggie.

Hopefully the "expansion" is everything you guys are hoping it is.

I'll still be waiting for a Trial. 

Originally posted by egotrip

But enough of recent history let's go back in time with a time machine..............time machine.............time machine ,     2 o'clock .......5 o'clock ........ 3 o'clock ...........trrrrrrrrt........

All the way back to 11/17/09 12:04:02 PM when this thread was created and dinosaurs ruled the earth

LOL!

I didn't look at this thread before... glad I did now. 

Thanks egotrip!

Come on daarco... you gotta admit that was funny. 

Afterall, if it wasn't for a few of us keeping you humble; you'd get way too big of a head. 

Originally posted by Izure

I cant wait to see the  numbers if the expansion turns out to be a miracle expansion we are all hoping :).

If history is any indication... most will probably be disappointed by the upcoming "expansion". 

Hoping for a Miracle "expansion" for a MMO... while not impossible... probably not something you want to bet your retirement on.

There was quite a bit of hype leading up to the first "expansion", both here and on the official forums. 

Right before the first "expansion" came out, quite a few long abandoned forum names here came back and posted about the revival of DarkFall.

 For some reason they all went away again.  Make of that what you will.

Go back and re-read both here and on the official forums the players reaction to the first "expansion"... that will probably be the average reaction to the second "expansion" as well.

Hopefully it will be better... but hoping that it's a "Miracle"?  That will most likely result in disappointment. 

Originally posted by daarco

And people wonder why Darkfall have so many hits here on MMORPG.com?

LOL

It would appear that Admin here figured out a way to disallow the Twitter hits. 

Either that, or DarkFall fans just stopped clicking on it.

For the past week or so, DarkFall has been middle to lower end of the top 10 on the front page... right where they were before the Twitter feed began.

Hopefully MMORPG.COM got what they could out of the increased exposure before the well went dry.  It was a decent run though. 

Update for 11/23/2009:

EU: 11,599  (Decrease of 8)

NA: 7,076  (Increase of 136)

Total: 18,675 (Increase of 128)

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

MMORPG.com is jealous for not get big piece of DF advertising campaign ?

How has MMORPG.com treated DF over the years  ?

"and justice for"  MMORPG.com.

Actually MMORPG.COM is one of the few sites that I've seen any advertising of DarkFall.  In fact there was a thread made on the official forums which linked to MMORPG.COM because it was such a "rarity".

(Remember the random banner ads not too long ago?)

 www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/247602/Darkfall-is-now-advertising.html

MMORPG.COM also has had the most positive Correspondent articles of any MMO related web-site discussing DarkFall.

MMORPG.COM also became the "unofficial" official forum site for DarkFall shortly after their launch and their own official site crashed for a few days.

Just a few "forgotten" facts to get in the way of the MMORPG.COM bashing. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Dragim

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 I would of thought people had the insight not to roll Alfar...it is the race of the mouthbreathers

 

If you want something alittle moreuplifting roll dwarf/elf/ human

 

ork/mahirim is like midway

 

Well, I am half tempted to reroll, but I have made my first 1000 gold, and made some weapons.  But I guess that is chicken scratch compared to what people usually have.

Also, more importantly, I know the Alfar area around Deep Yishku/Shoal decently enough to run to goblins/kobolds and back.

Maybe I should just reroll dwarf.  I just like the look of Alfar, as well as the mounts.  We will see.

 

nah if you like alfar stay alfar, just join a  ARAC clan  or whatever clan and make the clan chat you primary target for questions and source of information.

 

Darth's advice is sound.
 

Don't let some immature punks dictate which race you want to play.  There will always be a handful of these types of players in any MMO, even more so in a competitive MMO like DarkFall. 

Play the race you want, but try and find a clan that you like and then make that clan chat your primary channel. 

As far as reporting that stuff in-game goes... not sure on the policy of that.  You could report it and see where it goes I suppose.  I wouldn't expect much to come of it though.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

 You know I am a fan of the game but this thread is retarded to be honest. Get going and delete it, its pointless and comes across as a whine more than anything

Well said, Einstein... Well said. 

Here is the update for 11/20/09

EU: = 11,607 (Decrease of 12)

NA: = 6,940 (Increase of 31)

Total: = 18,547 (Increase of 19)
 

Originally posted by Blindchance

DF clan browser is a joke, it doesn't distinguish between active and inactive players and clans.

Those numbers would be CLOSE to accurate if only active Super Generals of clans would be allowed to post numbers there after proving their identity. The example with Murder Herd proves that anybody can post information without any kind of verification.

 

 

So you are saying that you think the number represented is way too high over the true population?
 

Do you think the uncounted non-clanned players is higher or lower than the over-counted clan counts?

Just to be clear... these numbers are coming from within DarkFall itself.  The inaccuracy of the numbers is caused by the need for clans to manually remove clan members once they leave or are otherwise inactive.

Again, I am not trying to maintain these numbers are absolutes.  I am also not trying to hide the weaknesses of these numbers or try to represent them for anything other than what they are.

For some of us, we find it interesting to track these kind of things.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion of the worth of such an endeavor.  It would appear there are some who find it completely worthless.  So noted. 

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by xpiher

It is the case. The df.urme.com site uses a bot that signs into these links with an active sub, and clicks on every clan avaible.

EU: http://app001.eu1.darkfallonline.com

NA: http://app001.na1.darkfallonline.com

The problem is EU's population and NA's population are actually about the same and EU's clan population is higher than it should be. The reason for this is because of the fact that the only way for clan rosters to get cleared is by player manually clearing them, AV does not do it automatically. This is why clans like Murder Herd still show as having 113 members when the clan is officially dead, or deviance having 25 when only two people haven't transfered yet.

I remember arguing on the official boards that Aventurine didn't purge players from the clan counts, but that it was done manually.  Several other players confirmed what I was saying back then.  It's apparently still true today.  Still, since DF is so clan-centric, it's the best way we have of gauging the overall population.

~Ripper

 

Yes, as long as you don't believe that EU has more population based on the clan counts. Also, many of the peopel who transfered to the NA server haven't joined a clan yet since they want to gear back up in realitve safty.

Thanks for the insight on the numbes xpiher.
 

Here is the update for 11/19/09

EU: = 11,619  (Decrease of 105)

NA: = 6,909   (Decrease of 2)

Total: = 18,528   (Decrease of 107)

Originally posted by Blindchance

It is hard to say how accurate those numbers are, as long I remember df.urme.com/index.php website was created months after DF launch. Despite that still somebody put clans like Murder Herd on the list MONTHS aftet they left. You can relay on data which have no real confirmation. Said that I personally think that DF's population on both servers is not higher then few thousands and definitly smaller then 10 000.

As has been confirmed by a number of active subscribers...

The numbers listed at these sites:

EU: df.urme.com/index.php

NA: darkfallinfo.com/pmap/index.php

Are the same numbers that a subscriber would see if they open up their clan journal.

IF that is not the case, then please let us know.

As I said, the numbers have been confirmed by a number of active subscribers on the official boards (and at least 1 here) as being the same numbers seen in-game.

It's not the job of the web-sites above to determine the accuracy or timeliness of the numbers as reported by DarkFall's own tools for retrieving said information.  As long as they match what is available in-game it's worth compiling... at least for me. 

Originally posted by rhinok

Where is it documented how those numbers are compiled?  I remember the EU1 page being posted in one of my clan count threads and it was markedly different.  I also remember one of the fans stating that he was responsible for manually populating the political map, but that it wasn't a complete clan listing (at that point in time).

~Ripper

I was wondering the same thing.

According to xpiher's post above:

" those numbers are accurate, a bot mines the numbers every mourning from the clan pages."

(I think he meant morning... not mourning).

The numbers do match what players see when they pull up the clan journal... if that ever turns out to be incorrect... someone with a live account will need to let us know. 

The two links I've posted are also used on the official forums.  Those who have commented on them indicate they do in fact match what is available in-game.  The accuracy and/or timeliness of those in-game numbers though is up for speculation.

For the sake of this thread though, all I care is that the numbers from those sites matches what is available in-game.  As long as that holds true; I'll continue to update the totals.

Originally posted by Agricola1

I remember when self publishing (EVE) was considered desperation and doomed to total failure as players wouldn't want to download the game and prefer to have a box with a disc. Well opinions have changed on that and offering your game by download is no longer a big deal, in fact it seems to work well.

You forgot to mention that EvE was available on the shelves in a box with a disc at Release, and it was in fact; NOT self-published at Release.  There was also a good deal of advertising done for EvE at launch.  That was the case for the first 7 months for EvE after which they re-purchased the rights and went the self-publishing, digital release method.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online

DarkFall on the other hand has never been available on the shelf in a box.

Just thought it important to make sure everyone has the facts.