Facts make a statement or argument true. Not opinions.

Whether this game survives or not remains to be seen. I hope it does, so the whole group of people who want to play this type of game can stay out of any future MMO's that I want to play. Remaking the same game that was made 15 years ago, but with 3D graphics is not " revolutionary " or " innovative ". Not that there is anything like that out on the market now.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

I don't know any sale/sub numbers for DAoC, but when the hell did LOTRO become "extremely successful"?

And Betelguez is correct, WAR isn't "different", just read any forum to find loads of posts/threads where players call it WoW 2 etc. I'm not saying I agree with all those posts, but for a lot of ppl, there's nothing new about WAR.

What becomes of DF is yet to be seen, I don't trust the hype and need to see it for myself before I can judge it, but that will probably never happen since I doubt it will ever be released.

 

Since all those games had over 500k Subscribers? Thats pretty successful in the MMO world, even though blizzard shattered those numbers.

LOTRO 500k subs? I don't know what you've been smoking, but it's causing you too see double, plus interest.

No one knows the sub numbers for sure, Turbine has never published them. MMOGCHART.com is usually considered the most reliable site when it comes to estimating subscription numbers, even this site posted an inteview with the guy behind that site a few months ago. This is their comment about LOTRO's numbers:

I estimate that as of August 2007 LotRO had approximately 200,000 subscribers. Inside sources place the number of active subscribers at 150,000 as of December 2007.

200k, and their chart shows that as LOTRO's max number of subs.

Sources:

http://www.mmogchart.com/analysis-and-conclusions/

http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html 

And if 200k is something you also consider as "extremely successful", then you should know that Brad said about Vanguard that they needed 250k subs to break even. Google the source for that one yourself if you want proof.

 My bad on the LOTRO thing, last I heard on these forums they were saying close to a million subscribers, can never trust anything you hear these days. Maybe it is maybe it isn't.

Vanguard's budget was about 45 million. Thats why. In order for Vanguard to break even the first year, they would need about 250k subs, at 14.99 a month at 250,000 players a month. You have a revenue stream of 3,747,500 per month, at 12 months. Thats $44,970,000 in 1 year. After that year, it wouldn't have cost them that much to run it.

Even WoW only needs 200 million a year to stay afloat. All development costs and wages included.  With just WoW's 2.5 million NA subscribers, it generates $449,700,000 yearly revenue.

Any non block buster MMO out there would be happy with 250k active subscribers. Warhammers cost of development, was a little under 100 million in under 3 years, Mark Jacobs said. He would like at least 1 million active subscribers. That would make the share holders happy.

I'm done here. Theres no reasoning with Mr. Mc Poopy Pants. I've seen him all over these forums.

Good luck with your game, I hope it does good.

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

I don't know any sale/sub numbers for DAoC, but when the hell did LOTRO become "extremely successful"?

And Betelguez is correct, WAR isn't "different", just read any forum to find loads of posts/threads where players call it WoW 2 etc. I'm not saying I agree with all those posts, but for a lot of ppl, there's nothing new about WAR.

What becomes of DF is yet to be seen, I don't trust the hype and need to see it for myself before I can judge it, but that will probably never happen since I doubt it will ever be released.

Since all those games had over 500k Subscribers? Thats pretty successful in the MMO world, even though blizzard shattered those numbers.

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

 

No, I'm saying that because it can be backed up with actual proof, I'm not just spouting random shit. 

So you can prove its not a good game?.. Really?

Please. Go ahead. Use facts and not opinions.

Originally posted by lotharr

Originally posted by Vindicoth

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

O rly, what about EVE Online?

By the way, I personally play WAR. It's fun, but the PvP isn't really that consensual at all.

Eve online is a pretty good example, but it doesn't impact the whole server community in a way that having your capital city taken from you impacts a Warhammer server, although it is temporary.

The problem with Eve Online is its steep learning curve and annoyingly long skill training times. I'd much prefer a system like Ultima Online used many years ago. Also, the Eve world just isnt' that interesting to too many people. It's a Niche game, like WAR, but with a much smaller audience.

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

 

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict intervowen throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

 

 WAR is very similar to WoW , LotrO and daoc (where RvR came from). I'm not flaming you, it's just that WAR isn't so "different" you made it sound like. It's quite mainstream actually

I like how you just mentioned 3 different games. You're saying that because its a culmination of 3 extremely successful games, its not a good game?

I don't know if you understand how ingredients work.

Flour, Water, Salt.

There are lots of recipes that call for these ingredients, but that doesn't make every product the same.

Bread is not the same as Cake

Originally posted by Betelguez

Originally posted by Vindicoth

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. People hate because it's different.

 

Warhammer isn't different, that's what I "hate" about it.

It really is different. There isn't an MMO out right now that has a player versus player conflict inter-woven throughout the game as much as WAR. It may not be to the extent that a lot of you are wanting it to be, but it is there.

Originally posted by KhaelSan

hmm Warhammer wasn't really different, if any mmorpg was mainstream, Warhammer was it. And it wasn't hated either, it had insane high hype rating here on mmorpg.com.

So I don't really understand how you can put it in same category as DF - but thanks for your concern.

Warhammer went under the same scrutiny though. It continues to do so today. Thats the point I was trying to make.

I've seen the hate on this game. I feel your pain. I've seen the last year for Warhammer go the same way. Warhammer and Darkfall are criticized for the same thing. All this applies to both games. People hate because it's different. They hate because it doesn't take advantage of the latest and greatest hardware and graphics. They hate because of graphics and animations. They hate because of spell effects and interface. They say that it's not coming out this year, or the next year, or ever. They hate because of the publisher, they hate because of the studio. They hate because they're 10 years old, they hate because they're 50 years old. They troll to see you defend your hopes of a great game. They say its not in beta, they say its vaporware.  They hate because its not WoW and they hate because its too much like WoW.

But when its all said and done, will it affect how good the game is for you? Not a chance. You'll like it if the developers held up all their promises and made the best game they could make.

This is how it was for Warhammer fans. Now you see we can boast about the current success of the game, and hopefully continue to laugh at the trolls in the future.

I just want to let you know that I am going to reserve my judgement until it is released, and there will be lots of others too. Because we know exactly what its like.

I hope Darkfall is a success, because ultimately any competition to any MMO will only bring about better MMO's. There is no reason there can't be multiple #1 MMO's for their given genre, be it Sci Fi or Fantasy or Super Hero. 

I may not play Darkfall, but I'll be playing the game I waited years for too, and thats all that matters, right?

and a guy named MC Poopy pants has more credibility than a TV Show? LOL. Fuck off.

Wow, no wonder you darkfall people are lead on so easily..

What part of

"Also, we are not playtesting. "

do you get " BETA HAS BEGUN " from?

Originally posted by banthis

"Influence, which is built up alongside standard experience in the PQ can be used to buy goodies from an NPC. As mentioned above, there are three tiers for a PQ. Each tier grants XP and Influence. While there are a number of PQs in any given zone, they are repeatable if you are in need of Influence to buy a certain piece of armor or potion. The influence items are decent loot and it is a good way to gear up your character for the rest of your journey."

Just thought i'd high light some mis print.  You don't "buy" influence gear from a vendor.  You earn it and lose no money or points for garnering it.  The only reward you have to earn and pay a nominal fee for are Renown gear rewards (which are sometime infinately better depending on the way you like to play your toon).

Normally I don't nitpick a correspondant but there's a huge difference between the words 'buy' and 'earn'. It could be considered misleading by those that are not in the game.

I was also going to mention this. You should definitely change the " buy " to " earn ". You just walk up to the Rally Master, select your reward and click accept. You pay no money and you do not lose influence.

WoW only has around 2.5 million NA subscribers actually. But yeah his point still doesn't make sense.

DAoC was actually the first MMORPG to have battlegrounds. Blizzard just took that and made it more FPS like.

Originally posted by Zhqrxt

Its Ugly. I hate the design. Bad animation and the engine seems 4-5 years old, and outdated...

Damn.. good thing those are just opinions :P. I'd hate to see you try to provide facts for those statements.

But yeah the game is fun.

Uh. You can do the good stuff straight from level 1. It just gets BETTER as you get higher level. More in depth, more complicated. There is no reason you can't go out at level 1 into a tier 2 area and help with the RvR conflict. You just won't have the skills or stats of a normally geared level 12-21 player.

I know theres a whole cult of you people out there, that think every MMO should be a sand box style, skill based game, but the fact is thats not what they made and thats not what Games Workshops vision was for. If you dont like Level based, gear based MMO's, then don't play Warhammer. It's simple as that.

Just becuase it doesn't follow your vision for the perfect MMO doesn't mean its not a great game.

Uh.. this has been out for atleast a month now.

This post has been reported for trolling. Good bye!

Archmage