Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

The fact that some users actually made this, shows how terribly ill DarkFall is. That a tool to find PvP in a PvP Game is needed is...outrageous to say the least. I ... I don't know what to say.  This is probably the last thing on my list that I would've expected the community to do; a PvP finder. I cannot find anything nice to say, it's unbelievable.

2. What I dont understand is why players dont simply post their location in public chat. I knew a guy who did that and he got plenty of pvp action.

Because if you're a red dwarf, you can only chat with other dwarfs. Most pkers are red and can only globalize with their own races. The only way to totally inform anyone in a global way, is by using a website.

This website is perfect since it is organized and moderated.

http://darkfallhotspot.net/

Quote: Famer joe

Thread: http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=308961

The idea is that when you and your buddies go Pvping, you report it to this page. Or if you're going to cap a village. Or if you're hanging around in your city dueling and want a fight... etc.

Use the simple form to quick submit and update your group's numbers and where abouts. Once you submit once, your entry will stay up for 2 hours, and if you submit again, it will update your entry rather than put another entry. You can quickly delete your entry if your pvp trip ends. Although not spam-proof, it's a good start and will be closely monitored. I whipped this whole thing up in a couple of hours so it might have a bug or two.

I tried to make it as simple and streamlined as possible to increase the probability that people get into the habit of using it. Who knows, it could actually generate more pvp if people use it. Tell your friends.

Suggestions welcome.

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With this website, i never had so much pvp. Come back if all you wanted was pvp, but coudlnt find it for what ever reason. Famer joe made this website today and i had some none stop actions for 6 hours. I never pked for so long. It used to be only 30 minutes or 1 hour cuz we never knew where to search.

This is probably why the stamina bug didint get a fix yet after more then a month.

Originally posted by youngkg

Originally posted by Norpan

Me saying that all post that speak well of MO on DF gets deleted still stands. OFC they keep those that you posted. They speak Micheal Jackson BAD about it. Duh!!!

And if someone says combat in MO is slow, they cleary haven´t played it. It´s everything BUT slow.  I have people like Adun, that was voted the most frearsome archer on DF server when he played, playing MO with me now. And he is one of many coming from DF that says the action in MO is fast paced compared to DF. I do think the PVP in DF is good though. I won´t say anything else. But you apperantly swallow every lie that is handed to you and I guess you believe in Santa Clause as well. It´s gets more clearer for everything you write that you have no freaking clue about what MO has to offer and not. Need to take off them blindfolders, and see the real world outside Lalaland. And the fact that you STILL think that Realbig trolls about the hits, shows that you are a lost cause. It´s a known fact here and has been for a long time, that someone is hacking the hit numbers with DF. The fact that you believe in those numbers makes me ROFLMAO!!! There were even threads here about this before. Don´t know if the mods took em away or not, cause it is quite embarrasing for the site that someone can hack the hit ratio. But I guess it´s above their heads and nothing they can do about it.

Thank god there are some sain DF followers here that at least sees things for what they are atm compared to you. Now head back to DF, macro some skills up, and go play with those few people that manage to log into the game atm. But I guess you´ll see more action watching Mortals live map, then you see in DF these days. Enjoy: http://www.mortalonlinemap.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyHkWAMxu8M at first i thought this was a minecraft mod...but after confirming it is indeed MO...

 

This is the game in qestion lol...tell Adun well see him in df2.0

1st of all, this is a old video. The user also seem to play with a bad computer, the reason its so ugly.

Check out the most recent MO video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ae3zc1-zL0

Originally posted by darthturtle1

As soon as anyone uses sanboxer as a credible website they lose the arguement.  It was made by an MO fan to hype MO.  They do full stories on MO hotfixes but all EVE gets for a major expansion is a link. 

MO is not a sandbox, neither is DF.  And I hope someone inhere is not saying the DAWN "expansion" was a success the playerbase does not think so.

 

If both of those games are not sandboxes, prove it.

And for you loktofeit: Check your own sign.

WoW is a sandbox of warcraft. It has more developer made contents, but still the freedom to do what I want when I want to." - MMOExposed

This is totally false.

Originally posted by Loktofeit

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I am not sure I like these answers people are giving...like

'gesh..any of them' (i guess that means hello kitty?)

Actually, YES. Even Hello Kitty Online has more features, a better community and much more engaging gameplay than Darkfall.

I'd play almost any other MMO made in the past five years than play Darkfall.

Thats your opinion: We cannot obviously change it. You dont need to try harder, we understand what you say.

according to you:

WoW is a sandbox of warcraft. It has more developer made contents, but still the freedom to do what I want when I want to.

We are wrong, you are right, we get it.

Norpan: A response to the best sandbox score.

I voted for MO too. While its not better then DF, its a better sandbox by default. DF is only a sandbox in term of open world pvp, full loot and conquest. Nothing else, really. For now, its only about the freedom.

For example, you cannot build your own houses everywhere or build one at all. Villages were all set in specific places since the start and the houses are all around it. You must wait for somoene to not pay his tax in order to take over with a pass that cost a massive amount of gold. Its also risky to take over 1 alone, you must have a good group to protect your spot.

Same for cities and hamlets. You dont build them with your clan mates where ever you want or how ever you want, you just conquer one at a specific place and thats it.

To me, darkfall is not 100% sandbox, but its more like a museum full of kids with no guards or adults to prevent them from breaking stuff. Everything are preset.

Originally posted by Rompster

Step 1: Print out the games list found here on MMORPG.com

Step 2: Tack the list to the wall in a pretty mosaic

Step 3: Play Pin the Tail on the Donkey using the above mosaic

Step 4: Enjoy the game that is better than DF, that was chosen using the aforementioned method

 

Romp

Step 5: eleminate every clones of the template you dislike.

For exemple, if you hate wow, eleminate 99% of the mmo's that are just like this game in the market. At this point, you should have really few mmo's to check. Make sure it cost per month cuz i doubt a F2P game could be the best.

Well said for those who claim that the horrible grind, macroing and the fact that it takes a year to be viable(less then that) Is the reason this game is not populated enough. Only the hardcore korean grinders can survive.

If you are good as a player, you can still go destroyer, but you will never beat a mage 1on1 wise if you're not rich. You can still contribute a lot if you focus on players with staves equipped. The real problem is the fact that 1 can become a master of everything and you are forced to be hybrid.

2.0 will change all that. It probably wont take more then 1 month to max a character into viability because everyone will be limited. Most tedious skills to grind while only AFK(macroing) will be removed.

The only reason i still play DF, is because i managed to grind during the weekend x4 exp event. If you were online during these 3 weekend days, you would easily be at a level where you could beat a veteran.

Now, on MO and their small patched: LMAO!!! All they do is fixing the feature that already exist before they deploy them. DF already have everything set so thats why they dont need to add any new feature, only fixes(They are slow at that tho). Its also unfair cuz DF is a huge world, bigger then any other mmo.(Not bigger then EVE and WW2) The fact that its a huge world is the reason its so empty(with no ad, ofcourse it is).

The real truth: They released DF way too early. They are stuck with what they released. So at this point, they are working on 2.0 more then 1.0. EVE didnt had the same problem cuz apprently, some developers worked on that game without getting payed only to make a perfect game. Not everyone are willing to work at these condition.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by youngkg

Originally posted by Norpan

I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.

AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....

 

Hotfixes dont count as content.

Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.

 

There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.

Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.

 

Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.

 

And according to this pretty site DF is EXTREMLY popular. Just look at all them hits they got... Nothing fishy there at all.

Somoene is obviously hacking the hit system for DF so it can always be 1st. Everyone know that.

Originally posted by youngkg

Originally posted by Norpan

I would say that atm MO has the lead on DF, that has more or less stood still the last year, and having the horrible grind and no skill cap is the real blow to me. If they would fix these issues with 2.0 then I could give it another chance. But I would like a wipe before that as well. But I guess 2.0 won´t come out til 2013, with the BETA starting this year. AV just as SV are a indie company, but at least SV put shit out, even though some are shit, they still do SOMETHING. I guess both these games could get spanked once Archage comes here, and if this new Fallen Thrones has something to say as well. Earthrise will also go F2P in april, and if they fix that games issues it could make a nice comeback. But we´ll see. Atm EVE rules the sandbox, but it´s to dull for me. I say MO leads atm. If barely over DF.

AV hasnt put out an expac in over a year and it still has released 5x times the content MO has....

 

Hotfixes dont count as content.

Ho please, everytime MO release something, new bugs gets in and it gets even more imbalanced.

There's also something you guys are not aware of. DF is an unknown game. Ask anyone if he know what DF is. He wont know what it is cuz there's 0 ad for that game anywhere on the net. You have to be lucky to find the game. With that being said, DF currently got enough players and i'm sure they make enough profit since they dont spend money to advertise. Plus, its still 15 a month. Not 10, not 5, not free after 2 years, 3 years soon. The game is not dying.

Finally, once 2.0 breaks in, i'm sure a lot of players will come back and at this point, they will be confident enough to advertise their game to sell it in mass.

Its our opinion when we say DF is the best mmo. We are just tired of all these wow clones out there. As for EVE, they have more ads then DF and they did had a bad time too. Its been a long time since this game was release and it used to be bad too. DF just like EVE is simply growing up. You have to see the potential over what it currently is.

Originally posted by NMStudio

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by NMStudio

That's funny, i'm having a hard time thinking of any modernm MMO that ISNT better than Darkfall...  Seriously, this game is weak.  A buggy mess.

II'm sure wow, rift, swtor are not better then DF. All you do is standing in one place while typing 1 2 3 4 5, next monster or player, repeat.

I can confirm, based on personal experience, that all three of those are definitely superior to DF.  I'm sure Hello Kitty online is as well, but that's only speculation.

Thats you'e opinion, i cant change it. I'm just trying to make you understand why we think DF is the best mmo out there. For us, there's no other mmo in existance. Well, only 2. DF and MO, but MO combat system is horrible.

The feature we seek in a mmo: open world pvp, full loot, conquest and FPS or TPS(third person shooter). All of these must harmonize togheter.

The grind is horrible in DF and you must stay away from it for that reason, but if you can get pass that, you can see how fun the game really is if you can get yourself into our politic. DF 2.0 will fix all these problem.

If you still gonna hate, then i dont know what you seek in here cuz you probably wont even find it in 2.0 anyway. DF will never be a good for the pve and thats far from the reason we are playing it. .

Originally posted by NMStudio

That's funny, i'm having a hard time thinking of any modernm MMO that ISNT better than Darkfall...  Seriously, this game is weak.  A buggy mess.

II'm sure wow, rift, swtor are not better then DF. All you do is standing in one place while typing 1 2 3 4 5, next monster or player, repeat.

Originally posted by 77lolmac77

Darkfall isn't a terrible game it just has too much incentives to, not so much cheat (when I think cheat I think aimbot, wall hacks, duping, etc) but take shortcuts using in-game mechanics. My experience of PvE in DF was as follows:

Group of 6 players, everyone has a shield in their inventory as well as a bow and arrows. 4 players equipped shields and boxed in a mob by putting up their shields (keep in mind there is collision in DF). Other 2 people shot at the mob until someone's stamina ran too low from blocking. At that point one of the arrow shooters equipped shield and took the stamina-less persons place. Eventually the mob dies and we divvyed out the loot. Gold went to guild expenses (city upgrades), and other random loot was on an as-needed basis (like if someone was levelling archery they would need bows because they'd be breaking them so fast on bloodwall). Rinse, Repeat.

Now if that sounds like fun to you then, well I guess DF is the best MMO out right now. 

Wait, so you think we play darkfall for the pve??? Id play skyrim all day over DF if it was for that. I never farm in a group.

Originally posted by Ethian

Was this thread supposed to make DFO look good because it did nothing lol. DFO is failing currently simply because AV fails. A bad dev team = a bad MMO. DFO isn't worth the $15 a month sub so any MMO is better. I/m a huge sandbox MMO fan but I'd rather play WoW then any game ran by AV :-/

 

My hopes are high for 2.0 but knowing AV and their past it will be an epic flop..lol

If you rather play wow, you are wrong. Most of us would say: We rather play battlefield 3 instead. cuz there are no other mmo's worth playing, but darkfall.

At the moment, MO is better, but not the best mmorpg while DF is currently the best mmorpg. Contradiction much, i know, but thats how i feel.

DF 2.0 is already the best mmorpg. We dont need to try it to prove it.

Originally posted by tom_gore

Trammel doubled UO:s subscription base. Just saying...

 

Yeah of course, its EA, not because of trammel itself.

If DF had a AAA publisher too like EA with 2.0, we would also get a lot more subs then that.

Originally posted by CNUChavez

Unfortunatley I think w/e they do it will be too little to late.

Archeage is coming and will offer everything darkfall does + more sand along with more casual gameplay.  Darkfall is great however ever since I got married I dont have the time to macro/grind all day just to stay competitive.

archeage wont hurt DF at all. Its a totally different game.

the housing system is pretty good yeah...

there will be player ship. cool...

NPC player city. If this is a conquer system, then yeah.

And more...

All that sounds good, but like the above said, the fps aspect of DF is the reason im staying. Plus, while archeage seem more like a sandbox game over themepark, it is still restricted and not hardcore. Where's the full loot so i can fear death too? Archeage to me might be a UO trammel to date with 0% loot drop after death.

Its not our style.

Originally posted by lizardbones

 

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Originally posted by corpusc
@ lizardbones
 
simple.  PVE players just wouldn't bother building fortresses for any gameplay reason.
only for roleplaying.
 
it'd actually give them MUCH MORE of a point from a PVE perspective.  on PVP servers, with their vulnerability to other players, PVE players would never dream of sinking the resources into building them.  
but on a PVE server, they could freely invest in one.  personally i've never had an interest in MMO housing, since it doesn't serve a gameplay purpose.  they personally seem pointless to me.  i'm not a role player.  and yet many people love housing in PVE MMOs anyway.
 
for other "PVP" features that may exist, and may be pointless for PVE.......... uhhh, what would really be the problem with just not making a point to use everything?

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Most PvE players want a purpose to playing the games they play. That's why games like SWToR and Rift are so popular. It's not about entering a virtual world, it's about playing a game. Games, for the most part, have a purpose.

I don't doubt that there are some people who would like to play Darkfall without the threat of PvP, but I don't know that there's enough people who would be willing to play the PvE only game that's available in Darkfall if the only reason to do so is for role playing. When you remove the PvP, you've removed the purpose. There's no 'why am I doing this?'

 

Yeah, DF as a stand alone pve game would become the worst mmo of all time. The game would have to end up being free to be populated. As a pvp game with full loot, the game can atleast remain p2p cuz there is a lot of players who favor that freedom in a game that offer few stuff. The players are in fact, the one filling it up just enough to make it last for ever.

Wonna know how horrible DF pve is? Just as an example, we can kill the 2 strongest monster in game with 4 players only and its the devil, demon or the fire dragon, not with a raiding group. The other strong bosses, you only need 2 players and if you are good, you can solo them all.

The pve is too easy to become about that only. As a newb with 100 archery and sharpshooter(easy to get), at this point, you can solo any mob in game, but not he ones with 7k hp and thats it.

Originally posted by OBK1

I would love a DF PvE server since PvE  is what I played DF for, but I see at least three areas they would need to adress if making a pve server:

1. More PvE/(+other time sinks) content, what is there today is great but with a PvE only server new content must be added all the time.

2.  Player cities? What to do with them, how will they change hands etc. A more controlled PvP environment? Or how?

3. The economy. As someone noted, the game economy is centered around FFA full loot pvp, which means constantly hunting for new gear or new materials. This need would be greatly diminished on a PvE server and would quickly lead to inflation.

That said, DF has such a fantastic world and feel to it that it is sad that your everyday PvE:er who hates pvp doesn't get to know it :(

What you want is fallen earth. Why players like you coming from other pve constantly want to change the way DF is? I dont get it. x game doesnt offer something you want, then look for an other that have everything you want instead. So simple.

number 1 response: yeah right, new content must be added all the time. Do you even know why there's no pve server in the 1st place anyway? AV doesnt even have enough money to keep the pve crowd entertain for ever without the pvp. They will simply move on to something better that constantly brings out new content. Darkfall is a good game, but the devs are really slow at upgrading the game. So they certaintly will never be able to maintain a pve only server for ever.

Number 2: thats the thing we like in DF. Its a player driven game. The majority of us dont even look back at npc city since we cannot even conquer them so whats the point? A newb in DF will most likely join a clan and learn from there. In DF, the game wont hold your hand anyway so you got no choice.

3: accurate. Thats what DF is. The devs never wanted an hybrid. DF is not for everyone; you probably heard that many times.

As for your last paragraph, that player will most likely check fallen earth instead. If you dont like DF because of the open world full loot aspect, you got fallen earth since its an fps and mmo game just like DF