OP, try proof reading before posting.

Dragon Age is TOR without Jedi's. Get it, play it. THen you will have a basic idea of what to expect from TOR. I read that the combat system and quests will be similar. But thats just a rumor.

Originally posted by blueshadow

 

I  really think this SWG  hate is getting a bit  old.

THey dont hate SWG, they hate SOE.

I dont think youwill see anything for SWG with SOE working on a new SW game now. THey will milk the cash cow that is the TCG till the servers are shutdown.

I had a weaponsmith and had been gathering resourses for 2 years. THen the CU hit. All my high end stuff was garbage now. THen on the old forums all the smiths went on a rampage. Appearently, SOE in their wisdom thought it was a good idea to make all weapons do the same amount of damage over a specific amount of time. 1.5 speed stun stick dealt as much damage as a BH's launcher, in lets say in a minute they both would do equal damage. With no point to craft anymore, majority just quit like me.

As a person who has been in Customer Service, Sales and Account Management, Ic an safely say that customers are only right whe evidence proves it.  Its just plain human nature to lie, manipulate and deceive to gain ones goals. Just today at work, I work in QA, we had a customer send us 20 assemblies saying we made them defective, yet upon inspection, all damage was done on thier end. Our reply is, "paid rework or we return as is."

When it comes to developers, they need to stick to the games premise and goals. Dont try to accomodate all the whinners. All you do is make more whinners and complainers. But if a dev pulls a SOE and trashes a game instead of fixing, then yes the customer is right.

Just to add a point to the last few posts about the numbers of boxes sold. I played on Tarq. Like the makority of players on that server, I had 2 accounts. At 1 point towards the end, I had 3. My Guild leader had 4 accounts, my friends in other guilds all had 2 accounts. Since you could hcange a line in a file to allow multiple instances to run, it was common for us to ahve 1 toon buffing while playing the other. So most of the boxes sold were to single players.

Never admit to doing anything wrong. NEVER. Once you admit or appologize, you are saying you did something wrong. Deny any wrong doing. Challenge them to prove what was offensive.

Also, if you want to scare the shit our of your company, ask them some pointed questions about the policy and training. Here in California, its the law that all employees be "trained" to know what is acceptable behavior and comments. This is meant to protect companies from litigation. Many states have similar laws and the deferal laws are pretty weak though.

Question 1: What is the offense?

Question 2: What traing in harrassment and conduct does the company do?

Most management will freakout when you come to them with these questions. THey will ask why you are asking for these questions, just state its what the lawyer told me to ask.

Originally posted by Sigilaea

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by green13

Typical Bill Roper on this topic - dancing the dance of a million maybes, mights and I don't knows.

It boils down to two pages of bland assurances and "love me, love my MTs".

 

He is right though, many Americans do microtransactions everyday but yet they will complain about companies selling items you do not even need to buy from a cash shop. Amazing how that works.

 

Clearly you drink the cryptic koolaid.

His examples are flawed. WoW has no RMT. YOu can not buy items for ingame use. YOu MAY win one thru chance in playing the card game. But those items are pure cosmetic and there is no item mall to puchase said cards or cosmetic items.

Guitar hero/Rockband isnt a mmo.

THe problem is that there are idiots who are willing to spend money to get a leg up on others who cant aford to, or unwilling to spend the money. They clealy have stated they will offer in game items that are not just cosmetic. That will do more harm to game sales than anything else.

Actually, you are the one that is wrong about wow and their RMTs. Buying a card so you can get a mount is an RMT. I'm sorry but it doesn't get any clearer than t hat. The card game money goes to Blizzard, and the  player gets a cool spectral tiger that others cannot get in game on their own. Just because there isn't a vendor in-game that lets you fork over real money, doesn't mean the end result is any different.

And the guy continuously says they aren't selling game-changing items, just vanity stuff like mounts. So wait and see what it looks like.

Look people, it's real simple: If you can't afford $5 for some stupid pet t hen don't buy it. Until someone 1-shots you with a weapon they bought in a RMT, SHUT THE F-CK UP.

Wow, you got a piss poor attitude.

Buying a pack of cards for a standalone card game that requires no monthly fee that has a chance of offering a free vanity item or mount in a game that shares its name, isnt a RMT. Lets define what RMT in a MMO is.

1. Offering items that players can purchase items for ingame use.

2. Trading real world currency for virtual items.

3. An Item mall created by the game maker/publisher. Accessable ingame or out that has the virtual items for sale.

Now that I have put up what pretty much what a RMT is at its roots, a trading card game that has a chance(gambling) or rewarding the player with a free ingame item. If I so choose to sell this item on Ebay doesnt make it a RMT.

You speak for Roper now I see as well. Maybe you should read this post:

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?t=23349

Jackalope
Cryptic Studios Team
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I know everyone has questions about microtransactions – what are they, how much are they, etc. I’m sorry we didn’t post something earlier; we’re really heads down in development right now. We’re going to release a WHOLE lot of information in the very near future about not just about microtransactions, but pricing in general. That said, here’s some basic principles about microtransactions to at least answer some of your concerns:

1) Microtransactions enable us to have a larger development team
2) Microtransactions are mostly aesthetic (costume pieces, pets, etc.)
3) If a microtransaction does have any sort of in game effect, then it can be also be earned in game.

Now, any sane person can understand what the word mostly means. So, do I need to explain this further for you?

Originally posted by Jojin

I don't know what society some of the posters are from, but they act as if it is an alien and evil concept that a company would be out to increase their profit margin for a product or service.  What, are you all buddhists who have taken vows of poverty? This is simply another type of business model laid in place for providing a game.  If you do not believe the game is enjoyable or if you believe it is too expensive then as a customer, you don't have to buy it. 

It is not like the actual in game play will be any different or people won't be gaining an advantage from the use of real world monetary funds, should they choose.  I would rather there be a method to directly profit the game industry while at the same time appeasing those who wish to throw their money towards virtual success or items, than the current method RMT where it is a 3rd party making the profit.

If you go to some place like IGXE you can buy fully leveled characters, gold items and an array of other items.  Though I don't quite understand how an imaginary virtual item would sell, it does sell and sell quite well.  This means there is a revenue source out there which, aside from a small amount of subscription fees, is doing nothing for the actual game development or production industry.

So I don't see what the big deal is for a company to attempt to capitalize on this revenue, bringing it under legitimate and standardized control.  Play the game, see if you like it, see if your game play is really effect and then make a judgement on if you wish to continue to play.

 

/facepalm

I never been shot in the face with a shotgun. I have no intention to try it out after seeing how it effects faces. I can gleam from the fact that I have played with shotguns and have shot living things before, so I have enough experiencec to know how it turns out if I were to. Play 1 or 2 RMT or free to play game and you have an idea what its like and if you dont like it.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by green13

Typical Bill Roper on this topic - dancing the dance of a million maybes, mights and I don't knows.

It boils down to two pages of bland assurances and "love me, love my MTs".

 

He is right though, many Americans do microtransactions everyday but yet they will complain about companies selling items you do not even need to buy from a cash shop. Amazing how that works.

Clearly you drink the cryptic koolaid.

His examples are flawed. WoW has no RMT. YOu can not buy items for ingame use. YOu MAY win one thru chance in playing the card game. But those items are pure cosmetic and there is no item mall to puchase said cards or cosmetic items.

Guitar hero/Rockband isnt a mmo.

THe problem is that there are idiots who are willing to spend money to get a leg up on others who cant aford to, or unwilling to spend the money. They clealy have stated they will offer in game items that are not just cosmetic. That will do more harm to game sales than anything else.

I dont see where they are saying its shelved. THey say, they are going to release the 2 smaller games.

YOu can read into that, but you can also gleam from this that they want to make the money back, so they can fund further developement of the MMO. THough not very likely. It would cost millions to start over since any dev team they had is long gone. I'm sure they dont want to do that.

So, what did you guys have for breakfast? My girl made me a  scrambled egg  with cheese sandwhich. So yummy.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 On a different note it turns out turkey dogs are overall much better then regular beef hot dogs, and I can easily prove it by eating them both and deciding the turkey dogs taste better.  Anyone dare to challenge me?

 

That depends on the brand. Hebrew Nationals all beef dogs pee all over turkey dogs.

 

Whoa whoa, no way man, hebrew national... they're okay....   but TURKEY dogs.. they've just got such a nice flavor.. perfect for saucing or condiments.  Sausage is a different story.. turkey sausage is the suck... but turkey dogs..    have you tried the oscar mayer  ones?  Thems is nice.

This is completely ridiculous. I mean, yeah, sure, have a laugh at someone else's expense. Derail the topic and make the OP feel even more marginalized than he already is. Well good for you!

Besides, everyone knows Nathan's rocks the Hotdog world. :P

Also, this thread is gay.

hahaha thats... :ahem:  I've never had a nathans hotdog, therefore I refuse to accept it as a ruling hotdog... especially before I check the label for squirrel and snake parts.

Yeah, squirrel and snake parts must be less than cockroach and fecal parts.

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 On a different note it turns out turkey dogs are overall much better then regular beef hot dogs, and I can easily prove it by eating them both and deciding the turkey dogs taste better.  Anyone dare to challenge me?

 

That depends on the brand. Hebrew Nationals all beef dogs pee all over turkey dogs.

 

Whoa whoa, no way man, hebrew national... they're okay....   but TURKEY dogs.. they've just got such a nice flavor.. perfect for saucing or condiments.  Sausage is a different story.. turkey sausage is the suck... but turkey dogs..    have you tried the oscar mayer  ones?  Thems is nice.

This is completely ridiculous. I mean, yeah, sure, have a laugh at someone else's expense. Derail the topic and make the OP feel even more marginalized than he already is. Well good for you!

Besides, everyone knows Nathan's rocks the Hotdog world. :P

Also, this thread is gay.

I dont know any nathan, but it sounds as gay and qweer cop.

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by RogueMaster

Originally posted by Elikal

 

Freedom of Speech in USA used to be an absolute

 

 

You've obviously never read the Constitution. The 1st Amendment does not apply to video games. In fact, it specifically states 'Congress shall make no law' in it's definition of 'free speech'.

 

Last time I checked, Cryptic was not Congress.

 

You fail. Again.

 

Private or public, citizen or corporation, if you're located in the United States or it's territories, you must abide by the Constitution and it's Amendments.  Any service or product is included in this.  Lawsuits are filed and won against private companies and individuals who infringe these rights on a regular basis.  All it needs is someone to challenge it.

The passage you quoted means that no successive law can be made to circumvent the first amendment.

 

Prove this. I call bvllsh1t on this.

 

Did you ever take a government class?  They teach you on day one that the Constitution is the Law of the Land.  The entire purpose of the Supreme Court is to defend and interpret the Constitution and the court system is to ensure everyone abides by it as well.  Anything that a corporation or individual does that is un-constitutional can be challenged and taken to court, doesn't matter if it's on a bulletin board or in a computer game or in the confines of your own home.

Then all TOS' are in violation of the 1st Amendment.

GG w/ your logic.

 

You must not read up on these things much.  TOSs get challenged and beaten all the time in court.  So do contracts and everything else under the sun that violates the Constitution and is willing to be challenged.

Still waiting for you to post proof  of your claims.

Originally posted by Axllow18

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 On a different note it turns out turkey dogs are overall much better then regular beef hot dogs, and I can easily prove it by eating them both and deciding the turkey dogs taste better.  Anyone dare to challenge me?

 

That depends on the brand. Hebrew Nationals all beef dogs pee all over turkey dogs.

 

Whoa whoa, no way man, hebrew national... they're okay....   but TURKEY dogs.. they've just got such a nice flavor.. perfect for saucing or condiments.  Sausage is a different story.. turkey sausage is the suck... but turkey dogs..    have you tried the oscar mayer  ones?  Thems is nice.

 

Well we know OP likes Sausage WOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH! :P Just kiddin OP.

Also, your both wrong. Beef Jerky > all.

YOu know where you can put your jerky? yeah, right there.

I havent tried the O.M> Turk dogs, just some gray sh1t my girl bought. God awful. hebrew national Knock Knockwurst > all

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by Vrazule

Originally posted by RogueMaster

Originally posted by Elikal

 

Freedom of Speech in USA used to be an absolute

 

 

You've obviously never read the Constitution. The 1st Amendment does not apply to video games. In fact, it specifically states 'Congress shall make no law' in it's definition of 'free speech'.

 

Last time I checked, Cryptic was not Congress.

 

You fail. Again.

 

Private or public, citizen or corporation, if you're located in the United States or it's territories, you must abide by the Constitution and it's Amendments.  Any service or product is included in this.  Lawsuits are filed and won against private companies and individuals who infringe these rights on a regular basis.  All it needs is someone to challenge it.

The passage you quoted means that no successive law can be made to circumvent the first amendment.

 

Prove this. I call bvllsh1t on this.

 

Did you ever take a government class?  They teach you on day one that the Constitution is the Law of the Land.  The entire purpose of the Supreme Court is to defend and interpret the Constitution and the court system is to ensure everyone abides by it as well.  Anything that a corporation or individual does that is un-constitutional can be challenged and taken to court, doesn't matter if it's on a bulletin board or in a computer game or in the confines of your own home.

Yes I did, and I passed it. I doubt you did. That constition applies to the government.

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Also, you still dont post any proof to support your claims of court cases.

To early to tell. But the problems with Vista were all related to hate and bad press. Vista had issues, buyt they got fixed. But the damage was done. I suspect that Windows 7 will be just a repackaged Vista. Since I find it hard they could build a new OS so quickly.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 On a different note it turns out turkey dogs are overall much better then regular beef hot dogs, and I can easily prove it by eating them both and deciding the turkey dogs taste better.  Anyone dare to challenge me?

That depends on the brand. Hebrew Nationals all beef dogs pee all over turkey dogs.