Originally posted by marinrider

Originally posted by Souldrainer
Why do game companies always pick Tuesdays to do maintenance? Monday would be better, since most people just work and sleep monday.

I have no doubt that they have done extended research to choose their maintence day.  I would rather it be like Eve though (I think it was Eve) and take a few hours each night in non peak do some maintence and bring it back up.  That way when I have the day off from school or am sick, I'll never get screwed out of a free day due to maintence extended 600 times (its happened -.-)

Microsoft does first Tuesday of every month for large pushouts.

SWG used to be everynite then they went to 1 nite a week.

Eve does that as well.

Sucks since I cant log into the beta to kill more stuff.

Originally posted by VoIgore

Originally posted by popinjay

Okay.. after a little more digging and looking at the article PC Gamer got their info from here:

 

WoW Had 'No Competition' for 7 Years, Rift 'Most Serious Competitor They Ever Had', there's a little left out from the original, so I'll post that part in total:

 

 

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Industry Gamers

 

"So I expect many people will try it and even people who haven’t tried Rift will try Star Wars and then we’ll see where they end up in the long run. I’m actually extremely excited about what’s happening in our space. When we started five years ago, there was only WoW.

Now there’s Rift as an absolute serious contender, with the most dynamic gameplay ever. Then there’s Star Wars, then there’s End of Nations coming. Then there’s Defiance coming, which was MMORPG’s MMO of E3, ahead of Star Wars. So we’re not afraid at all. We actually look forward to it with great excitement. It makes our point."

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Obviously being "ahead of SWTOR" is in no way a hint to a possible earlier release date, but about MMORPG's reception of the game on the E3.

Very good find, should clear up the confusion and avoid any further speculation.

Again a comic that tries to be funny but fails. Keep trying I guess.

Originally posted by MMOrUS

Originally posted by olepi

Sigh, I'm probably just getting old, but I still don't understand why anyone would pre-order something if they don't know what it is. How many other things do you pre-order? You pay for your car, food, house, before you get to see it? You pre-order clothes and then wait to see what they look like? You pay for a movie before it comes out? Weird.

Lets see, yep to the car, you pay your deposit or first monthly installment up front and get your car (in most cases unless your fortunate and have plenty of cash upfront) later on, car turns up and sometimes, not everytime though, but sometimes it turns out to be a bit of a dud, that metallic paint suddenly doesn't appear so metallic, those alloy trims aren't theones you ordered, the leather interior is now cloth, etc etc etc.

Not tue. Majority buy whats on the dealer lot. Even the ones who order, go to a dealership and test drive and review features.

Food thats a definate yes, never heard of online supermarkets? you tick off what you want, it gets delivered later on, but wait a minute those brand name burgers you wanted are replaced with chicken wings!? the Ketchup you wanted now gets replaced with washing up liquid etc etc, it happens alot.

Another poor example. People are buying things they already have consumed prior to ordering.

House, well how many times have ppl bought a house and then when they have moved in find that the previous owners have taken all the fuxtures and fittings and even the floorboards aswell, even though you assumed it was all part of the deal, it happens.

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Never happens. No bank would issue a loan for a house that wont pass inspection.

Cloths ordered online, well you thought you where getting a small t-shirt with a nice print on it, when it turns up you find you got yourself a pink scarf with your initials motiffed on it, but hey at least it's personalised =).

You can return those online purchases. ANother bad example from you.

Nearly everything these days is a pre-order of some description, and you have to take it on good faith that what you purchased it what you will get, the good faith is more on our part than the vendors though.

You take your chances in everything, games aren't so vastly different.

Yes MMO games are very different. You cant return them for full refunds or exchange for another item. All game retailers will state thier return policy will be a big no on any opened electronics.

Preordering any MMO is a bad idea. All those who preorder are the ones that are at fault that MMO companies feel they can release unfinished games. No MMO has ever sold out of copies. Its just ridiculous and it hurts the overall community.

Originally posted by Emeraq

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Emeraq

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by headen

 

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Originally posted by olepi
What is the difference between "griefing" and normal PvP? The normal PvP game has a goal, with benefits to winning. For example, you may get "Realm Points" or something to spend on improving your character skills or gear. Or, you may be attacking or defending a thing, a keep for example, and if you win or lose it it has an effect on the game. For example, take the keep and everybody gets a bonus stat. Xsyon has nothing like this. There is no actual PvP in that sense, since there is no reward for winning and no loss when you lose.
Griefing is player-vs-player too, but the goal is purely to kill the player, there is no other reward. In PvP, I may kill you for a reason, in griefing, killing you is the reason. Xsyon is a griefer's paradise, since there is no normal PvP.

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I like this.

 

That's your definition. Not what it has been for years. So many cowards whose first mmo experience was WOW have tainted the playerbase and turned it into a bunch of cowards who would be better served playing offline games.

 Here's the definition of griefing, easily found by searching on the internet

 

Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players.A griefer's actions (griefing) include kill stealing, player killing, team killing, stealing dropped items from a kill or during inventory reorganization or a mistake, and general harassment.

 

Clearly his definition is a widely accepted definition.  And in regards to your comments about being 'better served playing offline games' you're point is also invalidated there as well, you don't have to play a game just to PVP, you can also play to work together with other players to achieve other goals.

 So any player killing is griefing by that defintion?!?

I guess that there are 10's of millions of griefers out there playing Call of Duty right now.  They should drop the ban hammer on every one of them!  LOL

Thats because Call of Duty is NOT the same game as Xsyon, this comment in itself is proof enough that, there is roleplayers and then there is players that think this is only a game with targets..this made a good laugh atleast :)

It would appear you may have found and edited a definition to suit your point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

Does not agreee with you.

http://internetgames.about.com/od/glossary/g/griefer.htm

Also, does not agree with you.

 I edited nothing... when I ran a search this was the first site that came up for me

 

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Griefer

 

And why didn't you bother to include the informaiton in overview on your first link that reads:

 

A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") for the griefer's own enjoyment. Such a player is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.^[2]

Exact griefing methods differ from game to game. Common methods include:

• Player killing in games that do not have separate areas, or an option, to keep those who want this type of gameplay from attacking those who do not.^[3] This does not include games that are designed with constant player combat in mind.

Maybe you should revist what you originally posted and compare it to the definition you post above. They do not mean the same. It clearly does not say player killing is griefing.

Originally posted by olepi

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by headen

 

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Originally posted by olepi
What is the difference between "griefing" and normal PvP? The normal PvP game has a goal, with benefits to winning. For example, you may get "Realm Points" or something to spend on improving your character skills or gear. Or, you may be attacking or defending a thing, a keep for example, and if you win or lose it it has an effect on the game. For example, take the keep and everybody gets a bonus stat. Xsyon has nothing like this. There is no actual PvP in that sense, since there is no reward for winning and no loss when you lose.
Griefing is player-vs-player too, but the goal is purely to kill the player, there is no other reward. In PvP, I may kill you for a reason, in griefing, killing you is the reason. Xsyon is a griefer's paradise, since there is no normal PvP.

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I like this.

 

That's your definition. Not what it has been for years. So many cowards whose first mmo experience was WOW have tainted the playerbase and turned it into a bunch of cowards who would be better served playing offline games.

Just to be clear, I have never played WoW. I played DAOC and had a blast in RvR. I loved PvP then.

PvP and RvR had a purpose, there was a reason to kill someone. It was useful to take a keep, or kill off some attackers. That is PvP, at least to me.

Griefing is where you kill someone for no reason. There is nothing to gain, no points, nothing to defend. The only reason to kill someone is because you like the feeling of it. Fighting in this way is like dueling, except one player doesn't want to duel. So the net effect is that the killer likes to kill and piss off the other players. That is griefing, IMHO.

See my above post. YOu guys are rewriting the term griefer to suit your point of view and to justify your personal attacks on players like MrDDT. If a game offers open world pvp, they offer it up front, its not a supprise feature. Being pvp'd in a pvp game, is not griefing. Hell, even the GM's at Blizz agree with me. THey have stated on their own forums, there is no such thing as griefing in thier game. Since they provide all the tools for any player to quest, level, mine/herb in a safe area. A player who chooses to put themselves in a posistion to be pvp'd, does so at thier own choice and will suffer the consequences of the lasp of judgement.

Originally posted by thark

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by Emeraq

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by headen

 

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Originally posted by olepi
What is the difference between "griefing" and normal PvP? The normal PvP game has a goal, with benefits to winning. For example, you may get "Realm Points" or something to spend on improving your character skills or gear. Or, you may be attacking or defending a thing, a keep for example, and if you win or lose it it has an effect on the game. For example, take the keep and everybody gets a bonus stat. Xsyon has nothing like this. There is no actual PvP in that sense, since there is no reward for winning and no loss when you lose.
Griefing is player-vs-player too, but the goal is purely to kill the player, there is no other reward. In PvP, I may kill you for a reason, in griefing, killing you is the reason. Xsyon is a griefer's paradise, since there is no normal PvP.

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I like this.

 

That's your definition. Not what it has been for years. So many cowards whose first mmo experience was WOW have tainted the playerbase and turned it into a bunch of cowards who would be better served playing offline games.

 Here's the definition of griefing, easily found by searching on the internet

 

Griefer is the term for a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players.A griefer's actions (griefing) include kill stealing, player killing, team killing, stealing dropped items from a kill or during inventory reorganization or a mistake, and general harassment.

 

Clearly his definition is a widely accepted definition.  And in regards to your comments about being 'better served playing offline games' you're point is also invalidated there as well, you don't have to play a game just to PVP, you can also play to work together with other players to achieve other goals.

 So any player killing is griefing by that defintion?!?

I guess that there are 10's of millions of griefers out there playing Call of Duty right now.  They should drop the ban hammer on every one of them!  LOL

Thats because Call of Duty is NOT the same game as Xsyon, this comment in itself is proof enough that, there is roleplayers and then there is players that think this is only a game with targets..this made a good laugh atleast :)

It would appear you may have found and edited a definition to suit your point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

Does not agreee with you.

http://internetgames.about.com/od/glossary/g/griefer.htm

Also, does not agree with you.

Originally posted by headen

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Originally posted by olepi
What is the difference between "griefing" and normal PvP? The normal PvP game has a goal, with benefits to winning. For example, you may get "Realm Points" or something to spend on improving your character skills or gear. Or, you may be attacking or defending a thing, a keep for example, and if you win or lose it it has an effect on the game. For example, take the keep and everybody gets a bonus stat. Xsyon has nothing like this. There is no actual PvP in that sense, since there is no reward for winning and no loss when you lose.
Griefing is player-vs-player too, but the goal is purely to kill the player, there is no other reward. In PvP, I may kill you for a reason, in griefing, killing you is the reason. Xsyon is a griefer's paradise, since there is no normal PvP.

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I like this.

I tried to read the OP's post, but the grammar was so bad i couldn't get thru it.

Originally posted by saucelah

Originally posted by mmonooblet

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by TUX426

SWG has always had very vocal and very dedicated players, even to this day.

Do you think it's possible that they are a much more vocal group BECAUSE of the NGE? I mean, they've seen what can happen when they say nothing. By the time something as drastic as the NGE is decided on, it's too late. Did they learn to be more vocal because of this?

I'm not justifying negative behavior or posts just to be negative, but I do think there is something to be said about speaking up. DURING development (as SW:ToR is) is when they NEED to say what they want in a game.

First that's exactly why they/we, are/were vocal, second you seem to be implying I have a problem with them stating their opinions.

NGE happened due to complaints IMO so I don't agree with that question in reference to what us SWG vets think . We all think something different I doubt its that we wished we spoke up more though.. We did, it just didn't matter anymore, as everyone else had spoke with their wallets prior to CU and NGE.

I didn't imply any such thing. If you're looking to fight, find another post.

And Daffid is correct, NGE happened purely due to GREED by SoE, not complaints on the forum.

NGE happened because SWG sucked and they attempted to fix it.  EVERY decision made by EVERY developer is purely based on GREED.  They exist to make money.

It's definitely true that some aspects of SWG sucked, but not in any way true that the entire game sucked.  The NGE didn't just throw out the baby with the bathwater, it sucked the life force right out of the baby and bled it pale.  They could have worked on the frustrating aspects without ridding the game of its unique, more interesting aspects.  

Originally posted by Miles-Prower

Originally posted by junzo316

This is really going to hurt them.  Usually when an MMO releases to bad reviews and word of mouth, they don't seem to grow much population wise.  It's a stigma that sticks with the game.

I fully expect a "re-review" in the near future. There will be an overwhelming amount of backlash from the review which will result in an apology and a new review; which will be grossly inflated.

Now, where did I put my Tin-foil hat?

 

~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can!

 What backlash? I read the reviews from users, seems to no backlash from them. The reviews run the full range of the scores, pretty balanced. And why would anybody from Gamespot care is some people at SE are butt hurt? SE doesn't pay the bills, neither do the fanboys.

Lol! People admiting to buying from GameStop. If you shop there, you should expect to be ripped off, over charged, or flat out lied to. If you don't expect that, you are fooling yourself.

Wish more companies would use torrent to get thier stuff out. Funcom used it for beta, worked great.

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by lugal

There is a mod that alows you to fly with a joystick.

EVE doesn't have mods, but nice try.

 

I probably wouldn't play if you had to fly with a joystick, honestly. I always thought it would be cool to have smart fighters on carriers and allow players to fly the drones around manually. 

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1047881

No....... that's just joystick emulation. If I was going to do something like that, I would just use XPadder. 

A Mod, would be changing the game itself to allow for joystick control. Not turning joystick actions into keystrokes via external programs. 

Symantics, but whatever.

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by lugal

There is a mod that alows you to fly with a joystick.

EVE doesn't have mods, but nice try.

 

I probably wouldn't play if you had to fly with a joystick, honestly. I always thought it would be cool to have smart fighters on carriers and allow players to fly the drones around manually. 

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1047881