Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by Venger
Is this really what mmorpg.com has become?  At this point right and wrong doesn't matter mods and/or admins should of stepped in a long time ago and stopped this crap.

If you read my OP you will see that the only thing i did was inform people that greedmonger changed back to Unity. I also asked why they removed every trace of the game, even interviews. Is that wrong or an attack at Mr. Appleton or his game?

 

It has never been about right or wrong. It is about information and the removal of it. I am sure we all can agree that MMORPG can do whatever they please on their forums, but that does not mean we as a community have to like it. If there is a concern about this becoming a presedence (which i seriously doubt) then people should be able to voice that concern.

 

If a disgruntled developer comes here and threatens to sue MMORPG and some of it's users then it should be made public and discussed because it affects everyone to some extend.

I personal find it disgraceful that this Jerry Springer episode has been allowed to keep going.  The class of this site has definitely gone down on this site over the years.  I am all for honesty but this trash thread has stopped about being honest y a while ago.

Originally posted by Fugglier
Guess the GM guys didnt know thats what we do here, needlessly and senselessly bash games.

Sadly we gone beyond just bashing games.  It seams to become a competition of who can be the bigger ass.  I feel sorry for indie companies that don't have the money to pay professional pr people that are trained to deal with the trashy people on the internet.

The ironic thing about all the hate towards GM (and indie games in general) is we all bitch, moan, and whine about wanting something different.  A game created by gamers for gamers not some corporate suits that don't have a clue what we want.  So we get a indie team like the GM team who are not suits, who are learning some things as they go, and are very passionate about their game.  Learning some things as they go you must assume there will be some mistakes.  Being new and trying to be very open to the community you also must assume they will state some things long before they should.  Then you have passion, passion is a double edged sword.  You have to take the good with the bad.

Will I get my moneys worth?  Time will tell, but I'd rather spend some money on a gamble then to keep spending money on the same old same old.

To me variety and depth are pretty similar.  There are two varities in a mmo game as I see it.  Varity in game play and variety within game features.

Variety in game play which should be a little easier then features, though most are so focued on combat this is usually non-existent.  UO had depth in game play because I could play a fisherman, smith, warrior, hunter, tailor.........  and be successful in my own way.

Variety within a feature is much more complex.  How do you give a players variety in experiences which in a single feature.  

Combat for example, I feel that combat could be much more diverse if developers wouldn't follow the narrow view of the holy trinity.  Roles could still be maintained without following the narrow definition of the trinity.

Originally posted by Jacxolope

-My Bad for mistyping and misunderstanding.

I appologize for also spreading bad information- I had thought I had read that somewhere but upon looking closer I was mistaken (and badly, at that)

-That sounds much more realistic and honestly was one of my issues. I was thinking (again, mistakenly so-) that this was being rolled out in April. From drawing board to full fledged MMO in a few months.

Again, my mistake. For that I am sorry.

Takes a big person to admit when they are wrong, I commend you.

Originally posted by Jacxolope

 

Hmmm- Isnt that exactly what jason Appleton is? An "Armchair Designer and expert at everything" who is now using other peoples Money and changing everything up now that Money is in hand?

I think any of us here could do the same- Some of us are also "game designers" and "idea guys" who first want a solid design before asking for money. I too could cut and paste, pay for facebook likes, lie and hype and promise the World. I too could promise a F2P game which does all and then (once getting 90K) say "oops, my bad..Going to need a Monthly with that"

-That is called Shady in my book and folks have a right to know.

Some of us also want our projects on KS and with all the scamming (and potential scamming) lies, etc...People will have been burned too many times before we are ready. Jason (evidently) wasnt ready.

EDIT: -But as you said- Its your right to spend your money however you wish (and everyones)- You can throw it out the window for all I care (and I think you have, in this case) but time will tell. Its  our right to try and inform people of what we know, suspect and have seen.

No an arm chair designer is someone who sits on their ass and shots at the rafters how they could do better.  Jason is at least trying.

When you get your project up on KS let me know and I'll check it out.  The rest of your post I'm not going to waste my time with.  

Originally posted by RPGForever

Originally posted by Venger

 

Is it a risk? Yep, but the time has come to put up or shut up.

 

 

Excuse me, are you asking me to shut up in a place intended to express opinions?. Excuse me, I do not have any need to take risks, I am a gamer not a Wall Street investor.

Well I don't think anyone else should be risking my money so I'm pretty sure I was taking about myself.  I thought that was pretty clear about that.  Apparently not.

Originally posted by Torik

Originally posted by botrytis

As the old saying goes, 'Don't piss in my sandbox, I won't piss in yours.'

 

I am kind of sick of people whining about this topic - it seems nothing is ever good enough for them. You get one, you get one - you don't OH well - play something else.

Of course, a big part of the problem is that some peopel are insisant that it's not really a sandbox if they cannot make other players play in urine-soaked sand.

Yep agree with this completely.