OP:  have you ever heard of the term "sheep"? Not the animal but what it means when applied to humans.

"BAH BAH BAH its popular so it has to be the best"  says the lil sheep.

One things im liking about aion is that grinding is a good alternative to lvling.  I hate quest driven mmogs.    

Seriously why does my character have to be the worlds personal b*tch.   Oh my cats in a tree run for 30 minutes kill 50 ents and run back to me for 30 minutes.  I hate quests.

Love to grind though specialy in groups.  Thats why i still play mmos.   Grinding a dungeon goofing off with a bunch of players. YA thats why i pay 15 dollars a month for.

Not to go do some cheesy story saving npc number 200000583883.

Im confused are you having issues patching the client or a game card?

If its the patching.  Did any files get deleted or corrupted? Or better yet whats the details on why you cant patch.

Else   That sucks. I like using game cards but I couldnt find any so I just used my GreenDot card. 

Originally posted by EduardoASG

it is a scam for people wihtout other means than prepaid cards yes.

It is going to force you to get another prepaid card other than the one free gametime offered.

And no, not any other mmo does the same.. dont believe the fan boys.

Not realy.  You bought 90 days or however many to access that service.  It doesnt charge every 30 days or if you choose a 1++ month sub on your CC. Its not like that. Its not a NCsoft credit card. Its a way to buy so many days for a service.

I dont know of any buisness that lets you for example buy a 1-year liscence or subscription and get a refund because you dont  want it anymore. 

Now I did hear of someone sueing ATnT because they wouldnt release him out of there contract even though he only had used the phone for a month. But that was office gossip, doubt its true.

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Just wanted to say look at the back cover of Aion or infact any p2p mmog and youll see that you need a CC or game card to activate.

Its standard.  And it helps cut down on fake cd keys.

Also all you need is a CC with 1 dollar thats how they tell if its valid.

I doubt ill resub.  Its stupid that i paid upfront to get a early start then have to wait for rediculous que times or  loose my early start.

Just because two crapy games loss massive amounts of subs doesnt mean the consumer has to suffer.  So instead of losing a customer to game design you lost one to not providing a service he paid for.  My company would be losing customers in droves if we pulled this sh*t.

Stand by your product and have enough supply to meet ur demand. If they feel alot of players will leave then maybe theyre right its not worth staying around for.

Go ahead and spin that bs  mmog fanboys.  I dont believe in its my fault i didnt spread my cheeks further apart cause they didnt want to use to much lube.

Went from 1hr que to 2hr que.

Sure am glad I payed 50 bucks for a digital hour glass. (Was being sarcastic)  I got other games to play.

I get what you mean op. Not compare as in content or playability but in design.

Hmm....

Well I would say I like the idea of sectors, seamless world and complexity that EvE has but it seems like a game for those who like  number crunching and economy. Wouldnt like to see that in a ST game. 

Now I feel that STO seems to focus on a action type of game, get in get out no real substance just quick easy time killer (fun is selective).

Combat seems like most fantasy mmos. And the idea of everyone a captain flying there own ship in group encounters just seems kinda cheesy.  

I always saw ST like the scene from that STNG movie with them in the holo deck playing sailors. But what made it enjoyable for me was the science (sci fi to be technical). Tolkien had mythology and Rodenbury(cant spell) had science; with there own twist on it (even bought his non ST comics). 

Long story short  I would rather see STO be a EvE copy than a wow clone.  But I would rather STO be ST.

But no big deal stop likeing ST when Babylon 5 aired.  Now if Cryptic got the rights to a Bab 5 game.  Well I dont want to leave any incriminating evidence.

So you can apply the items to multiple characters?  Was wondering about this.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Scalebane

Some people just want to play with their long time guilds, and no where else, so they are gonna complain, just don't read it if it bugs you that much lol

 

And they let you but with a cost, long waiting times.

 

The most popular servers been known on most fansites since NCSoft announced the servers.

If your guild took the most populated server blame them but not NC.

 

You cant expect them to just add servers for the sake of it.

when everything goes to the 15% userbase online per server in a couple days/weeks everyone would be  complaining about ghost towns.

 

What the hell.  I dont care. I pay they provide. I dont care why there having troubles or reason for not giving me what I pay for. Part of the deal with pre-ordering was the 2 day start.

I cant get away with this 5h1t at my job. And neither could you unless you work at the dmv, post office..... or somethn.  I can understand if its a technical problem but all they have to do is open more servers they will have to at release.

They will add more at launch why not do it now.

Not so much mad about not getting in (still think its BS)  Just tired of everyone supplying excusess and believing PR BS in this industry. A game not being fun, more than understandable. But buissness practice and standards, no , no reason for them to feel its okay for customers not to get there service.

Originally posted by Babylon9000

If your talking a solo game Im sure it would work.
 

 

I thought you were describing what you'd like to see in an MMO since you said you were hoping for a comic book MMO that had the features you listed.

 

As far as an interactive environment goes, Champions does have interactive objects that can be used as weapons or hurled and telekinisis is an option.

 

I still say that an MMO with the level of interactivity in the environment you are looking for would have performance issues.

 

 

So your saying an event cant effect objects who fall within a number of coordinates that it passes?   Lets call this "Area of Effect".  So an "Area of Effect" cant call  an action that is predifined amongst a number of actions whose execution is triggerd by what variable that is passed into this "object"? Lets call this "Script".

And your also saying that  its impossible for the server to receive and also send the target coordinates of the "Area of Effect" to other users who  have the same object and the same "Script".

Read up on what Bioware is planing for the Smuggler.

Or better yet if you were playing mmogs back then.  Remember how Items in UO existed outside your inventory.  How you could drag an item off the inventory menu and have it exist in the game world to be interacted with by other players.

Clicking on a object in a multiplayer game or steping on a location that triggers a script in a multiplayer game.  Is no different than an attack that you execute. Ive even clicked on doors in some mmos and the door opened for everyone on the server who was within a certain distance to the door.

I hope you dont have a Computer science degree or plan on earning one.  Cause you would lack creativity in your code.

Its realy not that hard, im serious its not.  Specialy in a Guild Wars type MMO.

Well Ive own every console game (atari and beyond) except 360 and wii. And console games are for kids and adults who want simple games. Sorry thats just how it is.

Only time I play my ps3 is if I want a quick game to play then I go to blockbuster rent a game and beat it in 3 days if its good. 1 day if its a common console game.

Sorry since the days of atari consoles have always been a quick easy gaming experience.

Why do you think WII is dominating everything.    Cause microsoft and sony forgot what consoles are for. They got greedy trying to dominate everything.

I always laugh when I go to walmart or Gamestop and the wii demos have a few people around it while the ps3 and xbox are empty.  And I always have to wait in line so some kid and his mom buy a wii game.

Only time I hear someone talk about ps3 or 360 is sports games everything else is wii.  And for some reason girls are into the wii, 90% in my job have one and talk about the work out games.

Maybe its different for your city but here its the WII.   

Why do you think we IT/IS guys have a job. The common person is lazy and simple minded.  Reality isnt like Star Trek.

Originally posted by Babylon9000

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

The idea of DC mmorpg sounds cool but.....  It kinda sounds bland.

Im still hoping for a comic mmorpg that gives players abilities that effect the physics of the game world instead of different themed attacks.

Sorta like telekinessis being like HL or force unleashed. 

X-ray vision turning on a wall hack.

Lightning that reacts to the game world. Sure the guy was selected but he was standing next to a metal pole so you missed.   Oh hes in water or hes a robot; instant double crit ftw.

One attack that changes depending on whats around you or happening.  Instead of one ability with 20 different attacks.

Wouldnt have to be a sandbox type of game (wouldnt work for a comic book mmo imo).                         Just a guild wars type game with your own city and missions that take you and ur friends thru some epic instance with the JL base or star labs as a central hub.             Where players are given the option to turn on pvp for there city so when there loged on player villans can help your npc villans rob your city or vice-versa.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck. But sounds like a dog and its called a dog.

Im sorry im not that gullable......Its just a weird duck.

This all sounds pretty cool but at this point in time just isnt possible.

Do you have any idea of the computer each player would have to have at home? The hardware required for the servers? The hours of programming it would take to accomplish something of this magnitude? Like I said, just not possible at this point in time...maybe in the not to distant future.
 

Guess you havnt been playing console games or FPS lately.    Games already have this just not all of it mixed together.
 

Also notice I mentioned Guild Wars.  Never said a game world with 100000000 people in a map the size of mars. .

You dont need a beast of a machine to run a good physics engine. Ive never programed using physX  but im sure its more than capable to run these basic calculations.

Telekenisis is already been done numerous times in games.     Havnt played that lightning game for the ps3 but from what ive seen they do some amazing stuff with it. And even force unleashed had lighting reacting to different items and mobs in game.  X-ray vision is something most fps try to get rid of.

All these things are very possible with our current tech and has been for awhile.

Hell look at what TOR is planing with there smuggler and there cover mechanic.

Its not impossible or extremly complex just outside the box.

The idea of DC mmorpg sounds cool but.....  It kinda sounds bland.

Im still hoping for a comic mmorpg that gives players abilities that effect the physics of the game world instead of different themed attacks.

Sorta like telekinessis being like HL or force unleashed. 

X-ray vision turning on a wall hack.

Lightning that reacts to the game world. Sure the guy was selected but he was standing next to a metal pole so you missed.   Oh hes in water or hes a robot; instant double crit ftw.

One attack that changes depending on whats around you or happening.  Instead of one ability with 20 different attacks.

Wouldnt have to be a sandbox type of game (wouldnt work for a comic book mmo imo).                         Just a guild wars type game with your own city and missions that take you and ur friends thru some epic instance with the JL base or star labs as a central hub.             Where players are given the option to turn on pvp for there city so when there loged on player villans can help your npc villans rob your city or vice-versa.

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, tastes like a duck. But sounds like a dog and its called a dog.

Im sorry im not that gullable......Its just a weird duck.

Sorry didnt mean to post twice and not sure How to delete it (not in the mood to go huntn) 

Thread is actn weird for me......... Must be that Game guard on my computer. :p

Workstation?  You know why they call em workstations right?  You know cause you do work on em.

Seriously though.  Im playing on release, Havnt played any of my f2p games or fps since OB closed. Which is kinda weird for me. And nothing looks good right now:

MO sounds like script/mod kiddies are making it.

TOR sounds like another Bioware game, some people like em but I only play there games for the IP and if it wasnt for the IPs I would never buy one of there games.  SP its okay but I dont like my mmos that way.

Fallen Earth: Played in beta and after awhile it reminded me of Horrizons but I feel Horizons was a better crafting game (not saying it was good but SWG (the original) was the best).

The exception is Earthrise and FF but im playing it cool for those two games till they get close to release. But i get the feeling ill be playing Aion till FF comes out.           Which should be a year or two till usa sees it (havnt followed it but thats how the current one went down).

Long story short, yall ill be playing it on release.

Never had a problem with gameguard. And if anyone does post some info and errors and ill help you.

But there are software I despise.    First on the list Ez-fix, overpriced hack. My boss makes me use it on our systems and most my days are spent finding ways to stop it messing with the database. Did I mention how overpriced it is.

Cookies: Sure there a good idea but why does every site barage you with cookies, and some wont let you access them unless You enable em. And those happen to be the sites users need to access.

Anti-Virus: For some reason free ones work better but most the time I find the software before the program gets a update to find it. And they mess up more than they fix.

Worldship: 50 steps just to do one simple thing.

Visual C++ IDE: Sure it makes making windows easier but It sucks compared to my old borland.

Vista: What the hell was MS thinking, hopefuly win7 is setup more like winxp and those before it. Its a pain just to do simple   things.

World of Warcraft: Not so much the program but my brother always tries to get me to play it. And I cant stand the thing. And everytime a new game comes out he gets hyped but then hears one bad thing and runs back to WoW.   Its like hes married to blizzard or something.   Or im starting to think Warcraft abuses him if he tries to leave her. 

Whats the big deal about gameguard?  Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.

Originally posted by todeswulf

If not Aion what?

For me it's a little game called World of Warcraft, which I enjoy more with every expansion. I tried Aion, the concept is cool angels vs demons and yeah you can fly...but it is so Asianedafied, and I detest, loathed and hate that whole genre. I have no doubt all the Fat guys in salior Moon costumes will dig this one, but it just isn't for me.

I detest and loath Disneyafied games like WoW.  Cant stand Runes of Magic either. Makes me feel like im in candy land.

Originally posted by altairzq

Just played for 2 hours so I'm just talking about first impression (which is very important btw). It's very similar to WoW, with most features a bit improved, except smoothnes and animations, WoW is still on top of that, although Aion is pretty good.

 

 

I know this was way up there but.... How can you think WoW has better animations.

Casting a spell looks like your about to blow someones arm off.  In wow It looked like I was playing dance dance revolution.

But then again all of WoWs style seemed like a 80s saturday cartoon. 

Maybe you have a old card or something. But the movements are fluid and so is the cloth.  Sound is even top notch.

About the topic....

I wouldnt say amazing cause its not my favorite type of mmo (Big on "sandbox") But the game is realy immersive.

Ive even found myself reading some quets.  One of em I dont know if it was a quest chain or something but I had to give a guy a book about nymphs and I started killing stuff.  Got a book as a drop and it was about the same guy but long story short im hiding out at a waterfall trying to steal a girls dress.

Graphics and art style mesh good.  Animations and sound are solid (for the classes I played).  Weather and NPC mob interaction are a plus aswell.

Well its a F2P so ya its a grinder (what mmog isnt to some extent)  But ive played worse. 

Ayways....

You dont start off with alot of skills.  Kinda reminds me of Mir3 a lil in that aspect.  But the effects are cool even like the target circle.

Also you have to set the resolution after you login (cant do it ingame) And also force AA and AF if you have a good card makes a big difference. Graphics look real good though except the sky(static).  I would say better or atleast even to Atlantica. With a less Cartoony Final Fantasy style. (looks better than FF imo)

You get quest waypoints in the game even a line showing you how to get to them. But only if your in that zone.  So you have to read the quest log to find out what zone to go to but after that it goes on easy mode.  Except one quest I got way back that wanted me to find a womans sister but didnt give any hints to the zone. 

Havnt done pvp yet so not sure how balanced it is.  But from what I can tell from the classes I doubt itll ever be balanced for 1v1. The support class pretty much has mostly buffs and heals, a few damage attacks and most of those get a bonus to demons and undead.  Also theres two races that have a racial that when grouped with each other they get a buff. So this is a team game.

Also this is OB (think its been in japan for a lil bit) so it doesnt have as much content as rappelz or Perfect world.

Pretty much its a decent f2p but Japan style instead of korean. Dont expect a WoW killer or the new UO or SWG.  

Also when you create an Account itll ask you for a passport Id (Not as bad as one who asked me for my SS# which i never did and deleted the game.)  I put in a old phone number and it took it soooooo  ya.