Originally posted by Rold

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

 

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

 

Well.. I don't think it's 90% lies.. seeing as it's the same stuff the trolls have been reporting.. And they are always right!!

I hope you understand now that you could be even called a liar and troll though you played the game but did not made "DF-is-soooo-ubergreat-and -fun" post .  Everything that is against propaganda should not be listened to.

Great news though.. none of the problems with darkfall affect you one bit.  Smile.. your day just got brighter.

Originally posted by Orthedos

This is bullshit.  That he has no intention of buying automatically robs him of the right to talk about it?  What sort of logic are you using?
 

He has exercised judgment and decided that DF is not worth his money.  He proceeded to talk with us about his views.  There is no contradiction there.  Fact is, I for one, want to listen to his views.

Why are you so insecured, as to try to stop people from talking?  You are trying to stop him from telling us how bad HE SEES the game DF is?  You want to keep telling us that DF is good, and you now want to stop people from telling otherwise.  I wonder seriously your intention here, to market the failed product named DF?

Never mind, your words lost all credit.  You and what you try to say will be subjected to heavy suspicion, the product your recommended subjected to heavy suspicion.

Did you read about his qualms??  go read the OP before you attack me. 

Read my post history then come talk to me.  You don't know what you are complaining about.  None of the issues Darkfall has affect you in anyway.  He only posts here.  He doesn't post the problems that WoW, WAR, AOC, EQ, EQ2, AC, AC2, AO, TB, ECT have.  You don't see anything wrong with this??

You and mcquad are perfect for each other.  Two blind haters with as much information as a two year old.. judging a game they don't plan on playing.

So, since this problem doesn't affect you what so ever, go away.  You won't have to worry about lag in massive battles.  You won't have to worry about Queue times.  You don't have to worry about ANY of the issues the game has because they do not affect you..   Some people..

Originally posted by Majinash

just playing devils advocate but... when Lineage2 launched in NA, there were tons of crashes, players even found ways to crash the server, and exploited how the DB was saved during those crashes.

 

however, years later Lineage2 is still up and running.  That doesn't mean DF will still be going, crashes aren't the only issue players are dealing with, but I'm just saying: they don't tend to kill MMOs this early.

Second server crash during a Stasis siege.   If you want to crash the server, raid hyperion.

AV wins..

Another siege thwarted by AV.. good fight guys..

I don't imagine this game lasting long if this keeps happening.

It's been: Hyperion sieges, server stays up.  Stasis sieges, server crashes.

Lags so bad..5 minute delay in chat.. 10 second delay o n weapon switch.. took 30 seconds to get a bindstone notice.

Originally posted by APEist

 Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

I've been with my clan even before Darkfall.

So, Yes. 

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Random_mage 

Hmm.. someone wasn't paying attention in english class..

 

Fact: not many people driver hummers.

 

 

I bet I know who the culprit was!

Typo.. But.. thanks for being an example of internet jocky.  You've proven that you can't be witty in real life, but behind the keyboard, you're a stud.  We saltue, internet jocky!

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Random_mage

I don't use X-fire and I don't knwo anyone who does. So.. by your logic.. people with the first name of A playing Darkfall reprsent the majority.

 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_(statistics)

 

X-fire numbers are flawed though.

You can't draw a conclusion based on a subset of users. 

You can't pull statitcis based on a trends of a group of users.  It's flawed. 

I'm having trouble articulating thoughts today.

But.. here we go.

5% of bald men have toupees..

therefor 5% of men have toupees?? 

5% of Darkfall players have X-fire.  if that 5% quits, then I guess Darkfall is empty.. correct..

 

hmm someone wasn't listening in maths class...

 

the entire mathematical field of statistical theory is based around the practise of sampling a subset of a population. GG. Btw, the example you gave doesn't even have anything to do with statistics.

 

try reading this: www.socialresearchmethods.net/kb/sampstat.htm

Hmm.. someone wasn't paying attention in english class.. you know.. when they talked about analogies..

Saying that the entire pop of Darkfall is down because the amount of users that have X-fire that play Darkfall is down isn't right.

Fact: Hummers get pulled over more than any other car.

Fact: not many people driver hummers.

You see what I'm getting at? 

X-fire players quit playing more games than any other group of players.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Random_mage

I don't use X-fire and I don't knwo anyone who does. So.. by your logic.. people with the first name of A playing Darkfall reprsent the majority.

 

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_(statistics)

X-fire numbers are flawed though.

You can't draw a conclusion based on a subset of users. 

You can't pull statitcis based on a trends of a group of users.  It's flawed. 

I'm having trouble articulating thoughts today.

But.. here we go.

5% of bald men have toupees..

therefor 5% of men have toupees?? 

5% of Darkfall players have X-fire.  if that 5% quits, then I guess Darkfall is empty.. correct..

Originally posted by 3on1

Since the overwhelming majority of the ppl on these forums see Xfire as solid proof for how a game is doing i present to you the xfire stats for DF: http://www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

notice that it has been dropping since release? all those messages about "ppl waiting in line to purchase the game" make me laugh tbh. just a bit longer and it will fall under games like Anarchy Online (with about 10-12k subs atm)

or are we gonna argue that DF players, playing a game that is solely advertised on the internet, are not using xfire at all? that suddenly the casual gamers are now using xfire instead of the die hard whiz kids out there?

discuss

No.

I don't use X-fire and I don't knwo anyone who does. So.. by your logic.. people with the first name of A playing Darkfall reprsent the majority.
 

Originally posted by Deto123

Played the game, enjoyed it , then realized that was it. What I m saying is it got boring extremly fast. Played with a good group of people only 3 are left playing, we all had that been there done that feeling with SB. Only thing is we found SB WAY better. In the end we all sold our accounts :) To each their own, it was just meh to me and most of my long time guild mates.

Yeah, I get that feeling, too.  It feels like AC.. but.. in AC everything was NEW and seeing a Tusker/Olthoi for the first time was great.  But until I got to see the scary stuff in the high end, I know I have to kill the low level stuff to build up.

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

 

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

Well.. I don't think it's 90% lies.. seeing as it's the same stuff the trolls have been reporting.. And they are always right!!

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by jojotheduck

Wasn't hard for me to get, played for a day and decided I liked it, but just didn't have the time for it. Extremely time consuming so it doesn't work well with having a job and wife, and a life outside of my office.

It's true.  At first I thought I could just pick it up, run around and kill things, but the more I play it the more time it seems to take up.  From going from one place to another (1.5 hours from yssem to the area I'm at now.. which isn't even half way across the map).  That's a long ways to go.. and if you die.. You're pretty much screwed..

The time it takes up to level skills is long.  Especially if you have a starter weapon.  No real point to playing if you only have a starter weapon.. at least not long periods of time.

 

I have a wife, a job, and a 3month-old son. i highly recommend macroing the dull stuff while you do RL stuff so you can do the fun stuff with the time leftover. TBH, like EVE, solo play is for the dedicated, for the majority the game is 100x better once you get into a clan, especially one that owns a city/hamlet. then the real fun starts.

 

i feel sorry for those who play the game for < 10 hours without getting into the larger clan-v-clan game.

 

as for me, played since beta. love it. dislike some of the rough edges but the core game is awesome (unlike most other MMOs IMO), and the frills and polish will come.

 

I am in a clan.  The thing is, they gave out the pre-order link on our forums, and I wasn't ready to pre-order darkfall. iw anted them to work out the bugs first.   But, my clan didn't.  so, the majority of them are out fighting high level stuff, have mounts and tons of gear.  I don't like things handed to me, so I told them I'd work up to that point.

I also don't like macroing.. and with the starter weapon fix, it makes is sort of impractical, although I could just go into part of our city and do it.. I guess that wouldn't be so bad..

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Krayzjoel
The Darkfall game comcept is a great one but it's being run by some inept people right now. I would probrobly try it out if Adventurine gets ahold of the rampant cheating, billing problems, duct tapes Taco's mouth, and the community police's itself.

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Agree with the great concept. People fighting for fighting's sake and not for shinies only or retarded points or tokens. Good idea to have multiple factions and political drama.

 

I'll still wait for the NA version personally, but would like to see the game succeed being that a very small independent company released it. Hopefully it will entice larger corporations to fund or take chances on smaller labs in the future instead of just bankrolling the same 3 or 4 companies who churn out the same product.

Whether it fails or grows, I it would be refreshing to see other game makers will take note of the things it does right and put them into their future designs.
 

I agree with your points.  I don't think we should throw our money at every independant developer though.   We do need something to break the mega giant WoW game model, but giving our money to somebody who pretty much copies everything that's been done in the past??

Darkfall has the potential to be great.  It has a huge varied world, they just need more reasons to fight over things.  In AC, you'd figure over a dungeon beause the xp was good, or the loot was good.. or .. for something valid.  In Darkfall, it's all about pride, and for people like me who don't care about pride in a video game..?? Resources are everywhere, making that little plot of land nothing more than a fluff item.  There are enough towns with banks close.. I could see if they implemented a lot of the features they planned on implementing (guard towers for player towns, or at least NPCs) but until then.. whatever power struggle there is.. is only a struggle because the people make it that way.

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

Let's point out the obvious.

1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started

Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.

2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.

This part is accurate :) I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.

3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.

 I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.

Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?

4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.

Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.

5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.

Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

 

 

 

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine :)

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.
 

apparently you don't get it.
 

GF.. read all of the post. 

 

No I get it..but your post, even though you felt was honest and straight forward, was actually very negative in almost every aspect. The "obvious" as you stated is only obviouse to you. I was sharring my experiences that show your views are not as obvious to everyone...

If you were trying to point out DF's flaws you passed, if you were trying to give ppl a reason not to flame...you failed!

And as a side note, if you were trying to tell ppl of DF's flaws but that you still enjoy the game and only ppl playing it should have a comment...I will give you a "barely succeeds" :) You basically just added more fuel to the fire.

Nope.. still don't get it.  Read it one more time. 

You're doing pretty good at trolling me though.. I really wish people like you would use your powers for good instead of evil..

I tried to get the game a couple of times myself.  I ended up getting it .. like.. some time in early april.  It's not the greatest thing ever, but it's more fun then a lot of other stuff I've played.  It really feels like Vanguard in the start (You lose everything except your starter weapon when you die), and since I played on the PvP server for Vanguard, I still have that "be wary of everyone" over view.  I kind of wish there were character names because when people all look the same it's hard to figure out who the enemy is.  Worse yet, when you get attacked out of nowhere from a group of friendlies/non-friendlies, it's hard to fight back.

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

Let's point out the obvious.

1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started

Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.

2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.

This part is accurate :) I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.

3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.

 I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.

Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?

4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.

Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.

5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.

Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

 

 

 

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine :)

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.
 

apparently you don't get it.
 

GF.. read all of the post. 

Originally posted by spacebot

 

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Originally posted by Random_mage

 

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
 

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You do know that for many of us, watching the troll/fanboi wars here is like a sporting event? It's like pvp in one of those text based mmo thingies.  Some folks like to jump in others like to watch. I spend about 5 minutes a day here.
I work, come home, eat, play, some do other stuff, and check out this place to see how the wars are going and if I could one day acually play Darkfall in a free trial!

 

I would agree with you, but like it's been said many times, people who come here to get information about the game (Like the game is in a pay for alpha/beta state, the shop isn't really open that much, some people are having fun playing Darkfall) can't, because it's clogged up with the same redundent posts from the same people.  Who don't plan on playing the game.

Originally posted by Devour

We do not "hate" on Darkfall because we disagree with the idea of it, or because we hate PvP, or because we hate the sandbox sub-genre as a whole.

No, quite the opposite. The majority of us love the idea of a sandbox game, another SWG, maybe, or UO reborn like the phoenix from the flames. What we do is an effort of devotion and love to an ailing companion (the sandbox sub-genre), or perhaps as we do to a sickened cow that threatens the entire herd (Darkfall).

Darkfall could've been something we'd loved, something we could've cherished and been utterly enthralled by, an object of our entertainment and well being. But, alas, that was not to be. The cow has got sickened, and, in order to protect anything that may yet to be born or has been born but is yet waning, it must be killed, finished, executed.

Darkfall is little more than a large scale Unreal Tournament domination game, with optional gear changes and skill ups, it is not a sandbox. It is a broken dream.

Terminus est.

I'm having an Okay time playing Darkfall.  Why should I stop playing because you don't like it?  Do you like Hello kitty online? 

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

Let's point out the obvious.

1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started

2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.

3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.

4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.

5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.