This post is going to be slightly bias and maybe even a tad ignorant. So if im wrong on any of my points please politely let me know.

I took one or two days recently to get into this spvp thing and it seemed like a fail. I tried to give it a chance but it seems like it lacks this certain addictive property that games like league of legends and call of duty has.  Hard to put my finger on it, but in both of the other games i mentioned there are rare occasions when u can feel like a total bad a$$. i dont get that in GW2. It gets boring after 15-30mins. 

Plus i dont like the matchmaking system, im not sure if i dont understand it very well but i dont like that people can drop out and join at any time interfering with the flow of game and i dont know if someone has dropped and left my team at a disavantage. Plus seems to be a slight imbalance with the thief job. No matter what job im playing, mes, ele, rng, war im always getting owned by thiefs. and its the only job that is a threat to me. Everybody needs to be on common ground as far as threat is concerned.

In gw1 i could join a pug group in any pvp and still have fun, not so much with gw2. and there isnt any progression that a casual pvper like me is interested in. at least in my opinion anyways.

Plus im on the most crowded server, JQ and i cant find anyone to get a good group for spvp any more. im in a couple of the largest guilds on the server and nobody ever wants to spvp. 

I love gw2 and i love pvp but this is one area id like to see getting some more love.

Remember before the game was out...... they keep going on about, you wont just have a home instance. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL BLOCK! where your decisions will effect what goes on inside it! 

Well i have been playing the game now for some time and believe me..... its no big deal.

Instead i have this large "home instance" that is barren with nothing to do inside and no reason to ever go back. I would love to have some way to truly customize that space.

Its like they had all these big ideas and they forgot about some of them, or just put them on the back burner for other things because they think nobody cares about them?

"I've never seen cheaters in a MMO outside of a dupe glitch, botting maybe, and such things."

Are you new to MMO's by any chance?

"Weve alrdy played some full loot pvp games" oh really lexite? 

which full loot pvp games are u speaking of? if i deem them any good maybe i will check them out.

Thanks for the info.... yes im in mount tam. So i finally got in and game was short.

Lasted only 15 mins but was fun. Maybe i will try again tonight and see if i have better luck. If i do i might post something late tonight to let everyone know how it was.

when i qued for it we were 48v48..... however i waited in que for 3 hours...... LLLLLLLLLLLAMEEEEEEEEEEEE!

and the battle was over in 15 mins.....

Originally posted by h0urg1ass

I tried DF1 and found it to have the worst community I have ever seen in an MMO in ten years of playing them.  It was populated completely top to bottom with douchenozzle toolbags.  A few hours after I started, I was happily back in EVE.  I always thought EVE had a terrible community, but honestly the DF1 community could even teach the Goons a few lessons on how to be even bigger douchebags.

With all that said, I'm not surprised in the least that the DF1 community is here crying like babies.

Hmmmm.... thats interesting. Not nessarly a scientific method or anything but id say at least half or MORE of the DF1 population came from or at least one time played EVE.

I know i did.... and just about everyone in every clan i was in also did as well......Maybe you just need to look within yourself to where the problem is.

Remember folks. DF is a WAR game at its core..... just like EVE. And you need to be brutal and cunning in war.

Originally posted by tokini

Originally posted by BlackHopper

... that people have for this game is an odd phenomenon.

The old saying "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" comes to mind, but updated to "Hell hath no fury like a guy whos favorite videogame took a direction he was no comfortable with; you'll find him on the forums... every day."

I've never tried DF1, and was looking for a game like Ultima Online. I found DFUW and so far my first impression has been pretty good. Pretty much only one negative experience so far with part of the tutorial that required my buddy to skin a mob we killed, which took about 15 min before it finally succeeded. Other than that sometimes I think the people spewing hate is playing a different game than I am. I've experienced no bugs or crashes.

Now some people say there is a grind in the game, and that might be true depending on how you define grind. Personally I define it as being forced to do an action over and over again, without options doing other things. Basically I define grind as: Being forced to do stuff I don't want ot do.

A bit of playtime yesterday went like this:

Being pretty new to the game I set my guy in wood-chopping-mode while I asked some questions in the chat. I got mostly positive responses from that; but you can't escape the occasional sociopath - they are in every MMO.

When I was done I noticed my mount had been stolen, lol (I actually love you can do that).

Learned my lesson and went to kill zombies to get enough gold to craft a new one. Killed a ton of them, probably 100+. Some of them were tougher than others, and the AI seems different than other MMOs. Went back and crafted a new mount after that.

Then my buddy came online and we rode out into the world. Came across a goblin village which we chose to attack. Killed a bunch of goblins, got some more gold, was almost exploded a few times by goblin shamans (down to <10hp).

At no point did it feel like a grind. The game didn't INSIST that I do something over and over again, it was all my own decisions.

Now in regards to AV as a company I have little experience with them. But I know it is staffed by people. Real people and not robots. People who can be motivated/demotivated. All the hate that is coming in their direction has gotta be demotivating. I hope this doesn't turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy in regards to the game being bad BECAUSE of all the hate.

All I've seen so far is a company trying to make a game, but continually being punished for it, just because its not exactly like DF1. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, and maybe I'll change my mind about the company later. But all the forum warriors spewing hate, day after day, sometimes makes me wonder if they even remember why they are so pissed constantly. If AV made mistakes in the past, move on and allow them to grow.

Being negative all the time is the easy way out. Real men try to see things from the positive, and if that fails, move on.

hi tasos

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