Originally posted by daarco

But remember there is no "loot all" button, you will have to look at everything in the other characters inventory and decide what items you want to pick up.

During that time you will be a easy target. You dont search a full backpack in five seconds you know. And threre is supposed to very small inventorys, with both weight and mass limit. So you have to choose what you want to throw away and what to keep.

Small Inventories is not true....

Originally posted by bcrankshaw

Hi All
Okay I’m sure this has been answered before but everyone seems to have different views on this topic .Firstly there seem to be several games that are about to come out that offer what some call “true pvp experience “ Darkfall,Mortal Online and Earthrise are games that offer this .
Now my question is death and looting. It seems to me the majority of people on these games forums support the idea of full looting when you die ..egg no insurance or soulbound items .Everything can be taken by someone if you die
Is it just me or does that concept not sound absurd .Maybe I’m missing something but let me explain my experience in MMO and items you get .I have spent sometimes 2 months in RL saving or questing to get a particular item ...2 months .Lets say it’s a ring .Why should I lose it in 5 minutes due to one of the following reasons
1. Attacked by someone much more powerful...egg 20-30 levels
2. Attacked by a group
3. Killed by a mob boss or any other PVE danger
I don’t know about anyone else but I die quite a lot in MMO’s .If you can’t have some kind of insurance how would you sustain any items? I agree there has to be a penalty for death...But the thought of possibly losing everything to looting really doesn’t make practical sense

Now before people say “shame he’s a cry baby and doesn’t know how to PVP”...or “stop being a care bear “for an MMO to succeed it can’t just have hard-core PVP’s as its subscription base .I don’t know of an MMO that allows full looting ...I may be wrong but the reason for this is clear .Even hardcore PVP’s would become frustrated if they couldn’t retain any items .
I would like to see insurance\soulbound on items on your person...can anyone confirm what Darkfall will offer ?
 

Later :)

It's a mindset once you realise it is your charachter that matters not material goods you will be fine.

Full Loot if you die thats it.

This game is skill based and has no levels.

Sadly if you die a lot you probably do it because there is no risk. 

just a bump so that anyone coming here for the first time has other sources to view. Rather than the depressing doomsayer crew that creep here.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Astralian

 So in conclusion and just keeping things simple , I think that to put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted. 

And in conclusion and just keeping things simple, I think that to put so much effort into believing something you don’t appear to be able to substantiate seems twisted.

I could rattle an essay off like you appear to do in response to near every line someone type but there is no need.

So now not only my spelling and grammar are grounds to dismiss or attack me but now also being accused of writing to much is now being held against me, oh well.

Most of the content is factual but taken out of context, as someone who doesn't feel the need to invest vast ammounts of time trying too hard.

Please demonstrate what parts of the content is not factual, by taken out of context i presume you mean not interpreted only postively.

"vast amounts of time" nope, most of it comes up on the first couple of pages of google, and how can i be trying to hard when i enjoy finding out all these juicy morsels so easily.

I see enough information available regarding DF that I feel it will release in some form.

I also see enough information to feel it will probably release in some form, exactly when and in what form remains to be seen, but im hardly optimistic especially considering what iv'e found recently. 

If something does not exist why would anyone be around pretty shady logic, yet another instance of a pointless statement.

What are you talking about?, i never said darkfall did not exist, if you cant comprehend why developers of games try to give the impression something is not what it actually is or will be then i cant help you.

I think people can decide for themselves whos been making pointless statements and indulging in pretty shady logic, especially by the end of the year.

(I wonder if another Novel will appear)

Sorry to disappoint you, perhaps another time.

 

 

So in conclusion and just keeping things very simple , I think if i keep it to one line you won't be able to produce a page. (Never Dissapointed)

I wanted concise responses if expressing this is an attack you must be dellusional, I guess you are playing the i will try to report someone by using the word attack interesting very interesting. I have my answers, and all i needed to know.

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Astralian

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

What you really mean is there’s nothing really positive to discuss about the facts and information presented, and I agree, so because your only interested or capable of talking positively about this project then you obviously have nothing to discuss.

The developers CV’s from LinkedIn are only a small proportion of the information presented in this thread, but of course one would have to read past the first page or not be in denial to appreciate that.

These “unofficial” CV’s were changed after I posted them here, and they are almost certainly legitimate because of all the circumstantial and correlative facts, your attempt to question them by casting dispersions about their authenticity is just another attempt to discredit 3^rd party information that does not reflect positively on this project.

The only reason why you or any of the other supporters declare this thread is pointless, irrelevant or empty is because most of the 3^rd party facts and information presented can not rationally be interpreted positively, so you are forced to resort to the usual and utterly predictable name calling, straw man arguments, semantics, denial and attempts at character assassination etc.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ?

Nope, just presenting 3^rd party information and facts with my own personal opinion on what they mean, who knows what they really mean but we will get a very good idea if my interpretation of these facts are correct by the end of the year, so no need for conspiracy theories.

Is this just a post count excercise ?

What?, Alt/1 week old supporter account 2345 are you seriously accusing me of a post count exercise, how desperate and ludicrous can you get.

I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF.

The only people who have demonstrated they are bitter in my opinion are the supporters of this project who have felt compelled to personally attack and attempt to discredit me for posting information and facts they obviously find disquieting.

Again to declare this thread is empty is a very desperate attempt to deny this thread probably has at least 10 times more verifiable and new 3^rd party facts and information then any other Darkfall thread, of course if you disagree then please provide a link to a similar body of 3^rd party evidence, your failure to do so will demonstrate a tacit admission of this.

 

Anyone declaring this this thread is empty is a ridiculous statement to anyone who’s objectively comprehended the numerous and substantial information and facts presented and would only be said by someone who has an agenda to promote and discredit anything not positive about this project or by someone who’s in denial or simply someone who’s not read past the first page.

I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

So gut feeling’s and logical fallacy’s are all you have to support your opinion, forgive me if I don’t personally find that very persuasive, in fact I find it rather amusing if that’s all you have.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

And to put so much effort into believing something you don’t appear to be able justify belief in seems twisted to me.

This is not about belief, faith or trust for me, its about cold hard facts, I have presented them here, belief is not a requirement to objectively interpret them, in fact as you have demonstrated it makes that impossible.

We will see if your or any of the other supporters faith and belief in contradiction to this evidence is justified over the next 5 months, of course I very much doubt you actually will be around then If I am proven correct.

 

 

So in conclusion and just keeping things simple , I think that to put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted. I could rattle an essay off like you appear to do in response to near every line someone type but there is no need.

Most of the content is factual but taken out of context, as someone who doesn't feel the need to invest vast ammounts of time trying too hard. I see enough information available regarding DF that I feel it will release in some form.

If something does not exist why would anyone be around pretty shady logic, yet another instance of a pointless statement.

(I wonder if another Novel will appear)

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Isane

 

Agree 100% shame the OP is on a ego trip Hillarious. I'd comment on the thread but there is nothing to discuss.

The only person who is demonstrating they are on an ego trip is you, expecting people to take your personal assurances as absolute certainty’s based only on your words and faith, but with no virtually no substantiation whatsoever, just like Tasos.

This is just information and facts with my personal interpretation of what they mean, the fact that you cant see that shows who’s really letting their ego affect their ability to be rational and objective.

And at the same time of course you yourself are hypocritically egotistically declaring this thread contains nothing worthy of your discussion, But I suppose the irony of that is lost on you.

Perhaps if you actually read the information and facts instead of dismissing them you might be able to come up with some stronger arguments other then the usual and rather pathetic attempts of character assassination and outright denial.

But then again perhaps you have comprehended them, yet cant come up with anything else more substantial.

And not to mention you hypocritically declaring this body of evidence is not worthy of responding to, yet of course doing so anyway!.

The fact is you personally know a lot of this information is potentially very troubling, that is if your not totally irrational of course, you just don’t want accept it publicly, because it makes you realize the trust and dedication you have committed to this game and the people behind it over the years has been demonstrated to be probably very misguided and unwarranted.

So your just sticking your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA whilst calling me names, which is fine, if that’s how you or anyone else who still shares your conviction wants to present themselves.

Oh and by the way before you start accusing anyone of “shame”, “ego“ “hilarity” or their being “nothing to discuss” lets wait to see what actually happens by the end of the year.

If this game successfully launches this year with the majority of its proposed features, as the developers have officially committed themselves to doing, I will happily be making a public apology to anyone who cares shortly before commencing to play it, the questions is will you or any of the other ardent supporters be doing the same if it doesn’t?, I very much doubt it myself.

 

 I just think the poster above was trying to say there was nothing to discuss, peoples CVs from unofficial sources. I look at the initial thread whats the point of it.

Are you trying to prove some dark conspiracy or theory ? Is this just a post count excercise ? I wouldn't say this thread is funny though just empty you seem a little bitter with respect to DF. I used to doubt DF but when people go to the extent you seem to to pick at DF my gut feeling says it must exist.

To put so much effort into doubting something you don't appear to believe in seems twisted.

Originally posted by Jasz

Originally posted by Utos0

You're awesome at guessing without knowledge...

 

I am making an educated guess on what I've seen and read. If you have a real post with an actual opinion I'd love to see it.

Ditto notice the guy didn't qote so we have to assume comments were directed at the OP.

August if it's the august video, is there any point to this post

Originally posted by hakubylicks

Originally posted by Astralian

This also proves the relationships between Tasos and Yellowbeard and even moreso the reson he was allowed to visit interesting.

So you're basically saying this person was a close friend of the Dev's? More proof that the onlyp eople they let in to see anything are people who they know they can control.

Why don't they let an editor from Gamespot connect to the game world right now and write up a preview?

I am a big fan so no buts there. But in guild speak terms some of the hardcore PvP guilds do speak with each other. And i just thought that there is a closer link , than the stupid example SignusM gave trying to be clever not constructive.

It would also explain why they showed Yellowbeard the game and had a chat for old times sake when they are so busy.

That is no reason to doubt Yellowbeards integrity though.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Xxeon

Originally posted by Ephimero

So Adventurine signs an agreement with some people who could be their cousins for all we know, and this game stops being vaporware.

I love this forum.

 

its actully a major distribution company.

 

Yeah, one step above EA. Actually I believe that AV is about to buy EA soon.

 

Anyway, 2008 has 4 more months, 3 if we disregard August, since the guys in Aventurine are on vacations. You think they will make it this year? For the last three months, we have seen absolutely no action from Aventurine, apart from some more of the same promises that have been going on for 5 years now. Look at WAR for example, you can tell that they are on a launch fever.

 

Ow, I forgot. Aventurine is doing it "their" way and are about to change the gaming industry for ever.

WAR will be going broke if they don't release soon and are cutting content for fun, AV sure are doing it their own way, no doubt they are developing and doing so on a tight budget.

They aren't pandering and it's all hands to the pumps as they have stated, the signs are good and they are busy. Showing ignorance with respect to their partners who are listed companies gains you nothing builds no credibility and make you a laughing stock. AV are dlivering like games would have been in the past, it is fanboi/hater speculation that is generating a large ammount of misdirection from a very small number of people.

Originally posted by meel

people wondering who  I am, all the people who played ac on DT will tell you I am not a guy who spreads moo juice :P

Refs:

WOW:

twilights hammer, 

officer:  "The path of wreckage" 

one of the first guilds to kill c'thun.

Was Guild Leader of B rose and La sagrada familia.

AC:

 Guild Leader of TLS,

Core of AOW, and The black rose

www.blackrosegaming.com

Meel.

Regardless of how people don't like others with real gaming history regardless of how much of a chump they are, this is interesting.

And does prove a number of things , with respect to hardcore PvP and the nature of some of the guys now owning and developing DF. In a lot of ways the fact someone thinks DT was full of degenerates is fine but you have to remember that a lot of people did not have a lot of choice PvP wise.

This also proves the relationships between Tasos and Yellowbeard and even moreso the reson he was allowed to visit interesting.

Any guilds out there intent on having fun who don't really care about dying , would love to hear thoughts and approach to waht will be a great game if it releases.

Shame you mentioned SWG, an immediate turn off. Associating with SWG drop outs is like permenent pshycological grilling over and over about the good old days. Too much of a chore ...

Shame you guys can't let go could have been a fun guild not.

Have had alook and it's looking pretty average.... A long way from release I will pop back in 6 months,,, se what has happened.

Originally posted by FischerBlack

Yeh i registered at the Earthrise OF a few days back. I'm interested in any skill based PvP MMO in development tbh. Would love to Beta this one

Fallen Eart looks better in the current crop.... but DF is the daddy.

Originally posted by Keeper2000

Originally posted by Vagelisp

That's the company IkonaHxos

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=ATH:IKONA

And that's the company named Audio Visual Enterprises (Hxos Eikona)

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=ATH%3AABE

"Audiovisual Enterprises S.A. is a Greece-based commercial enterprise. The Company's range of activities includes the reproduction, import, export and trade of videotapes and digital versatile discs (DVD), as well as the operation of studios for recording, translating and subtitling. The Company has exclusive co-operations with Warner Bros., Walt Disney and Village Films for the Greek market. Audiovisual Enterprises S.A. is engaged in the cinema field through its affiliates Ster Cinemas and Allou Fun Park, and through On Productions it is active in the production of television programs and movies. "

 

Yes they are both perfectly respectable companies and they are traded on the Athens Stock Exchange:

 

Eikona Hxos:

 

http://www.ase.gr/content/gr/companies/ListedCo/Profiles/profile.asp?CID=803

Audio Visual Enterprises:

http://www.ase.gr/content/gr/companies/ListedCo/Profiles/profile.asp?CID=1000

And that's the announcement of AVE about the MoU with Aventurine:

http://www.ave.gr/article_detail.asp?e_cat_serial=001001009002&e_cat_id=106&e_article_id=606

I think there has been a confusion of these 2 different companies from Google. The first sells electrical equipment while AVE makes DVDs and owns many hardware installations.

I just hope that all will go well...

 

So they are two different companies.  When in another thread the people following this game published this new info, I asked if they were the same company or part of a holding or somethign because I thought they were different companies.

The answers were Ikona Hxos mean Audiovisual in greek... I wasnt sure of that but they repeat it like a holy text.  So, I didnt keep asking.

It's good that someone actually research it.  Thanks for the info.  I was curious about that.

 

I sometimes think that these guys are being stalked when all they are doing is developing a MMO... Scary
 

Originally posted by Locklain

WAR has been delayed before, they won't do it again.  A game can only be in development for so long before the publisher kicks them out the door.  There is no money being generated while  a game is in development so its either sink or swim when it comes down to it.

Yes a shame really...

I was just thinking with the debacle of AOC and other recent MMOs , would it not be better to delay the release and add the promised content.

This is an MMO suposedly an endless world offering longevity / community and fun, so why are they cutting content. This just appears to be another money spinner with no heart .... am i wrong ?

Originally posted by sgel

I've read/watched this game quite a bit... and I'm really trying to get excited about it.... but I can't...

I know there's plenty of fanbois on this forum and I'll probably get crucified for my opinions... but WAR just seems like the same stale gameplay to me...

I'm struggling to find something new... but all I see is another elf/goblin world with the same gameplay elements as other games...
The RvR which is the game's main selling point, is just zerg-battles... no matter how much you try to polish it.

If you want a game for the graphics/action/blood/carnage... play AoC (No.. it's not as bad as people say... but it needs A LOT work yet)

If you want a game for it's lore and character/world depth, play LOTRO (which is unparalleled in these areas)

and if you want a game that's got a lot of things to do then play WoW (...i'm not a fanboi... i hate it' for what it has become)

 

So why play yet another game that offers you the same things as countless other games?....
Sure you might play it for a change of scenery, but how long will that last?....

Anyway... I'd like to hear some constructive posts... please don't flame me... just expressing my opinions and i'm not  fanboi of any games.. (other than the Fallout series :))

 

edit: fixed for NDA...(I hope)

No need to flame you at all but some of your comparissons are very poor and i'll informed. Most people have played the above games and guess what they held their attention for very little time so thats why we want something else.

Difficult to reply in a constructive way as your post has a lot of elements that border on trolling in this forumn and trying to get a reaction, no need for you to be here.

Sadly I agree with you though just realised i'm in the wrong forumn - come over have a look at fallen earth.

Originally posted by IdesofMarch

I'm down with anything involving evil chickens, even if they are highly mutated ones.

Yes this is starting to look good can't wait for the release. If they have Evil chickens then I hate to think of some of the mutated critters that are going to turn up. hehe