Originally posted by vajuras

Originally posted by Jonas_SG

Originally posted by vajuras

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by DeaconX

http://www.mmorpg.com/showVideo.cfm/videoId/1239

It looks like it's got some nice action and all but basically it's trying to steal EVE's players.  Looks like they saw EVE, thought 'Hey that space sim really worked out for them' and tried to copy it - instead of a WoW clone it's an EVE clone.

Now I think EVE has some brilliant design choices BUT if a company wants to steal their player base they really have to one up CCP.

Allow player characters to wander around [EVE is getting this soon] and socialize off their ships - have planetary quests as well as space - look at games like EARTH & BEYOND, FREELANCER, take that and you've got something to offer.  Otherwise, you're just trying to sell the same damn thing someone else has already sold.

Just see these games popping up being EVE ripoffs and it makes me a little sad because none of them seem to innovate at all, just hope to steal some business and that's about it.

Of course they are trying to steal EVE's players ,you think they want to operate with no subs?BTW IMO EVE is a very weak game that any space/sci-fi game should be able to steal subs from.

However in saying that ,I don't believe this game will go the next step in making sci-fi/space games legit.

The reason why is because without game world interaction and lots of it,it's nothing more than playing asteroids.We all know how boring asteroids would be at this stage in the gaming genre.

They need to make planets you can actually land on and have interaction within the planet.The same goes for asteroids.They need to make space stations that are in depth and you can wander around them with lots of interaction and quests/fighting whatever.As of now space/sci-fi games are very superficial and offer nothing more than ,like i said an asteroids type gameplay.

Being able to equip your ship and pew pew some asteroids ,does not show much effort into making a game.The combat of these games are also very weak.If they at least made the combat very in depth,it would give the genre somewhat of a decent player base and give them something to build on for the future or even there expansion packs.

I can bundle a few MMO's into the 8-10/10 ranking and many in the 3-5/10 ranking,but sci-fi/space MMO's i wouldn't give more than a 3/10 at best.The effort shown into building those game worlds and the interaction is extremely poor.We might see a start to something a little more from stargate worlds,don't hold your breathe however.

 

Granted, it would be cool to have a complete space game alongside walking around on planets like normal MMOs but seriously the scifi genre has been pretty darn fun without all that so far

Going outside your space ship, to visit/trade/explore/assult  enemy  Spaceships/Stations/Outposts/Citys/Planets will bring a nice RPG feeling to the game, which will atract more players.
 

So far Space simulator genre is the least populer among MMO's.

 

World of Warcraft aside, EVE has been doing really well reporting more subscriptions then many other land-based MMOs. Land based MMOs are a dime-a-dozen. Space sims are rare. If you want to walk on land, nothing is stopping you from playing the 1000s of MMOs that cater to that already

Let's not even bring up the fact EVE has more subs then LOTRO, DDO, City of heroes, EQ2, and many other MMOs in the light weight division

You can add all that stuff you listed but please- give me a polished space sim first and foremost then later you can add 'fluff' which is what CCP is doing (walking around on space stations is coming in Ambulation)

Once EVE adds a Joystick/mouse control to the space fighters, then i'd add it to a Space Simulator genre in my book. 

But ever since Earth and Beyond went down, there isnt any Space Simulators MMO's on the market.

Originally posted by vajuras

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by DeaconX

http://www.mmorpg.com/showVideo.cfm/videoId/1239

It looks like it's got some nice action and all but basically it's trying to steal EVE's players.  Looks like they saw EVE, thought 'Hey that space sim really worked out for them' and tried to copy it - instead of a WoW clone it's an EVE clone.

Now I think EVE has some brilliant design choices BUT if a company wants to steal their player base they really have to one up CCP.

Allow player characters to wander around [EVE is getting this soon] and socialize off their ships - have planetary quests as well as space - look at games like EARTH & BEYOND, FREELANCER, take that and you've got something to offer.  Otherwise, you're just trying to sell the same damn thing someone else has already sold.

Just see these games popping up being EVE ripoffs and it makes me a little sad because none of them seem to innovate at all, just hope to steal some business and that's about it.

Of course they are trying to steal EVE's players ,you think they want to operate with no subs?BTW IMO EVE is a very weak game that any space/sci-fi game should be able to steal subs from.

However in saying that ,I don't believe this game will go the next step in making sci-fi/space games legit.

The reason why is because without game world interaction and lots of it,it's nothing more than playing asteroids.We all know how boring asteroids would be at this stage in the gaming genre.

They need to make planets you can actually land on and have interaction within the planet.The same goes for asteroids.They need to make space stations that are in depth and you can wander around them with lots of interaction and quests/fighting whatever.As of now space/sci-fi games are very superficial and offer nothing more than ,like i said an asteroids type gameplay.

Being able to equip your ship and pew pew some asteroids ,does not show much effort into making a game.The combat of these games are also very weak.If they at least made the combat very in depth,it would give the genre somewhat of a decent player base and give them something to build on for the future or even there expansion packs.

I can bundle a few MMO's into the 8-10/10 ranking and many in the 3-5/10 ranking,but sci-fi/space MMO's i wouldn't give more than a 3/10 at best.The effort shown into building those game worlds and the interaction is extremely poor.We might see a start to something a little more from stargate worlds,don't hold your breathe however.

 

Granted, it would be cool to have a complete space game alongside walking around on planets like normal MMOs but seriously the scifi genre has been pretty darn fun without all that so far

Going outside your space ship, to visit/trade/explore/assult  enemy  Spaceships/Stations/Outposts/Citys/Planets will bring a nice RPG feeling to the game, which will atract more players.
 

So far Space simulator genre is the least populer among MMO's.

Originally posted by DeaconX

http://www.mmorpg.com/showVideo.cfm/videoId/1239

It looks like it's got some nice action and all but basically it's trying to steal EVE's players.  Looks like they saw EVE, thought 'Hey that space sim really worked out for them' and tried to copy it - instead of a WoW clone it's an EVE clone.

Now I think EVE has some brilliant design choices BUT if a company wants to steal their player base they really have to one up CCP.

Allow player characters to wander around [EVE is getting this soon] and socialize off their ships - have planetary quests as well as space - look at games like EARTH & BEYOND, FREELANCER, take that and you've got something to offer.  Otherwise, you're just trying to sell the same damn thing someone else has already sold.

Just see these games popping up being EVE ripoffs and it makes me a little sad because none of them seem to innovate at all, just hope to steal some business and that's about it.

One of SpaceMMO i really have my hopes for is BlackStar.  www.spacetimestudios.com/games/

They got the basic idea of  features that an SpaceMMO could have:

1. Fly your spaceship to exotic locations, blasting through cunning enemies and dreadful space creatures.

2. Leave your ship and take up the quest, exploring mysterious planets, derelict space stations, and force your way onto enemy ships