I just want something new. I feel every mainstream company that has the finances to create such a game will not due to the risks. Will people like it? Should we play it safe and keep it closer to WoW? Ugh!

I don't want to start off the game AND finish the game as a ranger. I want hybirds etc. The onl game I've ever seen that set a precedent in terms of uniqueness is old Star Wars Galaxies. I could dabble in Two-Handed words, player tracking, and rifles if I wanted to. I've thought of so many templates in the game; some good, some bad. We were allowed 1 character per server. This was due to the fact that our one character had the ability to learn and drop skills at will.

I'm hoping the KOTOR will be similar. However, I know it won't be.

I know that WoW wasn't the original founder of this horrid system. You idiots could've been aware of this had you read the ENTIRE post.

This is why I think WoW is dubbed the founder:

WoW has a fanbase that consist of nerds, dorks, geeks, preps, prom kings, and celebrities. Anything older than WoW, like those pen and paper games & Ultima, wields 100% nerds, dorks, and geeks (pretty much everyone who has replied to this thread stating that WoW wasn't the first). WoW appeals to everyone, thus, is dubbed the founder.

It's all the same crap. Every MMO company wants to profit and compete with the big dogs. It's clear that anyone who WANTS to be the best will take a LOOK at the best and wonder why he or she IS the best (WoW). Thus, every "big" game that is about erect is dumed to the point where we've all been there and done it.

Big games after WoW that are exactly the same: EverQuest II (They could've done something unique), Star Wars Galaxies (NGE-Revamp - lol), Vanguard: Saga of Heroes (Same crap with more land and less content), Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures (Same crap with better graphics and no less content), Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning (WoW 2.0).

Every MMO since WoW - Been there, done that...

I'm a ranger! I can use a bow, track players, and set traps!

I'm an armored tank! I can use swords, shields, and taunt enemy players to hold aggro!

I'm a healer! I can wield maces and heal players!

I'm a mage! I can mez m enemies and nuke them!

I'm a pet class! I can use pets and throw dots!

Seriously, every game is the fricken same. It's so funny how new entities think that they are coming out with something original when they simply rename WoW's talent tree to "feat", "spec", or "enhancement". It's all the same garbage.

Is there any game that will let you mix and match professions? Is there a game that doesn't have the same old "epic", "heritage", or "destiny" storyline? Ugh, it's gotten to the point where everyone is just so sick of it all. When will we get something new? I'm yearning for a new game where the devs just throw you into whatever virtual world and say, "Do whatever you want". There are no quests, there are no set armors (clones), and there are no items that have the exact same attributes (I want a Diablo II style looting system where the stats are totally random).

I'll be back once they come out with something new. Until then, they can all just smell my arse, as I'm sick of playing 10 different versions of WoW (Yes, I know WoW wasn't the first, but it has, however, set the first precedent and is dubbed the best).

The times have changed mate. All of these new games, the popular ones, are pvp centric. The AoC devs even stated that PvP server populations dominate the PvE ones. Moreover, Warhammer is designed around PvP.

Take a look at the WoW crowd; the young dominate the old. PvP is getting bigger and bigger with each MMO, thus, companies would be rather dumb not to include at least 1 server with "real" style PvP. I'm sure they will include the carebear servers (not calling you a carebear).

Bioware wants to compete with large entities such as WoW. If they expect players to front a monthly fee, they cannot release anything that is half-assed. It's going to have to have it all: PvE, PvP, & Economy

Bioware wants to create a game that renders some monthly profit. You guys are idiots if you think that they will label their KOTOR Online an "MMO" merely because it has online capabilities. Do you think people are going to pay 15 bucks per month for an online component like Jedi Academy?

Personally, I can't play a game that doesn't have PvP. I'm not talking about those terrible battlegrounds or duels, but merely FFA or Factional PvP. I have no idea how SWG's PvP system is now, but it was rather silly when I did play. Imperials and Rebels had to pvp-enable themselves by selecting "overt"
 status from their factional officer - yuk...

If one aligns themself with one of the major factions, he or she should always be open for attack by the opposing faction. I'm hoping Bioware will fire up some type of server that is more pvp oriented. I just have this feeling that the pvp is going to be sassy ;/

I was wondering if anyone here got one!

This is probably the nerdiest game I've ever seen - lol.

But hey, 2 million peeps don't think so :)

PvP

1) NO BATTLGROUND GARBAGE

2) PVP Good Vs Evil on the pvp servers

3) ability to mix and match professions

PvP

1) No battleground garbage

2) No going covert/overt garbage

3) Just fricken Good Vs Evil PvP!

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by gillvane1

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by merv808

Imho listening to the community is exactly what they DON'T want to do. Bioware knows how to make games, and they do a great job.

Wow is the result of devs listening to the players. when EQ and FF11 were the juggernaunts, everyone bitched about the difficulty, inability to solo, and the grind. Blizzard went and changed all of that. (of course now people don't want that) People saw the results and were disgusted.

well guess what people? you asked for it

This is exactly the problem.  Developers need to learn when to listen to the people and when not to.  The masses are who they will listen to.  Its when a developer tries to cater to all of the people is when they lose their direction and end up creating a confusing mess.  If they could stick to their guns and make what THEY want to make is when the game will be great.

 

I agree. You don't simply listen to the masses. They don't know what they want, and they will ask for things they THINK they want, but then realize they don't want once you give it to them.

 

However, you SHOULD listen to yoru beta testers. If they say something isn't working, or something isn't fun, you should pay attention, and see what you can do to fix it.

 

On the same page as you guys, look at Cliffy B when he made Gears of War, hes been quoted as saying "I didnt make a game for fans, I made a game for me, something I wanted to play." Alot of people gave him shit for that, but that is the same thing I would do.

 

Gears of War is one of my favorite games, Cliffy B is a gamer, and he knows what gamers want because he knows what he wants.

 

Bioware thinks the same way.

 

-Jive

Lol, you're kidding right? UT2K4 & UT3 are some of the biggest flops. I will not play another Epic game again.

Originally posted by Bane82

 

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Originally posted by TheChronic
here are the problems that I see coming to Bioware:
- they underestimate what SOE has done to the Star Wars Galaxies Veterans
- they underestimate what will happen if their kotor mmo will become another wow clone beside all of these unfinished cookie cutter causal player games we have seen during the last few years (vanguard, dark & light, age of conan)
- they think that the IP "star wars" will be a guarantee success, even more than word of warcraft, only because its star wars
- many players like the "original" star wars galaxies beause of the sandbox style gameplay and because the players where the content, not stupid "get 7 of X and bring it to Y" quests like in word of warcraft

but of course I could be all wrong and bioware is about to develop one of the biggest sandbox style games the world has ever seen, right after ultima online and pre-cu star wars galaxies, we will see :)

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Prepare to be disappointed then, as has been stated, Bioware owes nothing to the vets the way SOE did. I myself liked Pre CU a lot and am still waiting for SOE to loose their license to LA and hav eto shut down SWG. Does that mean I'm going to be angry at Bioware for not delivering? No! I'm more mature than that, I understand that they are not SOE, I understand that they will follow THEIR model and I also understand, from their experience, I'm sure that they will do their best to deliver a fun and enjoyable game akin to KOTOR, after all, that is what they're good at. They don't have much experience (that I know of) at creating sand box games so WHY SHOULD THEY try to do something thay're not all that familiar with? As lon as they deliver the depth that and story telling that KOTOR is well known for, I'm game.

Oh, and your WoW-bashing is tiresome, misguided and ridiculous. If you think WoW was THE ONLY one that came up with that kind of questing system, then you need to get your head examined or play more MMO's because the whole "kill this bring it to that person" quest system has been in online games since WAY before WoW, so do yourself a favor and stop making ridiculous accusations against WoW without first knowing the facts.
 

Here's the thing though: every MMO has the same questing system. We've all done it so many times ;/ Look at AoC! AoC has SUPERB graphics and animations, however, players are just so sick and tired of the same old crap. I think the op is just trying to say - we need something original.

Originally posted by ZoMBiEXxX

I disagree for 1 simple reason...

The length at which Bioware goes to put depth and originality in their games are second to none. I love the company and played nearly everygame they have made. I doubt they would release a simplistic wow style game that so many others are trying to do.

Well, a successful MMO needs more than just Jedi and Bounty Hunter. Moreover, we need something other than "set-in-stone" classes that have a level 70-80 cap. We need superb crafting, land housing, and ability to mix and match professions to be successful. I'm hoping they don't go with the typical questing approach like every single WoW competitor has done. It's not going to work.

I'm just hoping that they know what a sandbox game is. They make some truly great console games, however, those have no place at all in the MMO realm.

I cannot play an MMORPG without full PvP. I'm not talking about overt/covert dual garbage ;/ Iif you're either IMP and REB, you should ALWAYS be flagged for PvP.

It's not going to be a pre-cu. It's going be a new and fresh game. I doubt it will be as deep as old SWG, however, it will still be fun I'm sure. At this point, I just want something new...

Regardless, I just hope the MMO isn't ALL Jedi & Bounty Hunter.