Originally posted by Nicksd

I don't see the OP'ness of Dk's really. I have killed them tons of tiems, just as I have killed other classes. I have been owned by them, just like I have been with oter classes. Really learn how to kill them and it is not that hard.

WoW players are some of the biggest cry babies I have ever seen. (Yes I am crying at all the cry babies)

If you don't see the OP of DK's you are just bad at wow. This is common knowledge to anyone playing.

Like I have said before, I never lose to 1 DK. If it is a 1v1 fight, good luck killing me as a holy paladin.

That is with most classes though, Holy Paladins have some of the most extreme survivability of any class in wow.

Problem is like I said, in Bg's you aren't facing 1 DK, you are facing 8+ DK's all running together.

Know how hard it is to survive 8 DnD, 8 Icy Talons, 8 Unholy Blights, then 8x who knows how many Death Coils.

Your not going to survive. 1 group of DK's can faceroll and entire opposing BG side. I have seen it happen.

Even in AV I have witnessed 8 or so DK's stop and pummel 20+ Players.

Does that mean they are good at pvp... no it just means they have ridiculous OP abilities able to shut down and effectively annahilate anything in their path.

I have played 1 to 76. I know what they can do. Even at 76 I can decimate most classes at 80 and cut through mobs like a hot knife through butter.

I no longer play DK due to my distaste for the class, but something really needs to be done about them across all of wow.

Originally posted by virre

#3
Where in math does it say if you have a total number of 5000, you have to split that into 200%. I must have missed that lecture in school.
If wow had 10 factions I wouldn't break down all 10 faction into a percent when I know what the total number is.
5000 = 100% of players
2500 = 50% of a server AKA: Alliance and 2500 = 50% of a server AKA: Horde
19% of 2500 leaves 31%
21% of 2500 leaves 29%
40% of 5000 = DK
60% of 5000 = Everything else.
Not hard to grasp.
5000 is just a guess on server capacity, who cares what the real numbers are. it is typically 55% alliance and 45% horde per server. Alliance always outnumbers horde for some reason. That is pretty close to a 50/50 split on faction where you can easily use a 100% ratio.
My numbers are right, you just like to argue.

 

5000 = 100%
2500 = one side
21% out of 2500 = 525
19% out of 2500 = 475
475 + 525 = 1000
1000 out of 5000 is a DK
1 out of every 5 is a DK
1/5 = 20%

NOT 40% is a DK.

So NO, your numers are not right....

 

yeah your right, once I sit down with a pen and paper, I got the same thing you did, which I fixed on my post before you posted this.

Originally posted by templarga

Your numbers can be right or wrong but your stats are still wrong. Why?

Last time I ask: Where did you get the data from?

I guess it is just your server then. My server has seen a huge drop in the DK population and it has continued to drop; and it will drop even more after the next patch.

What is funny to me is that you hate the class so much that you refuse to acknowledge that there are good DK players out there. You rather lump them all into the "I hate them all and they all suck category" and not actually differentiate between the good and bad players.

At this point, I think you are the one with a blind vendetta against and and ALL DK's and rather argue about it on forums than listen to any counter arguments.

EDIT: 20% is not a lot for a new class less than a year old. This is especially true when DK's fill a much needed role (tanking). I guarantee you that if you looked it up, the percentage at launch was much higher and has dropped considerably.

DK's were never intended to fill a MT role. That is the job of a Warrior. Blizzard has made Warrior an obsolete class due to the craziness of the DK. I know frost is about to get kicked in the nuts. It should, and I hope the nerf it out of existence.

Of course now after 3.2 it looks as if Paladin will slide in as the #1 MT slot. This is still blizzards fault due to not keeping classes balanced into their intended role.

As far as good DK players, I would need to meet one before I could comment. I have yet to meet a DK that knew his class from a hole in the ground, and only rolled one because they heard it was the "IWIN" "HERO" class of wow.

You are right, I hate all DK's not just some of them, ALL of them. I hope Blizzard keeps nerfing them into the ground until none are left on the server, or those that do play them are just a glutton for punishment.

Hell not even the Blue for Blizzard that oversees DK's likes them. Go look up the wow ofc thread with the DK's crying about the frost nerf.

The blue comes on there and says in plain sight, "Stop crying, you already do everything in every area of the game better than anyone else", also stating "Hero class is ment from a lore point of view, not a, you are automatically superior to every class point of view."

At which time he took a blast of shit from all the DK's asking why he is the DK mod when he seems to not even like the class.

I think he likes them, he just thinks like everyone else, DK's are already superior in every aspect of gameplay from DPS-Tanking PvE to Massive OP in the arena and BG's. He just wants them to stop crying when Blizzard is about to bring them down to everyones elses level.

Why would players complain about being on the same playing field as everyone else?

Simple, because DK's don't want to be balanced with everyone else, they took it to 80 for the OP IWIN Button.

DK's are garbage and so are the players that play them.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by OldAgeJunkie

I agree with you OP. Everything you say is right. this game is garbage. I am so discusted with everyone being DK's. The only reason 90% of the population plays DK's is because they are flat out OP and feel like they are actually good at pvp?. Please half of these twits couldn't win a 1v1 if their lifes depended on it.

So you agree with him and say everything he said is right even after some of his points have been questioned and his math been declared faulty? Um, that makes little to no sense whatsoever.

You are so determined to call WOW garbage, it would be nice for you to elaborate.

 

Math is only faulty depending on how you look at it.

I look at a server as 1 server comprised of 100% of players.

I do not split Alliance and Horde as if they were 2 seperate entities inside 1 space.

For argument sake we will say a server holds 5000 players, which we can all pretty much agree that number is higher for wow servers.

 

When I look at the 5000 number for a server, that is my 100% in my mind.

I do not say 2500 Alliance = 100% and 2500 Horde = 100% both = 200%

That logic is kinda retarded to me. Specially since the Alliance always outnumber the Horde so that actual numbers would look more like 3000 Alliance and 2000 Horde. This would skew the 200% logic.

There is only 1 server shared by both factions at a capacity in this example of 5000. 5000 = 100%

SOOOOOO.....

If 19% of the Horde play DK

and 21%of Alliance play DK

That is 40% of 5000 players playing the DK class.

 

I really hate when people try to make other people look dumb, when they do not know what the hell they are talking about themselves.

 

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

 

Sorry that is bad math. You took a percentage of a whole (Alliance) and a percentage of another whole (Horde) and added the two percentages together to get 40%. What you failed to do is consider that you are dealing with TWO 100%'s so that 40% becomes 20% of the total.

You also didn't account for any alts nor did you account for characters that haven't been played in a while. You just took the total number of DK's on a server. I wonder how many are still level 55 or not even 60 yet but you still counted them. You made mention that it is level 80s on your server but your other data says nothing about level 80s.

That is the fallacy in your numbers. You try to use the number itself to prove your point but it does not work because you do not know the intent of use for that character. For example, I have a low level Hunter just to try the class. I played it to 20 and don't like it. However, it is now a name placement holder for when I want to try another class.

Going by your math, I would be counted if you were debating hunters and not DK's.

So you need to really go in and count only 80s and look at the gear and when they were last played. Then you would get a better idea of how many DK's there are really.

In addition to that, Warcraft realms (which I am sure you used) is badly out of date and using data from it is the worst place to get the information.

You also do not concede that the class is the newest class and will be played the most.

You act as if everyone, everywhere plays a DK and we all know that isn't true at all. As I, and others mentioned, the numbers of DK's being played is dropping across the board and will drop even moreso after patch 3.2.

But what is the point of arguing? Your last post shows how immature you are about the issue. You basically said that your hatred of DK's takes precedence over winning in a BG or succeeding in a raid. If you are a healer, your job and duty is to heal and personally, if I was the guild leader or the raid leader and found out that someone wasn't healing ANYONE on the raid just because they think the class sucks, I would kick that person from my guild or raid.

And the funny thing is, you talk as if DK's are everywhere, so going by your statements, you won't be healing like 50%-60% of that BG or raid then? Have fun wiping.

#1

For the last time for archimonde, it is 19% Horde and 21% Alliance MAIN LEVEL 80 PLAYED EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK RATIO ON DK'S IN FULL RAIDING OR PVP ARMOR!!!!!

L2Read.

#2

I would rather wipe in BG's all day long than heal a DK. As far as raiding goes, I refuse to now join a raid with a DK in it. Which is ok because this is pretty much becoming a standard where I play. The norm for Dal chat is now something to this effect.

"LF 3 more VoA 10 NO DK's"

"LF 6 more for 25 Naxx Please no DK's"

So yeah pretty much the server is sick of it, not just me.

Since every BG I join is made up of min 8 DK's per side, it really doesn't matter if I heal or not, all of the fights now have pretty much become Dk vs Dk and who ever has the most DK's will win the BG.

Which goes back to my point of diversity in wow now going right out the f*****g window. It is starting to suck ass.

#3

you are right it is 20%

however 20% of a server is still a lot.

19% of 2500 = 475

21% of 2500 = 525

= 1000

20% of 5000 = 1000

20% of a server population being 1 class though is very absurd.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by OldAgeJunkie

I agree with you OP. Everything you say is right. this game is garbage. I am so discusted with everyone being DK's. The only reason 90% of the population plays DK's is because they are flat out OP and feel like they are actually good at pvp?. Please half of these twits couldn't win a 1v1 if their lifes depended on it.

So you agree with him and say everything he said is right even after some of his points have been questioned and his math been declared faulty? Um, that makes little to no sense whatsoever.

You are so determined to call WOW garbage, it would be nice for you to elaborate.

Math is only faulty depending on how you look at it.

I look at a server as 1 server comprised of 100% of players.

I do not split Alliance and Horde as if they were 2 seperate entities inside 1 space.

For argument sake we will say a server holds 5000 players, which we can all pretty much agree that number is higher for wow servers.

When I look at the 5000 number for a server, that is my 100% in my mind.

I do not say 2500 Alliance = 100% and 2500 Horde = 100% both = 200%

That logic is kinda retarded to me. Specially since the Alliance always outnumber the Horde so that actual numbers would look more like 3000 Alliance and 2000 Horde. This would skew the 200% logic.

There is only 1 server shared by both factions at a capacity in this example of 5000. 5000 = 100%

SOOOOOO.....

If 19% of the Horde play DK

and 21%of Alliance play DK

That is 40% of 5000 players playing the DK class.

I really hate when people try to make other people look dumb, when they do not know what the hell they are talking about themselves.

PS. On a side note, NOONE has questioned anything, I have heard a lot of QQ and people wondering why I hate the DK so much, which I knew was coming. I also think I gave ample reason enough for why I personally hate the DK class. I haven't been proven wrong on anything I said. You are not going to find 1 single person playing wow right now that doesn't agree that the DK population is out of control. EVERY wow server is so over populated with them it is hard to breath in the game. I can't take 2 steps on my server without tripping over one.

I decided last night, I will no longer party with DK's or Heal a DK when they need it. I had 4 other healers also agree with the same. They would no longer heal them in raids or party with them in the world. Going to be a lot of DK deaths on our BG it seems. Cause they won't be getting any heals from me inside the BG's.

We are on a DK Strike.

It all depends, I think this idea was based on a few things, money being in the #1 slot, but also for players like myself.

I left Alliance when the BC came out. I have a 70 Gnome Mage and a 70 Shaman sitting on an alliance PvE server that hasn't been touched since 2 weeks after launch of BC.

I really like them, but my family plays on a horde side pvp server.

I rerolled there and made a hunter, simply because they are the fastest at the time to level and because i really didn't want to play though the same 2 classes all over again.

Now I finally get to dust off those 2 classes that I spent a TON of time on, and xfer them to my horde server where I can finally level them up.

I have 2 RL friends that also spent a ton of time on our alliance server, and they really wanted to come to horde with me, but the thought of leveling another toon to 80 for them was just to much so they stayed.

1 of them commented just 2 weeks ago that his server sucks and he wished back then he had followed me, but it was to late. If only they had a faction change service he would do it in a heartbeat so he could come play with me and our other RL friends.

I think Blizzard is targeting these types of players, ones like me who leveled opposite faction toons very hard back in the day but lost them due to leaving servers for other sides, and players like my buddy who really wants to come horde to play with friends, just refuses to start over.

So now we both get what we want and it will make playing on my server much more enjoyable now because I can be with my friends and play and start new adventures.

About GD time!

Now my Alliance shaman and mage can quit collecting dust and join me on the Horde.

GG Blizzard, should have done this 2 years ago.

Originally posted by OldAgeJunkie

I agree with you OP. Everything you say is right. this game is garbage. I am so discusted with everyone being DK's. The only reason 90% of the population plays DK's is because they are flat out OP and feel like they are actually good at pvp?. Please half of these twits couldn't win a 1v1 if their lifes depended on it.

I have never lost a 1v1 with DK on my Holy paladin. Regardless of spec they cannot kill me. That is besides the point. In a BG I am not fighting one but at least 8.

I have not been inside of an EotS or Strand battle in the last month that didn't have a minimum of 8 DK's on the opposing side.

My numbers for Archimonde are 19% level 80 MAIN played DK's. Not alt level 56's.

The numbers for ALL DK's on archimonde is much much higher. 19% is what is played full time on my server by level 80 DK's.

Sorry for the math, it was a long work day and my brain was fried.

Anyway, my point is that DK is not a FoM class like we thought it would be, HUGE numbers of players even bad ones are getting DK's to 80 and making them their mains. Which is over populating wow with a class that is ridiculous OP most of which are retarded players.

Also, it is true they may be nerfing frost, but they are buffing blood. Now we are going to have unstoppable killing machines in PvP with ridiculous survivability and no way of stopping them.

It's a lose lose situation.

Well, this has been long over due for a while now, so I thought someone should dig into it. It might as well be me.

Last night I was waiting for my wife to land in Nagrand when I get a tell, "Hey could you come heal us for Durn please!".

Being the nice little paladin that I am, I told them "Sure!"

The leader sends me an invite and surprise surprise 1, 2, 3, 4, Death Knights.

I almost left the party out of disgustment for the DK class and those who play them in general. I didn't however and flew over and soloed Durn.

This happens a Ton on my server. Join a party just to find its 1,2,3,4, Death Knights. I decided to find out just how MANY death knights were being played across my server.

I play on Archimonde PvP server. The ratio for DK vs All other classes.

Archimonde PvP Server - 80 Level characters

DK = 19% Horde

DK = 21% Alliance

This means that almost a quarter of the server on both factions are DK players, and a whopping 40%, that is almost half the population of our server are level 80 Death Knights. This is absurd.

So I decided to go a step further for your viewing pleasure and here is the break down of all the servers across wow.

Alliance Players 4,262,221 - 55%

Horde Players 3,467,585 - 45%

Alright so there are more alliance than there are horde, no news there. Let's continue.

Alliance                                             Horde
Draenei 719,498 (9%)                  BloodElf 1,262,580 (16%)
Dwarf 405,599 (5%)                      Undead 710,138 (9%)
Gnome 427,245 (6%)                   Tauren 497,094 (6%)
Human 1,438,204 (17%)             Tauren 661,593 (9%)
NightElf 1,271,675 (17%)            Troll 336,180 (4%)

Would appear trolls and dwarves are very uncool to play, but that isn't what we are after let's keep going.

Class                          Alliance            Horde                  Total
Death knight(18%)   715,295           652,026          1,367,321 (almost 20% of every server  are DK's)
Druid(9%)                  416,624           287,614              704,238
Hunter(13%)             552,628           423,318              975,946
Mage(9%)                  403,054           315,162              718,216
Paladin(12%)            524,904           386,592              911,496
Priest(8%)                 331,945           269,424              601,369
Rogue(8%)               331,808           286,573               618,381
Shaman(7%)            253,107           258,979               512,086
Warlock(8%)             293,398           287,250               580,648
Warrior(10%)            439,458           300,647               740,105

Some servers will vary in the population of DK's, however DK's are a bane of this game now, throwing diversity right out the f****ing window and personally making me hate players that I might have once considered playing with but now detest just because they have "Death Knight" next to their names.

Now I fully expect all the DK playing "irleet" crowd to come in here and defend why they play a DK. I don't really care, the stats say all that needs to be said. I was hoping that the flavor of the month class would eventually die down, and most of who started one would migrate back to normal classes and keep the game diverse. However we are way into WotLK now, and no signs of this stopping anytime soon. Give it another few months and we will have 75% of all server being played by the DK Class. Which will for lack of a better word.... suck ass.

Just know I didn't make this thread to bash the player, just the class.

Originally posted by zaxtor99

In PvP, this factor is huge.

Even in PvE, the ability to dodge magical spells such as a fire bolt makes a big difference in the game play.

With games like World of Warcraft (and so many others now days) - the ability to dodge these magical bolts is impossible. If the enemy mob or enemy player casts it at you, you are going to get smacked with it regardless. You could run inside a building and close a door before its cast at you, but somehow, this bolt will smack you in the face regardless of your actions. Perhaps the only way to avoid it would be to have skilled up a high enough magic resistance compared to the casters magic skill to be able to resist the spell.

With old school games such as Asheron's Call (and perhaps a small handful of other mmos), these bolts are cast in a straight line and you could dodge to the side of the bolt with precise timing and actually use skill to avoid being hit. You could also simply maneuver behind an object like a building, rock, tree, or even behind a hill to avoid the blast.

Obviously, in my opinion, any mmo that allows a user to use skill to dodge damage, and requires more skill to hit another player with such magic spells is the best choice and adds more immersion and self influence into the game mechanics and therefore is my preference.

Keep in mind, this is NOT another "WOW vs Asherons Call" thread, but rather a thread created with the subject at mind. What kind of magic do you prefer? Why?

- Zaxx

What you describe in regards to wow is not true. Also what you suggest is already implemented into wow.

It is called "LoS" or "Line of Sight".

Mages cannot hit you through a wall, if you go inside a building where the magic user cannot see you he can not cast on you.

However IF a mage shoots a bolt at you while you were in his LOS and you just happen to run around a corner while this spell was fired at you, yes it will curve the corner and blast your face. Good for you though because you are now behind a wall, and he can't get another shot on your without moving and gaining sight to you again.

Also spells in wow are dodgeable and resistant.

There are resistance lines for each school of magic, holy, fire, arcane, frost, shadow, and nature. If you have super high resistance then you will be able to shrug off a huge portion of that damage type.

As far as being able to dodge magic. You can but it is stat based. I can run up to a level 30 caster at level 80 and I will dodge that  mobs spells all day long. I have also dodged level 80 spells cast against me though that is much more rare because I am not a tank. Tank in wow with high dodge skill can dodge magic, some such as the DK can avoid magic all together with the magic shell buffer.

So wow already has what you speak of, just maybe not implemented to the effect that you want it.

PS. Also on a side note, straight shooting spells would never work in a game such as wow for the simple fact that wow has twitch based combat, very fast paced with characters able to move very fast on the fly. Could even image how pissed mages would be if they could only hit a player based off a luck shot by guesstimating where their enemy MIGHT decide to move at any given time? They would be useless.

I know from personal experience if mages, locks, shamans or whatever else cast a bolt. They would NEVER hit me with anything. I could dodge straight shot spells all day long. If I ever did get hit, would be a pure luck shot from the opposing caster. The mechanic just wouldn't work in a game like wow.

Originally posted by Ahiles

Maybe nobody plays or gives a damn about AOC anymore?  Its more fail upon fail.

     ^This

It is more likely due to noone actually caring if it thrives or fails anymore.

*shrugs* whatever I guess.

Another free option I had a chance to play for a while was Ether Saga.

It is an asian F2P game, but if you are just wanted to run around, quest and kill stuff with your girlfriend, it is worth a DL to check out.

It's graphics are very similar to wow and it has some game mechanics that are unique to the game itself.

Worth a look I would say.

Originally posted by Heidi

Originally posted by SSSJKiNg

 

 

I am just wondering since I didn't start playing MMO's until after WoW.  What game was the most famous before WoW.

 

First of all, Warcraft is not the most famous mmo at the moment.  Warhammer Online is.  As for what game was famous prior to Warhammer that would be Star Wars Galaxies. 

Period, end of story.

 

 

I am just wondering what you are smoking, and also wondering were I can get some of it.

It has been said 90 times already, but it was Everquest in the west and Lineage in the East.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by szsleepy

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by szsleepy

I'm so glad to have NOT played WoW seriously since patch 2.4.   From this standpoint, I can objectively look at the game.  I've broken free of the addiction.  In fact, empowered with that knowledge and perspective, I was able to uninstall the game completely from my computer several months ago.   No traces of WoW.exe here.

And for that, I'm infinitely grateful.

 

I no longer play World of WarCRACK.

 

Good for you. But addiction to games is the same as addiction to viewing football or cycling or doing any other single purpose social activity.

Addiction to games is not the same as fysical addiction to drugs (lucliky).  Those who put this in the same basket are deluding.

Behaviour is one thing, fysical addiction is a complete other thing.

 

And not being able to spell "physical" is yet even another complete thing.

As my naitve LANGUAGES are Dutch, French AND German (as I live in Belgium) and I type without a spelling checker, I can really say I make some very good posts in the 4th language

:))))

You know there are MORE people in the world than you think.

Going on vacation without your PHysical drug is even dangerous (depending on the drug). No one bangs his head against the wall if they can't play Wow when they're on vacation.

It is an insult to people suffering from real drug addiction like heroine, when you compare a social single focused behaviour with such forms of PHysical drug addiction.

 

I am going to have to disagree with this.

My buddy (true story) physically left our home state 5 days ago on a 2 week trip to Florida for Disney. He went with his wife, and 2 sons.

What did my buddy take with him. Cloths, check, socks, check, underwear, check, toothbrush, check, laptop, check.

He stopped by my house literally 2 hours before the trip to pick up MY copy of WotLK.

He lost his but "needed" it before he left.

The next day I get a call on my cell to help him setup his wi-fi from his hotel room because he had successfully installed his "WotLK".

2 week vacation that was intended to be a trip to Disney to spend time with his wife and 2 sons, ends up being a 2 week waste of money for him to sit in a very expensive hotel room to raid with his imaginary friends.

Addiction REALLY is addiction.

WoW if you choose to admit it or not, for most people, IS an A-D-D-I-C-T-I-O-N.

I thought this was interesting.

The word "Shitty" has been used in this thread 58 times so far. (I used find "shitty" on all 7 pages)

The word shit was only used 4.

I wonder if that makes "shitty" a more popular term?

Anyway, Just some random useless information for you all, I thought it was interesting.

*Edit - count is now 61 - 5 because I used it 3 times on 1 and 1 on the other. :)

I am going to tell everyone a story. This story actually happened last night. Which will colaborate some accounts of healers told here so far, and destroy illusions of others.

I have played through most every MMO to come out in the last decade or longer. One poster mentioned DAoC which was also my favorite game to play a healer class in. I have played a mixture of dps, and healing classes my entire career in MMO's.

For now though I play World of Warcraft.

WoW depending on how you want to look at it has 4 primary healer classes.

Paladin, Shaman, Druid and Priest.

I play the first one.

Everyone in WoW, or at least I hope they do (odds are some don't) know why they chose 1 of these particular 4 classes.

I rolled Paladin back before paladins were "cool". That's another story though.

Anyway each of these classes can do something different though they have the ability to do at LEAST 2 roles well, some can do all 3 in the trinity.

Paladin can tank, dps and heal.

Shaman can caster dps, melee dps, heal

Druid can tank, melee dps, caster dps, heal

Priest can caster dps, heal <- doesn't seem fair but they get fear so it evens out.

Anyway what you do in a game is always a personal pref. of your own. In my case I play on a PvP server and ONLY PvP unless I am bored I will go heal a Naxx or Uld for my guild. Typically though you will only find me in a BG, Arena or Open World burning down an Alliance villiage. That is just how I prefer to play WoW.

This is where our story will begin. I am a Holy PvP Paladin.

Last night I head into Eye of the Storm, (not a horde strong suite BG on our Battlegroup).

For some reason the horde on our BG really do not get the concept of how the BG's are played. Eye of the Storm for example, holding down towers is important, but the flag is the key, he who controls the flag wins the game. Alas my fellow horde misssed the memo on this.

Halfway through the game we are down 780 to 200.... not very good odds. Alliance had been shreading us on the flag stand the whole time. I finally quit holding my tongue and lose it on them in BG chat.

"Listen, if you want to win this game, and stick it to the alliance I need everyone NOT defending a tower to get your asses in the middle and hold down the flag, do not let the alliance touch this flag again!"

To my surprise 5 players mounted up and bolted for the middle to get that flag! I mounted my Talbuk tossed on Crusader Aura and bolted off behind them, If they had the balls to take on 10 Alliance players for that flag I wasn't going to let them die.

So we all dismount and the fight goes into full affect, DK's death gripping my guys, rogues working on the stun locks.

I pop my bubble, and use Divine sacrifice to soak up as much damage as I could from them. All of them were cursed to hell and had enough stacks of poison on them to kill the Lich King himself. I must have hit my purify and cleanse spell 30 times in 10 seconds. Flash healing as fast as my timer would allow and burning Holy shock cool down as soon as that timer finished like clockwork. The whole time this fight was going on, some of the alliance were trying to take the flag in the middle of the confusion... hell no I said, and I would run right on top of the flag stand and throw down consecration, which ticks damage on them stopping the flag stealing process.

I would also judge those close enough to me to proc some  needed abilities for those around me.

When the dust settled, 10 alliance players lay dead at the feet of 5 horde, and not a single one of them died. The druid with us snatched up the flag and travel formed his ass straight to the the nearest horde kept tower.

For the rest of that game the alliance never touched that flag again. 5 players beat the odds because they had a paladin doing what he knows to do, heal, judge, and prevent. They stood there defending that flag the rest of the game, and were out-manned and out gunned several times throughout the match, but they never went down, and the alliance never got the flag back.

We ended that game 2000 - 1800 for the horde.

Nothing whack-a-mole about what I did. I look at it as, it is my duty to make sure the men and woman around me stay alive long enough to do what their classes are designed to do. Mine is keep people alive theirs is to kill.

Each healer in wow can do many different things, it is up to the player to decide how he wants to play.

I never get bored healing, and I never see it as a negative impact in the game we play. It is what you make it out to be.

The End.

Originally posted by Forumfall

Botting has no effect imho. You guys just can't stand that the botter make all of what you 'achieved with hard work' in your mmo look meaningless.

This is prolly the truest statement regarding bots I have ever read.

MMO's and not just MMO's but games in general are ment to be nothing more than a way to waste your life. All in all it is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I play MMO's just out of boredom and I really do not like to hike and bike, so my hobby is games. Nothing more than something to pass the time between the hours of when my kids go to bed and when I go to bed.

***That being said there are a lot of people that someone got it stuck in their heads that the game is life. These are the people who honestly think someone botting for money is affecting them.***

The game mechanics are crap, therefore the game is boring and tedius, so people invent new ways to get what they want, without actually having to be there.

People get mad, because they have to "work" all that time to get what a bot gets with no effort.

Who really cares though, it's a game. You are suppose to be playing it to have fun or to work for a goal. The bot is not affecting either of these.

If they do affect these then refer to the lines between the *'s.

Games are meaningless (albiet fun) waste of ones life. A bot has no life to waste, just don't get made at the bot for that.

Yeah, I can't say I haven't botted past some boring grind times in other MMO's

I no longer use because I don't really care that much about about buying things or leveling.

It is true though, that bots are there mostly due to poor game mechanics.

Wouldn't be a need to bot for money or levels if the game was actually fun to play.

Originally posted by qweniden

Originally posted by Ozmodan

If you can't figure out how much they effect gameplay, then you need to sit down and figure it out yourself.

Go play some NCSoft games and then you won't need to ask such a dumb question.

 

Aren't you a charming little pumpkin.

 

LOL, that is the best response I ever seen.

I never really understood how a player let a bot intimidate them and gameplay. I personally do not care if someone bots or not.

People say it inflates the economy, so what. Most games we will take wow for example since it has already been brought up in this forum.

WoW AH prices sometimes get inflated by bots. Who cares, the armor you need comes from arena points and honor, or from a raided instance. You really shouldn't be buying anything on the AH anyway. Money has become so easily available through daileys and other means that it isn't a concern at all.

If you wanna bitch about how much a flask cost, then why aren't you making them yourself. People complain because people are lazy. Machines are doing a job they do not want to do, yet complain when they pay the price for it.

Normal players do not care about bots, we get our armor through the means given to us, and make alts to provide ourselves with anything that our mains may need in terms of consumables.

Bots are ok, let them bot. Isn't bothering anyone except the lazy people.

I love bots,

They give me competition on the AH markets, competition is healthy any business owner will tell ya.

They keep the lands monster and animal free, for the rest of us to pass with no issues.

They give me something funny to watch while im running around, nothing like spazzy robot movements.

They keep the gold business flowing to give me a place to buy my gold when I do not feel like grind farming it for weeks on end.

Yep... I love the bots :)