While this is apparently a market scheme that they release this and most people see the roleplay element as abhorred and pointless, Warhammer was one of those classic firsts in the Roleplaying-Games realm.

True, any chatroom or even a pencil and paper can provide just as much of a roleplaying experience. The game is suited for PvP and even higher PvE than.. evidently just standing around known friends in a random spot in a lowbie zone to just act like a meniacal villain - not a bloody retard exclaiming at imaginary elephants, apricots, or Middle Earth. I defend this article to that point, as much of what I've read down to here that scoffs it has been quite stupid.

Also true, why play the game if you're not really playing the game? Imagination isn't just a brick concept anymore. I want to say some what I heard here almost sounds conservative. "No, you may not think for yourself and be original within the parameters." But in saying that I doubt it'll make sense to those it is intended for and will go straight over their heads.

Still a sham, though. Sadly. But if there are RPer's on WoW, I don't see the shame in WAR viably 'supporting' their own.

Originally posted by MephistoXV 
 

I don't want you in my game. Neither does Mythic.

 I understand that some people will never be impressed. I never disagreed that cities were content but as it pertains to a basis of need, you obviously aren't really playing the game for the game. Or if that, not even partaking in the RvR or PQs of certain pairings. It's Eye Candy and it's Function. One city from WoW is all it needs to function, and one city in WAR has done just as well. If it doesn't come, I can settle for less under the long-gone teachings of Keep It Simple, Stupid.

I agree with the poster but only half-assedly. The lack of soul goes both ways. If people aren't talking to you, think High School social ethics. Stay away from the freaky people or the people you hate. Ta-da.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

1) You don't actually know what an ultimatum is. As you, yourself, pointed out they (laughably) don't even have a forum for me to place one in the first place. The difference between an ultimatum and what I actually said can be found in the context alone- read the post again and more importantly to whom and about what I was actually debating.

2) Well obviously I will be taking your and that guys advice on this and won't subscribe? What exactly did you see in that 'ultimatum' if it wasn't a statement that I was so disappointed I would 'vote with my wallet'?

3) The other thing you have going on here is just old. Old and tired and transparent. You bring in an entire argument, lay it out, beat it, and than say I was going to say it. The intention there was to give the appearance that I did argue it, so you would win a point like we were playing pong. Same thing with the sarcasm, you are obviously here to win something. You couldn't care less about the actual topic.

Good God, just shut up and go play WoW if you're seriously throwing fits over the cities as if it was an unexcused insult straight to your face. The evidence you provided wasn't evidence, it was here-say, opinions and unofficial. If you aren't open to discussion (as you've back-talked everyone that barely disputed your side of the topic) then do as the first sentence condemned.

I don't want you in my game. Neither does Mythic.

Really. Really, really. There are more important things for them to do. I'm sure part of the reason WAR doesn't have an official forum is because they've seen what a company that listens to the forum will accidently do to their game.

Honestly I'd rather see classes in first rather than empty eye-candy. Order needs more people to be up-fronters. I'm sick of Bright Wizards being the only thing I fight or the only thing standing next to me on the other side of things. The only viable thing I could give a damn about cities is to add a couple extra instances after the original ones run out of flavor which we're still a good half-year from at best.

Originally posted by in4sit

Unless you like how AOC plays or Guild Wars.

I guess I hate the way the combat in this game is,.. its very lame. I know some of you find this fun, but as I said,.. if you did not like AOC or Guild Wars, do not touch this game.

A lot of you have come here from WOW and trust me, this game is not even close to WOW. I am not a WOW fan but WOW is better than this game... I haye to say that but its ture.

I was playing DAOC and I was really wanting this game to be like DAOC, but what a HUGE let down.

i have played: DAOC, AOC, SWG, EVE,  POTBS, Guild Wars, Asheron's Call, and COH, and WOW and I would say by far, this is the worst combat game play I have seen in a game.

The missions stink, the pick of toon's you can play stink, and just about everything stinks with this game..

The good??.. It looks pretty, nice job on the art work, but thats about it. I will not keep playing this after the 30 days and this was by far a waste of 50.00.

Good for you. Next?

Oh, and to compare any game (regardless of what it is, even) to AoC is an insult beyond belief. Get a better one for your thoughts.

This is awesome on Blizzard's part and it evidently is made to put shockwaves out to the media that Blizzard means business about botters. Just like it did the last two years. Totally.

I enjoy and love that they're doing this, it means so much good for the rest of us, but if I learn at any time that it was an opportunistic thing that could have been done months ago if not even farther before, it is a reply to Mythic's way of publicly shaming gold-sellers/buyers. I'm not commending WAR either. Saying "Tzeentch disapproves of thou" isn't going to stop a guy named Djgheuljf from anything and if somebody bought it it's only a small chance he get's caught unless he blabs it.

Actually the most shocking part about this whole post was that the value of the US Dollar is... Starting to get worthless.

Originally posted by Mcpoopypants

Originally posted by MephistoXV

Originally posted by Wizardry

I know WAR is designed around RVR and WOW is made for l33t kiddies to brag at school the next day about there RAIDING experience.

 

And I just had to add this; I'm still in High School. There is a whole group of very stupid kids at my school playing WoW who do just this. And they won't stop asking me to come back to WoW even though I never played with them. I make it a point to avoid people who's keyboards lack shift keys or period marks, with the letters L and O not faded out from overuse.

Hate to burst your bubble but Wars main dmeographic IS the l337 kiddies, thus yes WAR is for l337 kiddies who have no real skill and need to depend on a gear/level based game to get kills, since they cant via player skill
 

Gear is prominent but not required. Suggested for levels higher than 12 especially sense everyone becomes a wet paper bag at that point unless you have a personal warband of healers, but if you feel risky you can go ahead and wing it in briefs. Did it as a Chosen, did it as a Bright Wizard. Scored fairly high in both Scenarios.

And they'll always be there. But the 1337 kiddies will still be on WoW. You can't chain a macro with the use of all of the hardest-to-get Brutal Epics to one shot someone in WAR. Or spec an 'overpowered' class that can switch forms to break every possible dissorient, stealth, heal, and tank effortlessly.

Team work is necessary for one thing. Player skill may not but if you don't pay attention like most games, you get a bad view caused by your own hand.

WoW is fine. I played it a bit and it's okay. Two 70s, actually. A bit is about three and a half years here. But as I was saying, it's okay. It lacks grunge but sometimes that's what you want. It has a light heart, but I hated it at times. The world is huge and getting bigger, but at the same time so is the subscription base as much as the utter sense of annoyance in the 'community'.

I loved WoW and as I've put it before, always will. No MMO has topped it (no one can say 'no MMO can top it' because one day, one certainly can and will), and most likely wont for a long time. Slowly I felt the sense of immersion slip from me as I approached level 60 in the original version and as soon as I realized how hard it would be to compete with nine other people let alone thirty-nine others for a spot to get a fifth of a chance at gear - immersion died on the spot.

Burning Crusade sprouted up. Ten more golden levels of fun, love, and more annoyances - died again at level 70 after the Arena was made your only choice for a moderate chance of success in PvP and PvE was once again gather more friends that don't really like you at all for a chance to get a sixth of a chance at gear this round.

I have tried AoC, WAR, LotRO, and EVE. WoW was the 'best' game. WAR was the fastest and most immersive. EVE was the most unique and expansive. LotRO was the most enriching in storytelling. AoC was just... Oh holy mother of God, I swear on an upside down cross I would kill myself if I play it again.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I know WAR is designed around RVR and WOW is made for l33t kiddies to brag at school the next day about there RAIDING experience.

And I just had to add this; I'm still in High School. There is a whole group of very stupid kids at my school playing WoW who do just this. And they won't stop asking me to come back to WoW even though I never played with them. I make it a point to avoid people who's keyboards lack shift keys or period marks, with the letters L and O not faded out from overuse.

I love doing this now. But it fits.

Your opinion is fine and all and you at least brought very notable facts but the game is young. Aside from AoC, this game can improve. It has a devoted and much better funded company behind it. EA is the scourge of a lot of games evidently, their dealing with Spore being one of which. But for an MMO being guarded by Games Workshop, little can be done to dismark it. Mythic is nearly independent and Failcom was a failure before release.

Bugs can go away. There is content, and that is undeniable. WoW was horrid at launch. But if you love playing a child's game with your cartoons and the many hundreds of sick cybering freaks, be my guest. Just tell them  and anyone else intolerant and impatient to stay there and keep it in whispers.

AoC just plain failed to deliver. WAR at least has stuff to do.

Last post 'ere, just very bored.

Originally posted by greydor

guess i give up on mmo's for a while

Good for you.

Warhammer rightfully deserves these numbers, and more. It's competition, of course, to WoW and its ilk. But it does different things and it does better things. WoW is hardly casual.

Skip'd the other dudes' posts, don't care much for reading haters' opinions and it's really not worth finding those golden jewels who agree with you.

I support the OP's thesis here. They may not be facts, but they can be.

Not every part is flawless. But it's less flawed than WoW, in my opinion. But that's just opinion and I'm not calling it fact. Idiots here don't seem to realize that; fanbois, haters, general people abound.

I prefer that it gets a 10 because it deserves it.

*Skips all but the first three posts:*

Nobody expects the English Inquisition?

Far be it from me to respond to hype. I respond to truths.

I have no problems with WAR as it is. In the Closed Beta I had claimed that I would rather be playing it as it was then than WoW... Ever again. Now, I can earnestly say that WAR is a smooth game with a big future ahead of it unlike AoC or the dead-ended other games released not too long ago. For one, WAR is the first game to have made me dissent from WoW.

Barnett, Hickman, Drescher, and Jacobs are now favorites of my gaming world. All I knew before was Metzen because of the Draenei/Blood Elf Lore debaucle and the stupid as hell Christmas Quest.

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by Reygar
Try again...it's November 13th....the release of Wrath of the Lich King.......

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WOW - my mistake. But then 99% of the worlds population dont use the stupid American date format.
 

America does a lot of things most people find stupid. From the metric system to a TV culture.

That same culture has seemed to have ruined most of the minds that have posted thus far. The OP is probably a troll rejoicing a fun time in a fun game. He/she blatantly insulted WoW but for god's sake, I think WoW deserves as much at most times. Or at least the players do.

10 million, which a large majority are now Asian and an even more startling percentage of which are polar bears hiding in the basements of adults who thought they had children. The majority of WoW players won't be switching because they are the arrogants who believe their life should center around "being with" 24 other people in static hell for a few hours or are too busy getting phat lewts that weren't really earned so much as sat around for.

Four years of WoW and all I can say is Death Knights can go try to suck a doorknob.

Edit: And no, I don't agree with the OP that WAR will obliterate WoW, but it's funny to watch people walk up and slap it in the face once and a while. People left for Lotro, people left for AoC, people left for every other little game. To me it just means there's a large group of people who really don't want to play WoW but don't want trash - and aren't giving up on the search.
 

I agree with everything Galac' said. Very sad but we buy into it because boredom is fun to nearly 9 million plays and to the other million it's a job. (Ni hao!) They know so the masses follow. And everyone has to admit that there are golden moments. I think those'd be the times I personally stay for, be they special PvE encounters or a group of three idiots who can't defend themselves against just me.

Only problem I had with the speech was that at the end it turned into an advertisement for yet another MMO that promises something 'different', contradictory to speech.