its so odd that every time a new MMO comes out its judged on its similarities to WoW or differences of...

WHY? because theres so many people that WoW was their first and ONLY MMO ever played, it happened with my brother... and i tire of hearing "WAR is just a WoW clone because you raise levels and kill stuff..." lol. rock n roll, is rock n roll, theres distortion, vocals, drums and a bass player. sometimes some people write songs a little different or add a keyboardist (AoC copmbat), or a flute running through a leslie cab a tweeter that spins really fast in its enclosure, (pirates of the burning sea/ eve online?)... but its ROCK N ROLL!!! it will never change. if it did, it wouldnt be ROCK N ROLL!!! when i buy an MMO i want it to be an MMO!!! there will be fighting, leveling, gear, loot and maybe some story sprinkled in. world didnt invent MMOs. in fact its art style is VERY reminiscent of warhammer, but so many fanboys wont know that because warhammers been around WAY LONGER than warcraft. in fact, i think warhammer was the first fantasy setting to go the route of "hyper fantasy". and WoW definitely borrows heavily from that. and thats fine. i love the WoW setting, because i was a warcraft fan way before world came out (playing the RTS).

and the theory i brought up to my friend just days ago was AoC was like EQ2 releasing first and had its own thing, but then WoW launched after like WAR will and really defined how an MMO should evolve. let me explain.

remember playing DAoC? remember that downtime between fights? or playing FF11 and playing a lv 25 character not able to take out a lv 24 enemy without a group? those are the kind of things that made me LOVE WoW when it came out. it evolved the areas that were fundamentally broke in the older era of MMOs. and now i think WAR will release and fix the things we dont realise we hate about WoW. AoC will always be around as a fun MMO to play when your burned on everything else, but i have a feeling WAR is going to be the new king of the hill. mark my words, i'll go on record now as saying so.

gee...

when is the last time you played an MMO on day one and said to yourself, "yup, this is awesome, im cancelling all my plans and other subscriptions..."

if your truthful with yourself, you might say never. although i do understand that doesnt mean they wouldnt leave you with a positive a view of the game on day one. the thing with MMOs is, theyre like wine and good movies, they take a bit more time to delve into and understand the motivations of playing and the depth of background otherwise.

every MMO i have ever played left me feeling a little confused on day one. i feel as though thats a healthy reaction to games that are so huge anymore it takes years to explore. how can you claim to have an understanding of the bottom of the ocean when you are swimming at the top still breathing air? you need to dive down as far as you can till your breath is squeezed from your lungs by the pressure of the deep. then maybe you will understand.

i always give MMOs a good 3 months to sink in before i decide if im going to leave it installed or uninstall it. it just seems like everyone has been waiting so long to play they feel as though they need to have a strong opinion as soon as they can before obsorbing the "feel" of the game and letting it happen organically.

dont force it guys. im sure as time wears on a bit, things will be more clear. its also sometimes hard to see the shape of a cloud when the sun is right behind it. i think thats the best way to look at MMOs as a certain shape drenched in a light that may be a different frequency than your used to seeing.

most of my favorite things in life have been accuired tastes...

"guild wars 1.5???" laughable man...

how about EVERY FANTASY GAME EVER IS D&D 1.5 period. with the small exception of any LotRs etc...

as far as the hirelings? this single feature could make me sub to DDO every month along with lotro, WOW!!!

it makes sense. D&D is and has always been a party type system, so if you have no friends to play online with you to get through those dungeons it only makes TOTAL sense to have hireling NPCs!!!

wow, time to re-install DDO!

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by rocknerd

im ressurecting this discussion because chatting about where beta is, when the beta is, whos more beta than you, whos beta balls are beta-er than you, etc... BORING.

im so blown away by what this game is doing and ive been watching ALL the old dev videos, very cool stuff going to happen in this game. but i just still cant help but feel a little bummed about the sacrifice of the tank/melee classes.

i would rather have a crap "paladin" like character for order humans than none at all. and what about the greenskins? the orc IS its own class a black orc and thats IT. theres two goblin classes and then theres the orc CLASS...? choppa is gone?!?!?! 

and then i look at chaos and see the marauder and the chose. how will this link up against the order? well pretty damn nicely for the chaos having a balanced group of class- healer, mage, melee DPS and a tank.

what does order have to work with? 2 meatbags and a lightly armored ranged DPS. for a game that is based on War and RvR there seems to be a bad imbalance. i mean the high elves are the only balanced race for the order side? the dwarves took a hit too.

it just seems so disappointing. but please believe me when i say im super stoked for this game and i WILL buy it no matter what. mythic is making a game that will blow minds. i just would rather have shit classes that feel weak that none at all. i know that mythic said the classes cant be all that they should be, but man couldnt they fake em for now and finish tweaking them within the next few months of patches?

i do think they were right to ditch the other 4 cities to focus RvR into two.

i dont know... it seems like im the only one who cares anymore.  anyways, whats everyones thoughts?

 

 

The only reason it feels like your the only one that cares anymore is because its a dead horse. Beaten over and over and over again. I'm not flaming you, I'm just pointing out most of us are tired of discussing classes that are out for release. Nothing we say is going to change it. We have discussed it for pages on end already...what else is there to say?

well theres lots for me to say because i usually dont post here and havent spoken much on this topic. unfortunately theres no official forum and as much as your opinion is valid here so is mine. and i would just rather talk about classes than beta. im sure 80% of you want to talk about beta but maybe theres a few who want to discuss classes with me, if so, no skin off of anyone elses back. and im not completely focused on complaining about the absence of tanks as much as im interested in talking about the games balance now that i have watched more dev pod casts about RvR combat and how the tiers of combat work. i think these are valid and fresh points given the information that gets rolled out weekly.

it seems your tired of the topic but should i be not speak my mind cause others tire of said topic?

im ressurecting this discussion because chatting about where beta is, when the beta is, whos more beta than you, whos beta balls are beta-er than you, etc... BORING.

im so blown away by what this game is doing and ive been watching ALL the old dev videos, very cool stuff going to happen in this game. but i just still cant help but feel a little bummed about the sacrifice of the tank/melee classes.

i would rather have a crap "paladin" like character for order humans than none at all. and what about the greenskins? the orc IS its own class a black orc and thats IT. theres two goblin classes and then theres the orc CLASS...? choppa is gone?!?!?! 

and then i look at chaos and see the marauder and the chose. how will this link up against the order? well pretty damn nicely for the chaos having a balanced group of class- healer, mage, melee DPS and a tank.

what does order have to work with? 2 meatbags and a lightly armored ranged DPS. for a game that is based on War and RvR there seems to be a bad imbalance. i mean the high elves are the only balanced race for the order side? the dwarves took a hit too.

it just seems so disappointing. but please believe me when i say im super stoked for this game and i WILL buy it no matter what. mythic is making a game that will blow minds. i just would rather have shit classes that feel weak that none at all. i know that mythic said the classes cant be all that they should be, but man couldnt they fake em for now and finish tweaking them within the next few months of patches?

i do think they were right to ditch the other 4 cities to focus RvR into two.

i dont know... it seems like im the only one who cares anymore.  anyways, whats everyones thoughts?

i was a bit bummed and affraid till i read his reply to all the negativity. im fine. and i cant wait to play WAR!!!

ON AoC-

AoC is like a prostitute with a thousand dollar dress. she looks ok from a distance but once you take off her dress and sniff her panties you want to puke up all the razor blades you just swallowed to upgrade your PC just to run it!!!

um yeah, a lil 3am etherspeak.

anyways, sure, looks good, but damn theres just not much goin on, its a PvP with no reason to PvP. its a PvE with no reason to PvE, no loot,  atmospheric voice acting ends at lv 20. theres no crafting till lv 40!?!?!? are you effingly kidding me?!?!?!?!? bad conan, go sit in the corner while i wait for WAR...

ON WAR-

im not a PvP fan at all. but, i like what i see with WAR. i just have a feeling its going to blow us all away. i think everyone that reads about WAR becomes frightened. it seems like theres something to scare everyone off but i just think its because it has some gnarly ideas that WILL work. it covers many areas. and as far as the recent announcement to cut some content out i was really bummed at first and i climbed the fence and sat fora bit. but once i read the mark's reply it totally comforted me like a tasty breats in the mouth of a crying babe... makes sense. now sure its a bummer people who wanted to play a dark elf wont be able to have a tank but if you really think about it theres 20 classes and from what i see so far, they will have a lil more style than conan's super lame classes that share half of the same abilities and skills that just have different icons and names and they all do the same thing.

and WAR is super badass stylized. when i saw the video of the orc going about splitting the shit out of poor peons blood i was diggin that footage. it looks fun. i like that the game seems focused, only 40 levels makes sense to me. i really liked LotROs setup too with a focused 50 levels. i think it will feel really focused too. i think by the end of the year i will be playing LotRO: MoM and WAR!!!

EDIT- sorry didnt do all my homework. the only decision i CANNOT AGREE WITH AT ALL is the decision to NOT finish the knights of the blazing sun??? how can you have "ORDER" without a knight class and for the humans no less? it just dont get that. you would think that they could force a decent turd of a class out just so that theres some kind of facade balance there. i mean the humans have a priest, a wizard and a scout type class??? thats it. the humans, which are the keystone of the order have three meatbags with no armor and leadership skills???????????????????????? now i understand that some of you have had designs leading up to the launch on a pre set type of character, like maybe the dark elf blackgaurd which you wont agree with me because of that. BUT, truly look at the balance of the humans classes and tell me it just doesnt feel right?

what do you guys think about this????