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They're singing a different tune now
General Discussion « Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 1/28/07 12:58:38 PM
Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi
You didn't play wow in the first year it was released did you? If you had you would know about all the bugs they had to adress with the game. You can even find the old patch nots or even the current patch notes and see all the bugs they had to fix that had absolutely nothing to do population. I can even take it a step further. When WoW was released the servers they used were junk and unable to maintane the loads, it took them over a year to upgrade to the appropriate hardware. At release this had nothing to do with the numbers of people playing. WoW doesn't use servers that allow for 10k people to log on at a time. between the US and Oceanic player base you have under 3 miilion people playing and Blizzard has to use around the order of 50 servers to handle those people. Other games are able to sustain roughly that same number of people with only a half dozen servers. It's not the number of people, it's the low capacity servers that Blizzard used. You can even site Blizzard for not being prepared to deal with the problem at launch. How about with every magor patch Blizzard has had to change parts of thier UI code? Now why would they need to do that? Games only been out 2 years not 3. An xpac was supposed to be release every YEAR not 2 according to blizzard original plan. There is a difference between a game breaking bug and bugs that are just an annoyance. WoW didn't have any game breaking bugs, but it did have a hell of a lot of annoying ones, and I fully expect VG to be the same way. AS I would expect just about any MMO. It takes time to work out all of the little kinks in games like these. |
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Listen, this is the low-down on VG...
General Discussion « Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 1/28/07 12:23:24 PM
Originally posted by Grachus
WoW is the same repetetive gameplay pre and post expantion with little depth and next to nothing to do at the lvl cap (PvP through BG and more raiding is the same thing they've given us for the past 2 years) but perfect if you don't want to feel like a part of the world. EVE wasn't my cup of tea, but I played the game itself to make my mind up of that, not the beta Guild Wars was also not my cup of tea and not an MMO in traditional sence, and again I played the accuall game, not the beta EQ also wan't what I was looking for, although it did keep my attention for a few months, once again I played the game not the beta If you want to know what the game is like and don't want to buy it yet, then wait for the reviews to hit the magazines and internet. Giving a halfassed review of a game while it's in beta is like reviewing a movie before it's been fully edited. |
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They're singing a different tune now
General Discussion « Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 1/28/07 11:19:50 AM
Originally posted by Jackdog
I'm not preaching as a Sony rep, or saying that Vanguard is without fault. I'm telling you to get your head out of your ass and get of the "WoW is the perfect little princess of the MMO world." If you played WoW when it was released and continued for any length of time you would know what kind of a pain in the ass it was for the first half of the year. Christ, you're still lucky if you can get through a tuesday evening without trouble; WoW is the only MMO I've ever played that Mondays were dreaded becuase the following morning it was pretty much given that Blizzard would fubar the servers for maintenance. Vanguard hasn't even been officially released yet, betas been closed for what, a week or a little more, and you seem to know exactly how the game is playing before you've even played it. Once again, beta TESTING is not PLAYING. Beta testing isn't there so you can preview the game for free, it's there to help the developes determine what problems need to be corrected to make the game playable at launch, and that's exactly what they did. Hell in two days before the games even officially launched sigil has done a helluva job improving the performance. Let us not forget that WoW was also coded to run on a low end PC, and half of the video setting that are in the game now didn't get in there until almost a year after launch. Options like anitalliasing, antisotropic filtering, you know, thing that are pretty much standard on every other PC game released in the past few years. How about weather effects? It didn't rain in Azeroth for almost a year; nor could you adjust the bloom effects in the game, you know what Blizzard calls spell effects. WoW also uses somethng around half the pollygons as Vanguard, and yet I recall constant server crashes and some of the worst lag I've encountered in an MMO for the first several MONTHS. In fact, people bitched that WoW was rushed to the shelves when it was released as well. People really have short memories when they chose to. Something tells me you would be singing an entirely different tune if the game wasnt published by Sony. SWG and EW2 didn't turn out the way you wanted? That's funny cause I recall EQ being a very popular game; infact didn't it get the nickname Evercrack? Hey smart guy, guess who was responsible for EQ? That's right, Mr. Mcquaid and that evil empire Sony. But you prolly know more about how to produce a hit game then Sigil or Sony. If you think that LoTR is going to release completely bug free then I got some property in south florida I think would be perfect for you. |
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They're singing a different tune now
General Discussion « Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 1/28/07 9:09:05 AM
Originally posted by Jackdog
I really don't understand why people expect an MMO to be released will absolutely no flaws; hell most PC games I buy have this feature to update so that patches can be downloaded to fix bugs or performance issues the game was shipped with. This isn't an MMO exlusive problem, it's a PC software problem; not even your operating system is perfect at release, and people expect a video game to be. What I really don't understand is the people that don't have interest in this game, judged it off of a beta test (BTW you don't "play" the beta, you TEST the beta), and have no intentions of buy the game still patroll these forums to preach how bad it is. Stop thinking of WoW and believing that every game should model after it. You want the truth? There is not a SINGLE thing in WoW that the Blizzard devs didn't get from a half dozen other MMO's. WoW is as much a clone as every other MMO being released. About the only game that is doing something wholey unique or original is AoC. WoW also had brand recocnition, for over a decade millions of people played the warcraft series, so It kinda goes without saying that it was going to be one of the largest grossing MMO's in history. Consider that in the US prior to WoW any MMO that was able to hit the 500k mark was considered a success; even today a game that is able to reach 150k is considered succesfull. For gods sake eve is considered a highly succesfull game and I don't believe they've come close to 75k players. Games are modelled after dif. demographics. Eve runs on one server and is intended to carry a small, compared to most MMO"s, subscription base. You don't need millions of people to play the game for it to make a profit; in fact it can be all relative. The more people playing the more servers you need the more tech guys it takes to maintane and service the servers, more CS specialist, etc etc. How about this. One guy made a comment about were the pre-order money was going. Consider the 8 million people playing wow, about half of them for the past 2 years; lemme ask, were did all of that money go? Every MMO releases content patches and expantions yet WoW has had only one xpac and the content they release every 4 to 6 months really hasn't been that great considering only a small percentage of the people playing are able to experience that content. WoW isn't the model for future MMO's to get it right. EQ, UO, AO, DAoC, Shadowbane, and every other 1st gen MMO with any moderate amount of success is the model. Think you shouldn't have to upgrade your PC to play a new game? That's cool, Sony should send me the neccasary parts for my PS2 to play the PS3 games becuase I shouldn't have to upgrade my console after 5 years to play the newest console games. Upgrading is a part of PC gaming and always has been, you can't bash a game for that, if anything bash the video card makers because instead of every 5 years like the consoles you have to upgrade about every 2 years to keep up, and that's not the software developers fault, theyre just trying to keep up with consoles. Those that bashed the game in beta and continue to bash it now hold zero weight. They never "played" the game, and unless your the dev. responsible for the game you don't really have any idea when the game should be released. Another 6 months of beta? Again for the guy who thinks he knows were the pre-order money is going. Allow me to enlighten you. The pre-order money went to pay the people who spent the last few years working on an IP that wasn't making zero profit, that money went to pay back the banks and capital lenders who put the money need to begin work on the IP with the understanding that they in turn would make money when the IP was released. Vanguard isn't making a profit today. Friday was the start of Sigil's climb from black, and no one involved in vanguard is going to see a profit for several months to come. Another 6 months means they continue to climb deeper into that black hole and backers continue to recieve nothing for the investments they made. You don't know what kind of pressure they were under by the peoples that put of the millions it takes to develope a game like this to release, You don't know how truelly ready the game is for launch because areas of the game were locked in beta, because monitoring tools are running that on release wont run and therefore can give a false idea of what the games performance is like. You may not like that combat, crafting, or the over all "feel" of the game from beta, and that's cool, but why would you continue to troll a forum to tell people that the game isn't good when you have never "played" the game. |
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Why I don't want to play on the same server with Xbox controllers
General Discussion « Age of Conan 1/27/07 6:11:09 PM
Originally posted by desnow Kinda gotta have Vista for dx10, otherwise all of that optimization and building off of the vista system would be a complete waste of time. :) |
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Why I don't want to play on the same server with Xbox controllers
General Discussion « Age of Conan 1/27/07 6:09:09 PM
Originally posted by desnow That's odd, could have swore I read that PC and console owners would get to play together. Age of conan is a Games for Windows game as well as a 360 game and I think that by splitting the two would go against the Games for Windows guidelines. I mean even if you ignore the fact that with the release of Vista we'll be seeing the advent of Live Anywhere whose only purpose is to bring console and PC gamers together. Walk into EB or any store with a Games for Windows kiosk up and take a look at Halo2. And you may want to recheck that info, I really coulda swore that the entire intent from the beginning was to bring PC and console gamers together in AoC. |
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Why I don't want to play on the same server with Xbox controllers
General Discussion « Age of Conan 1/27/07 6:02:23 PM
Every person I know with a 360 doesn't even know what a forum is; not to mention the mouse/ keyboard over controller for FPS is an age old debate. You should be a little more open minded about cross platform MMO's. FF11 already does it, don't know how many people are playing the console version of FF11, and Microsoft is a HUGE force in both the PC and console market. Along with the entire push with the "games for windows" marketing and the success of the 360, I would have to say that cross platform gaming of any kind is good for everyone. |
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Ding!!
And this is why so many games are lacking in any real depth, but I don't think this is so much the developers fault but the company that is making the monetary investment in the game to start. Pretty games sell; so if you make the game really, really pretty with few features you are more likely to sell a ton of copies up front. MMO's also start in the black more so then a single player game. All those servers to pay for and run, the CS department to fund; I think that software companies focus on getting a return for all the money they put out before anyones ever bought the game that they go for the "safe" thing and overload on graphics in an ettept to sell more.
I think that it won't be long before software companies learn that MMO players are not the same as single player console gamers, and we require more depth to our games. |
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Not one person I know has recomended Gears of War because of the graphics. They keep telling me how much fun the game is.
Graphics matter but I don't think it's to the extent of having to compare apples to oranges. WoW isn't the prettiest game on the market, but I played it. I played it because for a while it was fun. Lineage 2, EQ2, MXO, CoH, EvE, etc. are all much prettier games, but I haven't played any of them for nearly as long as WoW, with the exception of CoH.
Art style and graphics also don't go hand in hand. EQ2 has amazing graphics, but L2 has the most impressive art style of just about any game I have ever played.
Most people are graphics whores, I am, but I think that when It comes to MMO's it's the gameplay more then the graphics that matter. I also think that developers keep kicking themselves in the nuts when they produce a game that is graphically stunning and geared towards hardcore players. I've gotten the impression over the years that hardcore MMO players are less the graphics whores then the casual. The casual gamer/MMOer wants to hop into a game, play for a bit, then do something else; they look for graphics. The hardcore only needs it to look good enough to spend several hours a night with; these people I think pay a little more attention to gameplay.
Inovation has nothing to do with graphics; everything to do with gameplay. Well see inovation from a large commercial game the day that software companies loosen the vice grips from the testes of the software developers trying to make a game that can claim to compete with WoW.
A game that's pretty and allows players to truelly be a part of the world they play in. Untill then well keep on playing the newest piece of crap because it's prettier then the last piece of crap. |
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You can also kill the bots to. Sometimes that can be a nice little break from grinding. Just don't kill more then 5 at a time :)
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Never played FFXI. L2 isn't as hard to lvl in as some may like you to think. And it has getten MUCH easier. Also the end game is PvP, but since you can do PvP at any lvl I guess you can say it takes about the time to create a character to enjoy end game :) Being effective at pvp on the other hand... |
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General: Column: Politics, Hypocrites and Twits
News Discussion « General Discussion 11/14/06 11:56:06 AM
So if you're a game developer you can't get a date let alone find a woman to have your children? How sophomoric is that?
Self edit or self police? In order to do that then some sort of guide lines would have to be laid down as to what a developer can put into a game to start with. Then from thier they would police themselves by ensuring that that content doesn't make it into the game.
Or do you mean restraint on the part of game devs.? Restraint would be a little more fitting as it would take some to keep excessive violence to the point of being needless out of games. But would we stop thier.
Can your same assumption be made of the movie industry, or how about music; after all we all know that hip hop is the bane of the music industry. Are all producers simply trying to hide from thier responsibilities as adults to edit a song every time an artist tells a girl to get low? Let's ignore the deflamitory remarks I've heard in rock, metal, country, blue grass and just focus on hip hop as the evil enteprise much like video games.
China has, is, or was implementing a law that limitted how long the chinese peoples could play video games, or just MMO. This is a communist country and better suited for the ideals of Mr. Thompson and anyone else that feels that the government has a right to say what we can watch, play, say, or listen to.
The same constitutional rights that allow a game dev. like rockstar to produce the games they produce, also give you the same rights to make an assinine comment like game devs. can't get dates or have children. Funny how that works. |
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General: Column: Politics, Hypocrites and Twits
News Discussion « General Discussion 11/14/06 11:39:33 AM
I forget the name of the guy in the middle of the debate, but he had it right.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENTS TO MONITOR THE ACTIVITIES OF THIER CHILDREN. It is not up to politicians and lawyers to determine what is appropriate for ME to play as a 30 yr old adult. MA ratings on video games are thier for a reason. If Mr. Thompson was trying to put pressure on retailers to ensure that the sales of MA rated games are sold to only those individuals over the age of 18 that would be all well and dandy, but to say that a developer doesn't have the right to produce a game because he doesn't like the content is plain assinine.
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How much jumping back and forth from the web page to the client is involved Amorphism?
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130+ planets discovered and NASA will be putting a new space telescope into orbit very soon that will be able to locate earth sized planets. I think we even have a probe passing the edge of our own solar system as we speak. We haven't stopped, the public is losing interest as information is taking longer to relay back to us. |
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Except that the magority didn't vote for bush. He lost the popular vote and the popular vote is the magority. The world views americans based on our presisdent, and we as americans typically do the same to other countries. |
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Israel attacks Lebanon, leaving many dead
Off-Topic Discussion « General Discussion 7/23/06 8:00:21 AM
American extremists dont strap bombs to thier themselves and walk into the middle of a crowded market full of innocent people. American extremists dont kidnap civillians and soldiers and use them in an attept to free other extremists to that they have more men to strap bombs to themselves. People seem to think that this sort of thing is an Isreal vs whoever thing. Somalian muslim extremists are declaring war on ethiopians for aiding the somalian government. Iranian president has made it clear that he want nuclear weapons to destroy isreal. Lebonese politicians claim that hezbalah attacks isreal because of isreali ocupation of lebonese land. Land that hasn't been occupied for 6 years now. Syria provides trade routes into lebanon. Isreal agrees to pull troops out of the gaza strip and palanstine agrees to blow up isreali soldiers and civiliians for giving them what they wanted. Dimplomacy hasn't worked in the middle east for 50yrs and will never work as long as the muslim extremist that run those contries are allowed to operate with immunity from the rest of the world. This isn't about occupation. This is about a jewish state in the middle of the worlds largest population of muslims, muslims who don't even like each other I might add. The only solution that would make lebenon, palenstine, syria, iran, liberia, and whoever else happy, would be the removal of the country of isreal. How many times do they have to tell the world so plainly as they do. The middle east can not have piece as long as there is a jewish controlled country in the middle east. This war has been 50 yrs in the making and its about damn time that isreal is doing what the rest of the world has been to scared to do. |
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