I can't get their stupid beta sign-up form to work in either IE 8 or Firefox....

Even after turning on Compatibility mode in IE 8 and still doesn't work.... fun fun... lol

"Originally posted by Perdition_uk

My favourite (no matter how many times I see it) will always be...

Party:> Player1-"RUNwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
Player1 has died"

LOL; that would have me laughing too...  :)

Only one i recognized/have ever heard was "working as intended". Never heard fo any of the others till now... so, can't be too common of phrases.... lol

Originally posted by MidniteHowl

Originally posted by LynxJSA

The EULA that you agree to in each MMO states that they have the right to shut down the service. It often also states what kind of timeframe or notice they will give.

 

You paid for the material and license to use the client software for a service. You own the CD, not the game. This is true of every game you purchase. You do know this, right?

 

 

Yes, I know that, but I also know that if you look at that from a console or non-mmo point-of-view, owning the cd means I can play the game for as long as I wish. If I own say Oblivion on my Xbox 360, I can play it as often and as long as I wish, and being that the game is "owned" by Bethesda they still can't come in my home and take it away. So, in a sense, I do own the games I purchase. See purchased = owned. That's how it works. If you buy a car, do you own the car, or does the manufacturer?

I also mentioned that I was aware that the devs are probably covered in the EULA ( I just didn't call it EULA), so I'm aware of that, but still doesn't seem right in comparison to anything else we purchase and can keep for life. Why do you think record producers and movie producers can't stop the copying of their material? It is our right to have back-up copies to ensure we can keep these things for life. I know people abuse that and sell copies for money, but that's a whole other topic there.

Owning a car or a single-player game is completely different from and mmorpg/online game.

Now, if a game release dn then shuts down about a month later - maybe then get some kinda refund - but other than that I don't see too many company giving money back.

I will try and listen in when/if I can.

One thing, if you can - you need to re-do some of the link in the first post becuase some of them have "http://www.mmorpg.com/" before the actual link you want them to go to. What I mean is something like this:

http://www.mmorpg.com/"http://www.sanitarium.fm/index.php?p=irc"

It will be a WHILE before Guild Wars servers shut down.

Guild Wars 2 hasn't even gone into beta testing; and they already said they will be keeping Guild Wars going after Guild Wars 2 releases.

But anohter MMo that has decent graphics is Age of Conan

Originally posted by Quizzical

Originally posted by jdm12983
 

• World of Warcraft Plus: Gear/Weapons are easier to get. You can more easily buy gear and weapons in WoW; from either Auction house or vendors. Guild Wars has armor and weapon vendors but thos require you to collect/gather the crafting materials for them and then pay to have them made (from the NPCs). Not alway a bad thing; but, sometimes it's a little harder to get the next level gear/weapons.

 

WoW gear is only easier to get if in the sense that if all you want is frequent gear drops, without regard to whether actually using the drop would be reasonable, then WoW will give you a lot more of them.  If it's the frequency of gear drops that you could actually use without being an idiot for it, Guild Wars has more.  If it's frequency of getting gear drops that you might use, but wouldn't be immediately looking to replace it as soon as possible, Guild Wars has far, far more than WoW.  And if it's the difficulty of getting the top gear that you actually want well ahead of time, Guild Wars makes that dramatically easier in many, many ways.

In Guild Wars, between my characters, I have about 30 complete sets of perfect gear.  I have enough stuff sitting around that if I wanted another 30 complete sets, I could go get them right now, without needing to farm anything.

In WoW, has there ever been anyone who had, for every single gear slot, 30 items that could arguably be the very best item in the game for that slot under certain circumstances?  That's not just 30 raid epics for every slot, but all top tier stuff such that there is no other item in the game that is clearly better in the same slot.  (That could be spread across multiple characters, of course; it would be stupid to have all that on one character.)  Because what I have right now in Guild Wars is pretty comparable to that, and wasn't really that hard to get.

If being easier to get gear is a plus, Guild Wars wins that category by an enormous margin.

I will say this again... those wre just my opinions... I in no way got exact with certain tpyes of gear or whatever.

I just merely stated that overall to just got and buy gear it's easier in WoW; I didn't get exact by saying "easier to get gear that exactly suits your current toon's needs".

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by jdm12983
 

• World of Warcraft Plus: Gear/Weapons are easier to get. You can more easily buy gear and weapons in WoW; from either Auction house or vendors. Guild Wars has armor and weapon vendors but thos require you to collect/gather the crafting materials for them and then pay to have them made (from the NPCs). Not alway a bad thing; but, sometimes it's a little harder to get the next level gear/weapons.

 

I have to say, everything else you said is either fact or opinion, but this one is just completely wrong. Yes, buying a SPECIFIC item is easier to get in WoW because of auction houses, and ONLY if it is tradable. But gear is WAY easier to get in GW. Your first character it may take a little bit to get the money and crafting materials, but not much. Beyond that, you can get MAX gear usually by level 10 and it takes a couple minutes to get. In WoW to get MAX gear, you have to spend months and months doing raids or PvP.

A couple minutes is a lot easier than months and months.

As I stated; those were the thing that I liked about each game. So yes; some of that is just opinion.

But with gear - I just meant in general sense. Because; yes, with Guild was you can actualy just buy the max-lvl armor but it will take a decent amount for farming for money to either buy the mats from the vendor or other players.

However in WoW you can juts but high lvl items straight from the Auction House or sometimes other players directly. Granted; it still takes a decent amount of money gathering from time to time but I feal (again - just my opinion) that it's a little easier to get decent lvl gear in WoW.

Either way it goes though - both games are great in their own ways. :)

As others have stated: it's kinda hard to compare these two games because they have some major differneces in their game style/mechanics.

However; I'll list the things I like about each game. (in no particular order)

• Guild Wars Plus: Heros and Henchmen. NPCs tht you can put inot your group to help you quest and explore. They are as versitile as an actual player but they help alot. The heroes however are closest to actual players becuase you can set their weapons, gear and ability points
   
• World of Warcraft Plus: Gear/Weapons are easier to get. You can more easily buy gear and weapons in WoW; from either Auction house or vendors. Guild Wars has armor and weapon vendors but thos require you to collect/gather the crafting materials for them and then pay to have them made (from the NPCs). Not alway a bad thing; but, sometimes it's a little harder to get the next level gear/weapons.
   
• World of Warcraft Plus: Jumping! lol; weird as it sounds, youy cannot jump in guild wras unles you do /jump as an emote basically (you jump in place).
   
• Guild Wars Plus: Some may not like this but I do; being able to start attacking something and then auto-follow it if it runs away or if you are out of range.
   
• Guild Wars Plus: Being able to use any weapon/gear combination within the game not mater your profession or skills. Meaning: you could be a warrior and use a "wand of sorts to do casting damage. Granted, if you don't have certin skill sets for the item you wil not do as much damage as you possibly could.
   
• Guild Wars Plus (sometimes): the main part of the world is instanced - allowing you to more easily complete quest and get items. [this is alos sometimes its' minus]
   
• World of Warcraft Plus (sometimes): the main part of the world isn't instanced. Somtimes making it easier to pick-up people for help - or to help them - while questing instead of heading back to the towns.
   
• Guild Wars Plus: Seperated PvP. But this does become an issue if from time to time you would like to just happen apon somebody and attack them... lol

This is by no means everything i like/dislike about each game - just some of the biggere things that stuck out to me just now.

Originally posted by jdm12983

Well, took several hours to re-install and update the game...

Try 2 times to start my accoutn back up with my debit/Visa card it kept declining it. Haven't tried with anthor card yet though.

Anyone else had any issues with credit cards before? (I know it isn't my actualy card nto being good cause I have used it sense then at other places)

OK, had to use a different card - it's workig now.

Did have one other question. I had gotten into the paid beta and had early access/pre-order; so I have the mamoth mount - was wondering if only one toon gets that or if more than one could get it?

Also if there was any slash command that would get you any special items you migth have earned/received. What I mean is like with guild wars when you pursed a special weapons pack - or whatever it was - you did somwething like " /gifts "; or soemthing to that effect... lol

Main reason I'm asking bout the mount is - I have a toona lready, and leveld a little bit, but I kinda want a fresh start to the game so that I'm kinda not lost on what my guy was doing... lol But, I won't start over if I can't get that mamoth mount again.

Thanks.

Well, took several hours to re-install and update the game...

Try 2 times to start my accoutn back up with my debit/Visa card it kept declining it. Haven't tried with anthor card yet though.

Anyone else had any issues with credit cards before? (I know it isn't my actualy card nto being good cause I have used it sense then at other places)

Originally posted by Sixfeetunder

 Set

So you think I should transfer? Guess my next question would be - is the other server my toons on kinda dead now or something?

I'm  gonna be re-trying the game.

I was wondering, my toons are currently on Wiccana server; is that still a popular server? or shoudl I use the free transfer to one of the other listed PvE servers?

Originally posted by Palebane

I hope it doesn't die. The players that migrate from WoW to the new MMOs totally ruin the new ones. WoW players try to play every MMO like it's WoW, and when its different they cry and whine until the devs change it to WoW.

Case in point:  AoC has some of the freshest most unique combat in any MMO. There was huge potential for it to be THE pvp mmo. But what happened? Nobody participated in PvP outside of low-level ganking because there were no item rewards for it. Instanced PvP was completely non existant.

Case in point: WAR offers 5 scenarios (BGs) in tier 3. Guess how many get played. One. Just like WoW. Players didn't even set foot in the RvR lakes because there was no item rewards.  Now that they give players a RvR grind for item rewards, all the retards and their mothers are in the RvR lakes, completely abandoning the scenarios.

Players from WoW are only interested in the easiest fastest way to level up their stats. That's all they care about. I want them to stay in WoW, so therefore I hope it never dies.

Not everyone is like that - so please take your steroe-typing elsewhere...

I don't care bout only leveling as quick as I can and only getting items. Yes; it's nice to get something for your time - but I actualy spend about 60-70% of my WoW time helping others.

And when it Comes to PvP-related things -- I usualy don't do any PvP stuff; weather there are items/rewards or not. I don't like PvP and I'm nto any good at it.

Granted there are several people that have the whole "me, me, me" mentality - I have faced several of those; even in the guild I'm a part of - but by no means is everyone like that. And I hate when peopel generalize EVERY WoW player like that. Juts dumb.

But, every game has those type of people anyways in it. No matter whom it caters to - or gaming style.

I love the game and wish it to go on for a long time to come.

Weather people wanna admit it or not - over all World of Warcraft is a great game.

It may not be the best around - but what game is. Besides, that's the joy of there being so many different games and game designers out there. Everyone has different ideas and plans for games.

Yeah, Avast is good but certainly will cath some things as "faluse-positives".

It one time suddenl;y poped up saying that a file with WoW was a Virus. Turned out it was false-postive -- several people had the problem; they sent info to Avast and got he definition files updated. About a week later - the same thing happened again.

As many have posted; it all comes down to opinions.

Personally I like both Guild Wars and WoW; both great games in their own rights. Each has plusses, each have minueses - again, all based on my opinions.

But, to say WoW has a "problem" cause it takes so long to level to max level is kinda dumb. Personaly; I wouldn't like a game where u could  play for liek 2 hours and be almost max lvl.

One thing I kinda don't like bout Guild Wars - not too huge of a deal though - is the fact you cn only carry 8 abilities at a time on the skill/action bar. I wonder if they will keep it like that in Guild Wars 2 of maybe allow atleast two bars.

One real neat thing I do like about Guild Wars over WoW is the fact that any class can use anyt weapons/sheilds no matter what you lvl or abilities are. Of course if you have points in that weapon you'll do better at it.

But as other have stated it certainly is a game worth trying. Especialy if you can find the trilogy trail dvd.

 I have played it a couple different times now; not a bad game for the beginning areas - decent graphics as well.

One thing that was hard for me to get used to after playing games similar to WoW and such; is the fact your "mana" doesn't auto-replinish which in the "instanced" parts. you have to either rest at a shire  - wich if there is only one shrine liek thing u can only rest one time; or u have to leave the instance/mission area and then go back in.

Other than that; I think if you jst want something else to give a try; I recomend it.

But it for a few bucks, you'll get a month free to try ti out.

Been deciding between trying this game again, eve, or everquest 2; lol. I'm playing and liking WoW but I have always kinda wanted to have two different pay-for games going - isntead of just WoW and a few free games.

I don't need any invites now - just got four of them sense i posted a few hours ago... lol

Could I get a 21-day invite? I had tried this game a while back but wanna give it a second go.

I had an account but it's been so long since I had played it I wasn't sure if I wanted to use the same account or just start fresh.

email is jonathon.myrick@gmail.com