I don't know if D3 is coming out this year. Here's to hoping.

Anybody have any more information? I assume we'll learn more from Blizzcon.

Originally posted by Admin

If this were to happen again just email our support.  You can even claim it to end the redirects and then we can disqual you later and draw another winner.

We will look into improving the logic in this - although please understand that your situation is rare as most people claim what they won

I understand. I didn't mean to be so snarky. Sorry about that.

This is an incredibly rare find.

As important as it is to the educated world, I doubt it will mean much to those who already make a practice of decieving themselves.

Edit: It doesn't look like it's a 'missing link' (as much as I hate that term, as it implies there's something missing) insomuch as it is a blatant transitional species. In any case, it's just another pebble on the mountain of evolution evidence.

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by Tykero

Originally posted by Katilla

erase your credit card info from thier site, and give your acct away, scince obviously you are not going to play seeing as you don't want a free month.....

 

Surprise: I don't have a Spellborn account, and I never have. I'm not interested in the game.

 

That's why I'm not accepting the free month.

 

Thinking before you post is cool.

He just posted a suggestion, you never said if you had or hadn't played the game or not, I would of assumed the same thing. And from the looks of it, if you really want someone else to get some use out of it, that might be the only way at the present time? It doesn't take long to create one of the game accounts and it seems a little more productive.

His suggestion would be appreciated if it didn't come across as sarcastic and superior, despite being flat out absurd in the first place (why would I not accept a free month for a game if I played it?). This is a basic logical deduction one should make before making such a post.

Further, if you don't accept your prize after a little over a day, the prize is rolled for again and given to somebody else. In fact, it already has been I believe. I was merely suggesting an improvement to the site (the point of this forum).

Originally posted by Zinfacter

Personally, I wish they'd stay out of the MMO market from now on. They're destroying the genre.

World of Warcraft single-handedly made the genre mainstream.

They are far from 'destroying' the genre. The barrier of entry is extremely high due to WoW's success, but if anything, that just means that games require more quality to succeed.

Originally posted by Katilla

erase your credit card info from thier site, and give your acct away, scince obviously you are not going to play seeing as you don't want a free month.....

Surprise: I don't have a Spellborn account, and I never have. I'm not interested in the game.

That's why I'm not accepting the free month.

Thinking before you post is cool.

When playing Aion, if my character was moving, my hair reacted as one might expect. It was actually quite nice to be sitting on a traveling platform, completely still, and seeing my hair react as one would expect (it 'blew' opposite to the direction I was moving).

Considering the massive number of hair options (and indeed, character creation options in general) it's fairly impressive that they took the time to ensure that the hair animated in the way it did.

It's a little thing, but when all these little things come together, it just makes the game feel good to play.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Claim it and be done with it.  Seems like the easy way out to me.

 

And let the free month that I'm not going to use go to waste?

No, I'd rather endure and let somebody interested in the game have a theoretical shot at it.

I won something, but I'm not claiming it because I wouldn't use it (the Chronicles of the Spellborn free month) and would rather see it be redrawn for somebody else.

Unfortunately, I'm getting periodically redirected to the contest page telling me, for the fiftieth time, that I've won and should claim my prize.

Can we have an option to disable this, or a slightly less annoying way of notifying people that they've won? Maybe limit the redirects to a certain number of times (I think I got the point on the first one, to be quite honest).

Sorry to pester, keep up the good work.

Edit: Upon posting this, I was redirected to the contest page.

Originally posted by sanedor

What is taking this game so long to open up for the west ?  don't give me that crap about getting the language right , that would take 20 people a month to get it done. i think more then likly they are finished and just don't care how long it takes to open up in the west. i would almost guess we don't see this untul next year and the rest have the first expansion out .Then we may get our shot..

Yes, I'm sure NCsoft just doesn't care about the large profit potential that is the western market. They're just dicking around because they feel like it.

No, really, in actuality, you haven't got a clue what goes into a proper translation. It is not a simple matter of changing words to words -- the actual meaning has to be interpreted, altered, and localized. For millions of lines of text.

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Tykero

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Tykero

 

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Originally posted by Eronakis

 

I want to say two things here.
 
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?

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They're as much a cultural thing as they are a religious thing.

 

You used a computer, the product of the science you so blindly reject, to post that. Isn't that a little hypercritical(sic).

 

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Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.

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You sure seem to think you know everything.

 

No, you see, as a rational person, I do not claim to know everything.

I don't deny the possibility of a supernatural being. I simply see no reason to believe in one now.
As we learn more about the world, the supposed influence of gods decreases.
Ponder on that a bit.
 

 

I don't reject science at all. I reject evolution which is not science. Now, sir you put those words in my mouth that "I seem to think I know everything." I never claimed that nor said that. You don't see a reason to believe in a God because it does not suit your lifestyle. So, really, as we learn more about the world the influence of God decreases? Really? how? Can you think of any good reasons? Or are you going to post me another wiki link?

 

It's really sad that you can't address the facts presented.

 

Why is evolution not science? If you reject evolution, you must also reject the very principles of science, since it stands quite resolutely within them.

Do you honestly believe gods don't have a lesser percieved influence now than thousands of years ago? Really? Thunder, lightning, storms, natural disasters, death, birth, day and night, good fortune, bad luck, crop growth... I can go on. These things were all once believed to be influenced by god(s). Now we know better.

 

My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my lifestyle. Nice red herring, though.

 

 

Enjoy your ignorance. I'm not going to waste time replying to somebody so intellectually infantile.

I would, but it doesn't matter what I present. You would dismiss it anyways. You never presented proof of your claims either. Claiming you have more "intelligence" because we don't believe in the same thing. I am just going to stop there. A person who claims they have all of the intelligence sure doesn't have any common sense.

You would, but you can't. Because you don't have anything valid.

Here's some more evidence, since you seem to enjoy arbitrarily dismissing wikipedia.

http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/comdesc/

I didn't say I had 'all the intelligence.' Your reading comprehension apparently matches your logical capability.

I said you were intellectually infantile. In simpler terms: you are immature.

I said I was done before, but you've got quite the capability to irritate with brilliantly wrong information.

This will be my last post in this thread. It's too far gone at this point. I can only hope that you one day wake up.

Science and religion don't have to be exclusive.
 

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Tykero

 

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Originally posted by Eronakis

 

I want to say two things here.
 
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?

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They're as much a cultural thing as they are a religious thing.

 

You used a computer, the product of the science you so blindly reject, to post that. Isn't that a little hypercritical(sic).

 

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Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.

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You sure seem to think you know everything.

 

No, you see, as a rational person, I do not claim to know everything.

I don't deny the possibility of a supernatural being. I simply see no reason to believe in one now.
As we learn more about the world, the supposed influence of gods decreases.
Ponder on that a bit.
 

 

I don't reject science at all. I reject evolution which is not science. Now, sir you put those words in my mouth that "I seem to think I know everything." I never claimed that nor said that. You don't see a reason to believe in a God because it does not suit your lifestyle. So, really, as we learn more about the world the influence of God decreases? Really? how? Can you think of any good reasons? Or are you going to post me another wiki link?

It's really sad that you can't address the facts presented.

Why is evolution not science? If you reject evolution, you must also reject the very principles of science, since it stands quite resolutely within them.

Do you honestly believe gods don't have a lesser percieved influence now than thousands of years ago? Really? Thunder, lightning, storms, natural disasters, death, birth, day and night, good fortune, bad luck, crop growth... I can go on. These things were all once believed to be influenced by god(s). Now we know better.

My disbelief in the supernatural has nothing to do with my lifestyle. Nice red herring, though.

Enjoy your ignorance. I'm not going to waste time replying to somebody so intellectually infantile.

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Tykero

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Theres no point in even arguing.  There is so much more evidence supporting evolution over creationism, especially since creationism relies on belief in a supernatural power.

Those who believe in creationism will get left back, while the rest advance on.

 

 

What do I care, it's natural selection at it's finest.

 

Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No. 

 

Oh joy, circular logic.

 

Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution

 

Yes sir it is circular reasoning? Why? Because it takes faith for both sides =D And really you're going to post something from wikipedia?

See those little numbers in brackets at the end of statements? Click them. Wikipedia has citations that you're quite free to read if you have an issue with it.

It does not take faith to believe in evolution, and honestly I find it almost hilarious that people try to argue as such, as if that somehow makes their religious apprehensions more valid.

Evolution is supported by rigorous testing, evidence, and peer review. Religion requires mental gymnastics to accept.

There is no rationalization with evolution. There is no issue of interpretation.

If evolution, as a scientific theory, lacks evidence, or possesses valid contradictory evidence against it, it ceases being a scientific theory.

Since I did in fact provide the evidence for evolution that you claim does not exist, I'll take your lack of a real response to that as admission that you're simply here to waste time.

I find your most recent post quite telling.

Grow up, man.

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Originally posted by Eronakis

I want to say two things here.
 
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?

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You used a computer, the product of the science you so blindly reject, to post that. Isn't that a little hypercritical(sic).

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Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.

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No, you see, as a rational person, I do not claim to know everything.

I don't deny the possibility of a supernatural being. I simply see no reason to believe in one now.
As we learn more about the world, the supposed influence of gods decreases.
Ponder on that a bit.
 

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Sabiancym

Theres no point in even arguing.  There is so much more evidence supporting evolution over creationism, especially since creationism relies on belief in a supernatural power.

Those who believe in creationism will get left back, while the rest advance on.

 

 

What do I care, it's natural selection at it's finest.

 

Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No. 

Oh joy, circular logic.

Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution

[quote]Originally posted by Vhayne

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Originally posted by Tykero

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Originally posted by Vhayne

Tykero and Gameloading.......
If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same.  Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think.  The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution.  And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests.  They point directly to the Bible. 
I didn't believe either for a very long time.  I constantly questioned the existence of God.  The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God?
It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos.  I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me".  What I found was surprising.  I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time.  Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said.
Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. 
That is what those videos did for me. 
 
So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine.  It's only fair. 

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I hope you're joking.
 
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic.
There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
 
Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the biblical flood myth is just that -- a myth.
 
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.

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So can you explain to me how the Colorado River flowed UPHILL for millions of years to form the Grand Canyon?  Yes, there are areas along southern part of the river that are HIGHER in elevation than the areas in the north. 
Did you see the result of Mt. St. Helens?  Mudslides cutting a CANYON miles long that strangely looks very similar to the grand canyon, in mere hours. 

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  And hell, one thing I still don't understand with you atheists....why wouldn't you "want" to believe?  I mean, we're all going to die.  One of us is wrong in our beliefs.  But if I"m right, I'm going to to have an afterlife of hopefully bliss.  But if you're right, you're gonna die, lights out, that's it.  Nothing left.  Why try so hard to get people to believe that when they die, that's all there is.  Absolutely nothing.
Personally, I don't care who believes or who doesn't.  No, I'm not a very good Christian, and I never claim to be.  But I know how I would choose.  If I'm wrong, then WTF did I lose? 

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Further, the dogmatic religious are constantly on the front line for destroying scientific advancement, denying human rights, and overall hampering the advancement of humanity in general. I look forward to the day that we, as a race, grow out of depending on myth to give us answers and comfort.
 

Originally posted by Vhayne

Tykero and Gameloading.......

If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same.  Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think.  The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution.  And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests.  They point directly to the Bible. 

I didn't believe either for a very long time.  I constantly questioned the existence of God.  The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God?

It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos.  I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me".  What I found was surprising.  I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time.  Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said.

Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. 

That is what those videos did for me. 

 

So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine.  It's only fair. 

I hope you're joking.

Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic. A very substantial portion of his argument is completely based upon argument from ignorance. "Well, so science doesn't know this or that yet, but the bible says this, so the bible must be true."

There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.

Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the biblical flood myth is just that -- a myth.

The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.

Edit: There is no global conspiracy amongst scientists to brainwash everybody into believing in evolution.

Macroevolution is a direct result of microevolution. Even the slightest comprehension of genetic biology reveals why this is true.

The concepts of genetic biology (evolution) are applied daily to catch criminals (dna), determine paternity, diagnose diseases and disorders, track families, and more.

But, of course, when it comes to learning about the development of life on Earth, it's suddenly a gigantic conspiracy and completely baseless.

Do you even realize how idiotic that is?

To state that there is no evidence for evolution is to affirm that you are completely blind.

The dog didn't actually signal, which is the problem here I believe.

Unfortunately, he should have just let them search. When the police are willing to cheat the system to search you, they probably aren't going to respect the rest of your rights, either.

This is just a sign of why we need better training and documentation of police activities. In some places, police cruisers come equipped with cameras on the dash. I hope this practice becomes more common, as it protects both the citizens and police officers involved in most encounters.

Edit: I'm an atheist, and I just want to point out that saying that you don't particularly care what happens to a guy because he's a pastor is pretty immature.

Originally posted by outfctrl

Game,

This Biologist tends to disagree with you on Evolution.  He belives it was by chance.

LINK

Everyone believes in something different.  What is the truth??

The article summarizes what he says improperly.

He says "Genes organize and mutate by random chance..." which is true.

Evolution is not random chance, however. It is the result of the interaction between these random mutations and the system within they exist. When realized on the scale at which these things operate (a simply massive number of cells in a simply massive number of reproductions of a simply massive number of lifeforms) that evolution becomes quite determinant.

Originally posted by outfctrl

I have never forced my views or my faith on anyone.  Its just, I look around and there is so much order that I cannot believe it just happened.  Someone or something has had to organize it from the beginning of time.

Form the big bang to the primordial soup to human intelligence, it couldnt have just been a coincidence, it just couldnt.

That's fine, that's human. It's logically fallacious, but human.

It's important to realize the scale upon which the universe exists. Fourteen billion years is a lot of time. It's hard to wrap your head around even a billion years. Our planet has had about four and a half billion years for life to develop. We've only been here in our present form for a fraction of that, around 100,000 years.

We are complex, but there's nothing impossible or even unlikely about our development. We're here because we're here instead of somewhere else. The univers is massive, and has existed for a massive amount of time. Most things that are possible within the physical systems of the universe are likely going to occur. Humanity is more than probable.