So very true. I have left and come back 3-4x now. Played from release to the ED fiasco. Came back for COV. PLayed it through a couple times. Quit for a long stretch. Came back when VEATS were released. Got 1of each to 50, quit again.

It just gets so bloody repetative after a month or 2 of playing. After 4 lv50 heros and 4 lv50 villians, bleh. And the total lack of anything to do with level cap toons irritates me. Other than influence farming to fund new alts they just sit there collecting dust.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by QuinColds

Originally posted by Jenneroflok

Originally posted by Blodpls

Nah, personally I think it will spike high on sales and then dwindle quite a bit on subs, especially after WotLK arrives.

It's too much of a one trick pony.

 

I do not think it will happen with WoTLK,  I know alot of PvPers that are not happy about the idea of PVP armor or weapontry tied to both Regular PvP and the Arena.  Now this might now happen before launch, but the idea of it happening have friends of mine going back to Starwars Galaxies and Sony (Faint). I for one will not go back to wow now, I have experienced the WAR pvp set and their is no going back.

 

Its, funny. I'm browsing this and other War forums right now over that decision by Blizzard. I detest their duel in a box PVP and the desicion to make any and all PVP gear tied to it made me decide to cancel 2 accounts and start looking elsewhere.

 

Actually WOW has three ways to get PVP gear.. you get it from Arena, you get it from Battlegrounds and now you get it from Lake Wintergrasp (open world RvR)  Some of the best gear will require Arena ratings, some will require battleground tokens, and some will require you to win Lake Wintergrasp.

And to put in Warhammer's terms.  Yes, in WOW there are a few pieces that you can only get by winning in the Arena.  But isn' that the same as Warhammer.. Isn't Order going to be 'locked out' of the best pvp gear because they are losing on that server?   WOW, just like War, gives the best gear to players who win, but they give the losing side gear that is good enough to be competitive.

I can't wait for another month when not only is destruction steamrollong on most servers because of population imbalance, but they will also have better gear.  There is already a lot of QQ now, wait til then.

Perhaps you haven't been   following recent developments in Beta of Wrath. But ALL PVP gear, even the blue starter sets now require a combination of arena points and honor. In fact, the number of points needed would have an avg play on an avg team 2-4 months to get a starter PVP set.

Originally posted by Loke666

Well, since WAR isn't a RAID game it should work fine to play casually even though big sieging might be something you miss.

Try it out and see if you like it, if not Spellborn is releasing soon and might be worth a look too.

Yes, I realize War isn't   a raid game, and honestly its why it has my attention. I was planning on a more casual play style in WoW, doing mostly battle ground PVP. But the recent desicion by Blizzard has me looking elsewhere.

Will a person still be competitive in War RVR on a casual schedule?

Cool, thanks for the input.

How do you think this will play out at max level for character progression? After settting my game time to confrom to the guild raid schedule for a couple years, I'm just nervous above getting a character to max and then not getting anywhere with it on a casual time frame with a more erratic schedule.

Originally posted by Jenneroflok

Originally posted by Blodpls

Nah, personally I think it will spike high on sales and then dwindle quite a bit on subs, especially after WotLK arrives.

It's too much of a one trick pony.

 

I do not think it will happen with WoTLK,  I know alot of PvPers that are not happy about the idea of PVP armor or weapontry tied to both Regular PvP and the Arena.  Now this might now happen before launch, but the idea of it happening have friends of mine going back to Starwars Galaxies and Sony (Faint). I for one will not go back to wow now, I have experienced the WAR pvp set and their is no going back.

Its, funny. I'm browsing this and other War forums right now over that decision by Blizzard. I detest their duel in a box PVP and the desicion to make any and all PVP gear tied to it made me decide to cancel 2 accounts and start looking elsewhere.

After playing and raiding in WoW for the last couple years I'm looking for a game I can play more casually and still get something out of.

How does Warhammer stack up if you looking at playing say 12-15hrs or non scheduled time a week? Is there still a decent level of character progression if you are just hopping on now and again without adhereing to a set guild schedule?

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Forums...

Gross things mostly. The more I look at places like MMORPG or "Official" forums at other games...

The more I see the mob... the trash... the types of gamers no one wants in their guild or community.

Certainly there are good posts, good people, and good questions... it's why I wouldn't condone a complete obliteration of the population and a fresh start. One good person is enough.

But official forums? No.

Forums used to be something fans did to help foster a community. To collect like-minded people together who wanted to promote a game. Game-companies saw this and offered to host them for the players so that they didn't have to do it themselves.

That has changed. It is now a crib for babies to whine and give their complaints. Though quality community support and discussion still exists, the horrid amount of crying and complaining... the threats, the requests for nerfs...

the trash!

It is just more than anyone would ever want to manage. No... the day the community stopped policing itself is the day the "official" forums were no longer useful. This way Warhammer Alliance and other places can handle the trash and the devs can pick which forums they think help the game the most.

It is too costly and I never want to see an "Official" forum again.

While I agree with a lot of what you say, the lack of an official forum has me voting with my credit card already, as in not even buying the game.  While the AOC official forums were some of the worst I have ever seen, lurking on there showed me the game was not ready and I would wait 6 or 8 months before I bought it to give them time to work out the kinks. For people, and I think most long term MMO players, the first thing I do before buying a game is have a look at the feed back on the O forums and how the company handles the feed back, positve or negative. 

I hate the nerf this and that posts that show on a lot of forums. And mostly it is just crying. Because of this I usually stay away from "general" or class forums. Bug report forums, customer service forums, suggstion forums, and most specifically Realm forums are where I look. These tell me the stability of the game, how the company helps people with technical issues and what the community feels like in the realms.

With out these resources there is no way I am handing them my money.

While I don't think there is a chance in hell of a class action lawsuit winning in court. In a way I do wish it did. At what point is enough enough?

To quote this clown:

Originally posted by Flyte27

Originally posted by TdogSkal

I personally love raiding.  I love the team work required.  I love the challage.  I love knowing that I just help defeat something that could not be defeated by alot of players.

I love using Vent, it has made playing online games even better.  I hate typing when I am playing a game, it is faster and easier to just talk then to type.

Shrug, Raiding is always going to be apart of MMOs.  If you dont like to raid then dont raid but do not try and take raiding away from those who love raiding.

Everquest 1 was such a fun game and the main reason was the guild I was in and the raids we won.  Beating the Plane of Time was one of the best MMO moments in my MMO career.   Beating something that took that much work, that much effort, that much skill was just amazing and I will never forget.

I could careless about loot, loot means nothing to me.  Its all about working together with a group of people to reach a common goal.  Its all about the community aspect of MMOs that I love.  Raiding is apart of that.

I respect your opinion on raids and I respect that you do not like them but you also need to respect the fact that some gamers such as myself love raiding and Would hate to lose that part of MMOs.

 

I agree that it is a challenge to get that many people working together and it can be fun.  I also agree that it isn't about the loot.  Unfortunately it is about the loot in the end.  Thats why your run the place over and over and over at nausium.  I can see doing raids a few times, but most of the time you have to gear up to do the next raid area and that means you have to repeat doing the same thing over and over even though it is no longer the same challenge it was the first few times through. I never got through the PoP as it was to difficult for me and I didn't want to spend the time on it.  I do think PoT is a great acheivement, but only the first time you do it.  After that it just becomes repetition like anything else.  If raids were just one shot deals then it would be a lot of fun, but doing them over and over again isn't.

In the end that is what killed my raiding in WoW. I loved the teamwork and learning new bosses( wipes included) but for me, once that instance is beaten, I want to move on to the next. But what ends up happening in weeks and months of "farming" an instance so everyone can gear up for the next one. Not only that, but how many of the farming weeks the RNG screws you over and you get glowy sword of  yummy goodness for the 20th time that no one needs.

Case in point, the guild I was in had just killed Illidan when Sunwell came out. But when we were staring months of farming BT to gear up for the Brutallicus DPS gear check, well I just quit instead. 

As much as I detest the arena system in WoW. In the end it is the best system to keep people playing on a character advancement level. Being able to acrue points and spend them how and when you want on the item you want is just a better system than the RNG limited loot system in most games.

Originally posted by Dreamagram

Anybody having problems with volunteer moderators, or moderators at all, are those exact people who should get kicked off the forums right away.

A moderator's task is to weed out those who can't contribute in a mature manner, so that everybody else (the majority, in fact) can participate without being called idiots, haters, morons, fanbois, retards and the like, directly or indirectly. People who can't argue the topic constructively, but resort to personal insults or attacks, overly sarcastic comments, or just spamming the same fanboi or hater comments in every thread should simply be removed.

And when they are, or fear they might be, they come here to whine about nazi moderators, freedom of speech and "f*ing moderators/developers don't know sh* about making games and should be shot - I'll do it myself, what's their visitor address?" being "constructive feedback".

 

I don;t have an issue with volunteer mods in general.When I saw that some of the people chosen are, judging by their post history, in fact raving fanbois whose behavior at times is much worse the "trolls" for lack of a better word. Well, to this unhappy customer,  it smacks of FC cracking down on any negative feedback from the player base.

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by QuinColds

 I have been keeping an eye on the official forums, waiting to see when the PVP system, which was supposed to be in at release, comes into play

off topic

but current estimate is Early August for PVP enhancements

forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php

we expect some great feedback from the test live server in the next few weeks, enabling us to get them out during early August.

 

Yes, I read the post/letter from the lead Dev when it went up yesterday, sorry if you count me un-impressed. That is the third deadline move for what was billed to be one of THE reasons to play AOC.  To little to late. I just do not believe a word that Gaute guy spews anymore. His whole letter was empty political drivel. A whole lot of fluff, no meat.

I have to say, wow..just wow. I quit during my free month due to the enormous amount of bugs the new patches were bringing into that game. Funny thing is at release it ran way smoother than it does now.

Anyways, I have been keeping an eye on the official forums, waiting to see when the PVP system, which was supposed to be in at release, comes into play and to see if Funcom can actually ploish this turd up enough for me to come back.

Then I see this. IT is almost out of the realm of imagination. Forums flooded with irate players and their response if to take 5-10 of their most ardent fanboys and make them  community mods to censor the player base riot going on.

/double facepalm...

Any chance of me ever coming back was blown out the window with this move. Game aside, just seeing what this company is willing to do to stifle the bad word of mouth takes any hope I had for them.

Shady Shady company. I will never give tham  another dime of my money.

Honesty I think the reason there is some much discontent about AOC on the official and fan site forums is that people really care about the game. So many people want(ed) it to be great.  It was hyped to the gills and people bought into it. The flames on the forums are because they care, not the opposite. They WANT Funcom to fix the issues. They WANT the game to succeed.That combined with people pissed of that  a lot of features hyped and even on the retail box are not in game in any form at release has left a bad taste in alot of people's mouths.

It is a call to Funcom by the player base begging for them to get it right. If someone, and I include myself in this, plays a game, dislikes it and writes it off, they hit cancel and never say a thing. Some games I have tried after playing, my level of give a shit is so low I just leave. Never hit the forums, never say a world. Some I have tried and see huge potential but feel let down by execution, I will take the time to post on the O Forums hoping the Devs read, comprehend and fix so I don't just walk away.

IF all these titles meet their release dates, or even come close it will be a great thing. To long has there been little to no new quality MMOs realease.

That said, I think the game(s) that hold off on rushed releases to meet artificial or marketing inspired release dates will be the most popular. If there is one thing we have seen with the AOC release, people no longer are willing to accept unfinished games. Honestly, I think the biggest reason for the AOC unrest is the fact that the features hyped and even ON THE BOX are not in the game. To me that is completely false advertising boarding on fraud.  Not working quite right, expected. Some unforeseen bugs and balance fixes needed, expected.

But to release a retail box with all these fabulous features and then load up the game and they are not included is, as I said, Fraud. If I went down to BEst Buy and made picked out say a DVD player based on the features listed on the box, then   got it home and low and behold it actually didn't have those features, ya I would be returning it to the store, demanding my money back and probably never trust in that company again. Because it is a video game makes no difference in my mind. Its a consumer product. The ad features need to be in the game at launch.

Realistically, no one expects a game at launch to be bug free and polished like a 4 year old game. Some things do not come to light until a players base on mass  has at it. But to use AOC as an example. Unacceptable IMO.

So any insite into what the count down timer to July 27th on the Cyptic Site is for? The art work associated looks like it is from the now defunct Star Trek Online that Cryptic got the IP for back in March. So, anyone in the know, is July 27th the big day they reveal they are activly developing Star Trek online?

A hostorical based MMO I would give a shot no matter who made it. Say based on the Roman Empire or Fuedal China or as was rasied before Western or say Colonial America.

Interesting question, and due to the fact I recently left WoW and am in the market for a new MMO it is somthing I have been putting thought into recently.

First and formost, a new genre to play in. Fantasy is very played out for me and IMO the MMO market is saturated with Fantasy games. Sci-Fi based or something based on a timeframe in human history would be fantastic.

I want different ways to be succesful other than combat.. I want to choose the life I wish to lead in the game. Maybe I want to be monitarily or politically powerful instead of the guy with the flashiest sword and armor.

I want meaningful goals for guilds to work toward together. To use WoW for an example, outside of say raid progression or maybe trying to achieve a certain level of say arena gladiators, there is really nothing for a guild to work towards as a team. Even raid progression really means squat ( and yes I did more than my fair share of raiding.) Guild developed planets or cities or whatever. Starting/joining/leaving a guild needs to be a much more character defining decision and have more impact  on your characters life story.

Less instancing PVE and PVP. If there is one thing I will never understand about the current MMO mindset it is instancing. You get thousands of people online at the same time to interact in an online world, then stick them into little groups in instances.

A move awy from NPC mob dispensed loot/gear etc.  Having to say re run a raid over and over and over again to gear up a guild to move on is boring and old or having to run the same instance elevnty billion times looking for that one drop is mind numbing. I would much prefer a system where personal or guild crafting and professions plays a bigger if not exclusive role in the grand scheme of things.

Things I never want to see again.

1) the ability to change your name even for a cost. The ability to do so destroys the community. It makes it so your conduct in game means absolutly nothing as with $10, bang, any past transgressions are now wiped. It Leads to people being less than upstanding online citizens.

Having recently cancelled my WoW Subscription I feel both sides are right. WoW is a great game. Played for over 3 years. Offers a ton of things to do for pretty much every level of gamer from causal PVE to raider to PVP. I personally quit because I caught the carrot on the stick that I was looking for from it. Illidan went down. All three of my 70s are in gear more than what they need to make leveling to 80 failry trivial if I choose to buy the XPac. I also found that a lot of my in game freinds were moving on in droves for various reasons. Blizzard hit the home run with this game and for the most part do a fantatic job at delivering what people are looking for.

But that said , and being in the position of looking for something new, I wish WoW was not SOOOO dominant. There is really almost nothing out there to compare to WoW and everything new coming out is looking to directly compete with WoW. I am failry sick of fantsy myself but as that is the genre that WoW uses so it seems most of the other development houses are sticking with it and developing games for because of WoW's success.