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There are couple things to account for like hype level , initial dev costs , how many people have to be paid every month..ect.

A small team with a low budget I would say 40 ,000 - 50,000 would be a success. Its enough to keep everyone paid and maybe hire another dev or 2 with enough to sit on incase you need it or enough to start on significant add ons.

If its a large project with a ton of hype then no less than 300,000 IMO. A project like that could make it by on less but when its clear they were swinging for the fences it just doesnt seem like much. WAR , LoTRO , EQ2 , AoC would fit that mold.

So unless a dev team conists of 5 or so people then they would need more than 10,000 , 20,000 or even 30,000. Just to many bills and people needing to be paid to get by in reality. I mean the Darkfall guys bragged at one point on having 20+ devs and last I check they were around 15-20k paid players. If those 20+ devs are real then they much be getting paid bread crumbs. ( In reality they most likely have less than 10 real devs )

Originally posted by alacres

I'm a bit confused; I was under the impression that this first Torchlight wasn't even out yet (looks up at the est. release date). This can actually be played now? And if so, does it have a diablo 2-like multiplayer system? I've been playing D2 again and having a good time, and I'd love to have an alternative.


Edit: Ah nevermind, I should have did a little research first.

Ill answer anyways..

Yes its out.

No to MP. The reason they gave was because of the MMO that was coming. However seeing as how they are coming out with TL2 with Co Op tells me that was their plan all along. Hold out MP from the first to get people to pay for the second.

I bought the first but will not buy the second. I do not support liars or crappy games for that matter.

Originally posted by Amathe
Originally posted by Arcken

And for the record the reason I have such a great memory about camping the ghoulbane for 27 hours is the fact its not a soloable spawn. I had 20+ people that cycled through to help me as the hours wore on. Who wouldnt feel good about 20+ people gave enough of a darn about you to take time out of their day to do something nice for you?


This is an important point Arcken makes.  These were games where in order to succeed, you needed serious help from friends.  And in order to have those kind of friends, you had to be a helpful person to others and enjoy a good reputation.  The bonds between players were very strong in those days.  They also knew who the selfish doucebags were .... 


There are quite a lot of us who remember what is was like in the days when logging on meant, more often than not, doing something to help a friend or guildmate that day.  And on those occasions when a small army of folks showed up just to help you, it really was a moving experience.



Sorry but that isnt true at all.. People of a certain personality will attact others of the same personality whether its good or bad. Being helpful really has nothing to do with it when large guilds would camp these areas to gear out their members while effectievely being buttholes locking out everyone else. If you wanted to get anywhere in EQ1 you had to be part butthole and part suckup. Its that simple.

People were closed off in their ' circles " and noone else mattered because the people in their circles were only interested in improving the guild or whatever and thats why people joined them in the first place. The great comminuty only existed in peoples minds as if they were in some sort of large buttkissing match.

Only being 26 I still started out with text based games then I moved to to Graphical Muds like Drakkar and Kesmai ( which BTW offer much more than UO or even EQ as for as community , adventure and fun goes ). In fact no MMO even offers adventure or community outside a person own personal want to improve their character.

Originally posted by Razgul

that ranger pet movement looks ridiculous ...

I noticed that too.. The animation on dual wielding isnt much better.

So a ridiculously long grind , .0000000000000001% drop rates , deaths that wipe away an entires days worth of playtime and all sorts of other crap is now called " adventure "?

Get real folks.

Originally posted by Darkcrystal
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by EricDanie
Originally posted by Spiritof55

Giving no new release date = we have no idea what we are doing

By that logic then Blizzard has no idea of what they are doing with Cataclysm and Diablo 3, Arenanet has no idea of what they are doing with Guild Wars 2, etc.

Seriously? Blizzard can do it because they release good products.. These guys have nothing for anyone to look at and say " Its ok these guys can get it done because of XYZ ".

Have to say.. They got those who pre ordered good.

This game may never see the light of day.

 ROFL blizzard release was horrid what are you smoking...

1. No it wasnt.

2. Blizzard has made other games besides WoW.

3. Blizzards history speaks for themselves.

4. Move along.

Vanguard is pretty much dead.

EQ2 has some players but the majority are in the upper levels. It can be frustrating trying to play earlier levels.

I would recommend EQ E if not for the ridiculous caps.

I say stay away from both.

EQ2 probably would have been about the same as it is now..

Bad Engine

Bad Combat

Lack of variety on armors/ weapons / particles

Uninspiring world design

Classes to closely mirrored the other classes in the same archtype

The game is ugly in motion


Originally posted by EricDanie
Originally posted by Spiritof55

Giving no new release date = we have no idea what we are doing

By that logic then Blizzard has no idea of what they are doing with Cataclysm and Diablo 3, Arenanet has no idea of what they are doing with Guild Wars 2, etc.

Seriously? Blizzard can do it because they release good products.. These guys have nothing for anyone to look at and say " Its ok these guys can get it done because of XYZ ".

Have to say.. They got those who pre ordered good.

This game may never see the light of day.

EQ2 has always been sub par and it looks even worse in motion.

Not sure what the screenshots are supposed to show but I see the same thing I always have.. Terrible.

Looks fine to me. Much better than anything EQ2 offers.

I might try it.. I would never pay for EQ2 again so.. About the only way I would ever play the game again.

If that second shot of Freeport is real then I am impressed.. Just looking at it I can tell that a lot more thought and care went into the design than anything in EQ2 EVER.

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

Are you serious? lol... there are like 100x more MMOs on the market now (Failing or not) than there were in 2004. SO yes it grew... how more obvious can you get? Before WOW was released there was probably less than 1million  MMO Subscribers back then.



But how much of that can be contributed to WoW? If WoW never existed then the MMO genre would still be viewed as a no life nerd genre. Most of the MMOs that have come out since 2004 were because of the massive growth of WoW. 

So I will say No .. The population of MMO gamers is most likely about the same excluding WoW.

EQ2 < 200,000 NA / EU ( probably being generous )

LoTRO < 200,000 NA / EU ( probably below 100,000 honestly )

DAoC < 30,000 NA / EU ( pretty much dead )

WAR < 50,000 NA / EU ( pretty much dead )



Thanks. I stopped before going any further and I did not see the skip it button. I will look again.

According to DSLReports it looks like some reporter just misunderstood what was going on and jumped to conclusions.

Me to put a billing option on my account for the closed beta? Makes no sense at all.

Looks great to me.. Two of the best games ever made were in 2D in Kingdom of Drakkar and Legends of Kesmai. Was hoping that maybe a high res version of those games would come around.

Can you explain what plans you have as far as movement / animations / combat are concerned?


I did notice the phrase " if you arent hooked / having fun within the first minutes "..ect that I seem to recall hearing somewhere before. Was it someone at Blizzard? Cant remember.

If this is all they went to comicon for then they wasted their time and everyone elses.

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