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You don't control who gets in? You don't have direct contact with the tester? Closed beta is for advertising (Have you heard of NDAs?)? You've obviously never been involved in a closed beta or if you have, you've done the exact same thing you claim shitty testers do. A "closed beta" with only internal testers is called an alpha, which is a different step and done by all anyway. The only thing that can prevent a game, MMO or not, to be released without bugs is not releasing it. The "old style" of releasing games without bugs never existed, all games have shipped with bugs, the severity of which varying with the quality and amount of testing. It's just since the complexity of the games and the ability of players to communicate their experience has increased the bugs are more apparent. Not having a closed beta will only mean bugs that would've been caught in the process are now caught after the game has gone live and the paying customer is setting in. Having less testers instead of more reduces the chance of getting an obscure, hard to replicate and possibly game breaking bug reported. You also can't balance stuff like resource acquisition, drops or gathering as well as other nuances of the economy because they're not immediately apparent with a very limited population of internal testers that does not reflect the population after launch, so you will have to wait for it. There's a myriad of things. Look, I mean no offense to you or anyone else, but you're an intern in a indy project. It's obvious now why it shows naiveté. "The CoS team is currently comprised a small group of talented and experienced professionals from the game industry. Most of the team have 15 to 30 years experience in their field, and have shipped many titles into the marketplace." If this is true, ask them their opinion on closed beta, see if theirs match your opinion of closed beta being flawed and worthless and replaceable by internal testing. Or better yet, have them contribute to the thread. |
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Originally posted by TdogSkal
Seriously this is just stupid. You keep saying you will wait forver, and that it will release when everr its finished, jesus christ if the world worked like that then nothing would ever get accomplished or done. s0 when 215 comes and its not out, hey dont worry it will eb done when it sdone. get a grip on reality. It takes not even 10 mins to actually show something proper with fraps or anythign else. This game is a hoax, its not a game its a fuucking idea and nothing more. This game should actually be removed from this site. yeah nice ideas, but nothing to back it up. people keep saying each year, ah one 1 more yera wont hurt, that way they just take the piss simple as that. Like I said earlier. I know this is nothing more than a hoax, because 5 months till 2009 and they expect to launch with a few weeks beta LMAO. In house testing can only find so much, the rela bugs happen when hundreds of closed beta testers play and test, and then you need to keep refining things with new patches that need more testing, this buffons claims are beyond a joke. This person named Tasos is taking everyone for a joke, from his claim of over 150 FPs with 200 people on screen with a normal computer, LMAO, to beta for a few weeks another LMAO. bIGGEST HOAX OF A GAME IDEA of the centuary. iTS NOT A GAME ITS AND idea, NOTHING MORE.
Lol. Come on really? You are dumb. Closed beta doesn't help at all.... Look at the games that have closed betas, how many are finished and ready to go on release? yea closed beta is the end all be all for a game...... OMG closed beta cant last for only 5 months? Why not? Does close beta really help that much? Honesty? Vanguard? Age of Conan? WoW? PoTBS? Hellgate:London? I can keep going... All those had closed beta's... All those were still buggy as hell on release... GOOO CLOSED BETA. CLOSED BETA is a joke, it doesn't help a game all that much, yea it finds some bugs but not enough to make a huge difference. How about all the Single player games that dont have a closed beta, they all do internal testing and seem to put out better games then the MMORPG companies that do a closed beta. How can you sit there and say closed beta makes a huge difference and that internal testing cannot do what a closed beta can? How many MMORPGs have a closed beta? How many are still bugging as shit on release. Go back and find another reason to troll..... GOOD BYE
Are you serious? A single player game is in no way close to the same scope as a MMO. They're so different in scope that comparing testing policies on them is ridiculous. Some of the stuff that is prone to go wrong in an MMO (PvP balance, network issues, server stress, account issues, content balancing, unforeseen exploits) aren't even a factor in single player games. Though they sure could use closed beta, in an age where single player game complexity is up and by consequence the amount of bugs shipped, were it economically feasible to do so, but it isn't. Unlike a MMOG or a multiplayer oriented game where the client is of little value by itself, shipping out self-contained incomplete copies of your game is something most developers wouldn't dare to do, though some do. All it takes is one leak and suddenly the entire pirate scene has a copy of your game, and a buggy one to boot, whereas an NDA breach can't do nearly as much. You could, however, consider, the review builds sent to publications something of a closed beta, but they can never be on the same scope as MMOGs or mainly multiplayer games. And the good production value, polished console (or otherwise) games that are multiplayer oriented (ie. Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, etc) do actually have a closed beta, you just apparently never find out because you're not invited and they're not advertised. All MMOGs have/had a closed beta because it's necessary to iron out a lot of bugs. Even though according to you all MMOGs are launched full of bugs, they'd launch with far more bugs if they'd not gone through a closed beta. Closed beta is far from the reason why these games have bugs at launch, but very much the reason why they do not have even more. I particularly like your proposed answer to the evergrowing problem of buggy MMO launches, which is basically "Hey, let's cripple our testing capacity by limiting the beta periods and rely on internal testing disproportionally, it will be original which obviously supesedes dependability.". It shows the naiveté of someone who has never worked on the development of a game, or a software product. I'll just ask the following, why do you think internal testing is superior to closed beta, and why do you think they're mutually exclusive? |
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Originally posted by TdogSkal
Nobody knows what will happen if this game is anymore than someone practical joke, but we all know whats happening while its still not out, its gets flamed and called vaporware:). It will never get released so the flaming will continue forvever:). Is like those threads from 2003, 2005 etc etc, people saying this gaem is releasing soon, and all the trolls can die lol. Fact is this game is nothing more than a hoax simple as that. Fact !!!!! You can no more prove the game is a hoax then I can prove it is close to release. It is that simple. You can keep on saying its a hoax but the more you say the dumber you will look when it is released. It will be released, it is a given. A Publisher does not sign on without something to publish. it is that simple. Logic states that a game exists if a publisher signed on. Dont know how you dont understand that. Its like saying Ford has a new car coming out but no engine in it. It doesnt make sense.... If Ford is releaseing a new car, I can assume it has an engine in it. Their are always delays in any software development. ALWAYS. Look at WAR, it was said to release early this year, no sign of a release yet but I dont see the vaporware trolls over on the WAR forums. Oh but they have tons of video's and screenshots of gameplay. Yea and your point is? Darkfall has video's and screenshots too... Not as many but still has them. Yet Darkfall is subjected to all these useless trolls for unknown reasons. You need to understand that and move on.
Do you truly, honestly believe that the fact that they got a "publisher" (more on that later) somehow guarantees a release? I understand you have faith in the Aventurine staff, well, actually I don't really understand, but that's besides the point, but do you really believe that if a game gets a publisher that it will be released is automatically a given? See, there are loads of evidence to the contrary but I'd like to give you a chance to restate your opinion so that it more accurately reflects reality so I don't have to bother with pointing such evidence out. The fact that you compared WAR to Darkfall in terms of why is one called vaporware when the other isn't, however, leads me to believe you won't. And AVE is no video game publisher. They run a DVD/CD printing/replication/distribution business. This is not to say they wouldn't be successful at publishing this game, if a release were to ever happen, but that they're not a video game publisher should be obvious regardless of personal convictions. On a side note, I recently acquired some cans of shredded beef jerky, can anyone tell me how this is usually served or consumed? It differs in form quite a bit from the beef jerky I'm familiar with. |
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People who claim not everyone gets on the credits based on some importance criteria are talking out of their asses. As someone who works in the industry I can tell you that everyone even remotely involved with development gets credited, even if they were external contractors, unless they themselves opt out. It's a legal issue stemming from the 80's and the whole Atari/Activision debacle. Hell, there are usually special thanks sections to thank people not directly related to the whole development process.
If the games mentioned have credits, which they do, and he wasn't mentioned in any of them, which he isn't, then he wasn't anywhere close to working on those games. The real question is what the hell did he say that led the interviewer to believe he had. |
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Originally posted by huxflux2004
You mean that you still are not convinced that AVE is a great producer?
Clearly under these standards Newgrounds and AddictingGames.com rank as high up there as EA and Ubisoft as prime examples of video game publishers, no? This crap does more harm than good to your arguments, it'd be better just ignoring it altogether instead of touting them as proof of video game publishing expertise. |
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So DF had, in 2001, a licensed AAA quality industry proven engine and other middleware? |
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Originally posted by Zerocool032
AoC is alot more demanding on hardware than darkfall..
I guess this much is true since Darkfall doesn't demand anything from your hardware. As long as your computer can browse the internet and play videos you can have access to the whole Darkfall experience. |
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