Hey, great vids here. I like it very much that youre commenting on everything. Interesting.

Very nice, thanks !

Another question: How many pets can the squig herder have? I saw only 1 in official footage. Is this all or will there be any class that can have 2 or more pets at the same time?

edit: And how is it to play a squig herder? Like the hunter in WoW aka Boring shooting from distance and thats it?

Do you have actual beta videos to show? If someone has, please make them availeable, thanks :)

Originally posted by Kerith

Originally posted by Bonnafo

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if you haven't done it you might want to read the book Wikinomics -- pretty good read. I agree with what you said -- it's totally faszinating :)

Thanks for the tipp :)

Well, thing is: AOC is a MMORPG. MMORPGs imply the key principle of what the internet today is about, in fact it displays the direction our society is developing nowadays. Its all about participation, its all about interaction, its about masses, who - merged together - are more powerful than any big monopolist like company in the world. (ok I do idealize here a bit, but you get the point)

Now look at AOCs gameplay. Where does it encourage big groups? Where does it encourage big alliances? Where does it encourage real participation? Of course you got the sieges and everything, but it also is not deniable that they tend to be boring and broken. You have a single player like gameplay from level 1-20. After that it doesn't get much better.

On the other side you have Wikipedia, full user generated and administrated content. You have Blogs which are even able to manipulate googles search results (jjust look up "miserable failure"), hell countries like iran, china and others as well throw writers of blogs into the jail, because their messages are like weapons. Don't let me even begin with youtube...

Ok, this said, now take into consideration that there have been some MMORPG failures in the past, which made people angry. AOC is not the first disappointment in MMORPG history. Think about SWG, Archlord, Vanguard, well I won't go into that too much, people will know what I mean. Those failures have been AOC misfortune in a way. I won't go so far to say AOC was the last straw that broke the camels back ... but it goes into the right direction.

Now with that anger been adressed take it and put it together with the principle of the so called web 2.0 era. (I know this phrase has been used shamelessly for advertising by numerous companies, but you get it). The possibilities are there, to express your anger. You have blogs, you have forums, potcasts, videos. The platform is big enough for you to tell your opinion about the game. "So why don't use it? Don't let Funcom get away with it. Spread the message and let them go bancrupt once and forever."

In some more years a game such AOC won't get that much attention anymore, if it fails. Things will even out. When we are used to this whole system of communication, people will be more relaxed on such matters. Thats at least my opinion. But to clear things up, I don't really think its a bad thing what is now happening. I admit its sometimes a bit harsh, the complains we here at the moment aren't always justified. But all in all the whole thing just reflects that kind of changes we are experiencing since 5 years now or so. :)

Well, depends on the guild and on how long the players know each other. I experiences many dissapointements with my guild. First we had a big conflict during WoW time, where half of the people left. The "core members" though stayed together. And since the leader is one of the core members and I am managing website and database, we just lost some people, but it didn't effect management at all.

After that there was HG:L which also was a big disappointment to us. More people left, but still, some core members are around and I am sure the guild as it is won't be ever destroyed.

Well, then AOC came, the same happened, but this time, no one left. So we are still around as a guild as such, not playing any game at the moment, but the community is still there. I think we will be around, at least the core members will be (which are around 8 I would guess).

As for the Op's question what to play after AOC...Hmm its really difficult to tell. I think I'll buy Spore when its beeing released in september. Then I will maybe try TCoS. And maybe WAR...I always tend to buy the games when its too early. Same with AOC. I could have waited for the first reviews, but I just wanted to play somthing so I bought it ... Its really sad and it's a waste of money, too :)

twenty-four

//Edit: ahaaa you wanna know what I think about AOC? I feel pretty sorry that I spend 50 € for that crap of a game. I quit after level 20. Didn't even leave Tortage.

I also had fun with the game. Would like to resubb if it was worth it. I don't think so right now. But I'm glad the client is running more smoothly now, even though I bought a new rig, so it would run smooth anyway.

I quit after they implemented the AH because I saw no goal in reaching level cap. There wasn't anything to do besides of Open PvP.

Hope they gonna add new content and the new stuff they promised back then. All in all its a good game. But right now it has the same status like AOC, doesn't it? I mean content wise...nothing to do there on endlevel.

I admit I only had a level 20 char in AOC before I quit. But on the other side I try to not express my anger too much. As for WoW, played Beta, loved it. Played it after release and loved it. It was my first 3D mmorpg. After 2 years I quit because it got boring. But for these 2 years it was a hell lot of fun .

All these Failcom avatars make me laugh

It's not the question wether the forums destroyed the game (also its a funny thought) or not. Fact is, that without forums you would still sit before youre TV screen believing all the ads you see, buying a half-finished game, don't like it, get angry. But no where to go, to express your anger. No where to go to discuss the topic. Hell, without forums, the Internet wouldn't exist.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Hasselhoff is a huge star in Germany, I guess it must be a cultural thing.

I don't know where you get your informations. But your source is definetly wrong.

Knight Rider was big somewhere in the 90's, thats right.

That is right. USK gave it a red stamp, which basically means that it would've been almost blacklisted. But for the hype, I don't see this is the correct assumption. Not being hyped here doesn't mean the people would be fine with everything funcom delivers. There must be another answer to this. Maybe we just don't like to express our anger in such an offensive way, like in the other countries...who knows.

Yes, it got a 18+ here in the EU. So Pegi which is an EU constitution marked it as 18+. So I think this had no influence particulary on Germany. Spain is also in the EU, they must have that 18+ Pegi, too - don't they?

Well, I gues it is possible developing a game in 4 years. They just took about 3 years for the gfx and 1 year for the coding, at least thats what it looks like.

As a german mmorpg gamer I can tell you, I am very unpleased with AOC (in other words: I throwed into the trash). And I know enough other people who feel the same.

It is an interesting observation though. I cannot validate this at the moment, because I don't go to the aoc forums often. But if this is right, it would be interesting to know why we germans feel mainly different concerning AOC;)

Originally posted by Douhk

For the love of God and the sake of the quality of future MMOs, let this game die a horrible death. It would bring a great message to all future makers of MMOs that you can't paint crap yellow and call it gold.

QFT. This is the only power we have and it is the best weapon.

I lol'd