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Happy Birthday WoW, best mmo ever.

Originally posted by someforumguy

 

I edited the post you just quoted. Might want to check it again.

Im from the Netherlands, so now you can start flaming our liberal views (as if any Dutch citizen has the same opinion). We do understand free market and finance though and how to make a healthy economy last. We've grown over the oldschool evil communism vs righteous capitalism phobia a long time ago (if we ever suffered from that anyway). And just use whatever makes the most profit and growth on long term.

Well the wording of your statement was extremely vague and shows you don't know much about economics.

You said, "Seriously? If two companies make a deal about pricing they both can ask what they want. Construction companies are notorious for that concerning contracts."

Think your trying to point out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_one_price

So the market is always going to have to be forced to have price wars to stay in business. Now if two or more companies want to sell above market price then their will be an open spot for other buniness to sell their products equal to market price thus the companies selling above market price will defeat themselves in a price war.

Now a monoploy is something that I'm worried about with free market and their should be something down about it. M$ and Mac offer a unique product/service so they are not bound for competition from the market unless another company comes out with a popular handheld music device or operating system. I say give it time and other companies will release products/services for M$ and Mac to compete with.

Thanks for the link Avery (also you dx10 vids are awsome)

If you call yourself a gamer you would give AoC another unbiased try and see you like it. If you don't like it thats fine but give it a try first.

Originally posted by someforumguy

 

Oh, so you are just paranoid.

It has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with what works. My country doesnt waste money to bail out bad performing companies like the US now has to do on large scale. We prevent its necessary because our regulation seems to work better. Our companies get stimulated to think about long term profit, instead of short term by regulations.

The reason that those companies are suddenly failing in such a serious way, is because they are left unchecked. What you fail to understand is that companies are led by individuals, who if left unchecked can destroy their own company just by personal gain. If that company is an investment bank, or regular bank, its works like a domino stone. The US made us realise that the hard way.

Actually you just proved my point by not understanding that the crisis that the US is currently in, is because of unchecked short term profit strategies. Its the only reason why multinationals suddenly without apparent warning can fall like that.

GM was left "unchecked" but so wasn't Ford and their doing fine. Thats funny how your unchecked statement only applies to some companies, maybe because some companies are inefficient and they deserve to be taking down because of their low quality and high prices. So what your saying is your government would support a company that sucks, which would lower quality and raises prices across your market. Yea sound like a real free market to me.
 

Also what country are you from and hows your taxes?

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Hardly, a variable is something that changes. It is very easy to see, anticipate and plan for variables. And if you failed to plan ahead correctly, then you can fall back into typing out your response into chat, like MMO gamers and raid leaders had been doing for years before VOIP became standard.

 

So you plan for every single variable possible? BS.

 Let say your playing Eve Online, your telling me you have a macro for everyship type, gang numbers, which corp alliance, what to do, where to go, when to wait, and what modules to activate. You may of had a plan but what happens if you get ambushed?Lol your making yourself look like a fool. Get with the times and just do the practical thing instead of trying to be different. You can be dynamic and effecient with voip. While typing gives you the chance to be dynamic, it defenately uses more time and resources (click chat, type, enter) then voip (ptt, talk,ptt)

All I have been explaining is, by using proper planning you can alleviate some of those hurdles faced by using typing, and that VOIP is not the only practical solution to teamwork. And in some situations, typing can be quicker and perferable to talking. Look at old EQ's elaborate CH Chains, those were done via macroing and it worked well.

Give me an example that typing is faster then voip in current mmo's? (I wasn't around for the eq example)

Also "proper planing helps deal with some of those variable but not all of them.

Wait I thought their was a bot class in Aion?

Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi

Bad companies go away. All we need to do is let it happen. It's also very easy to sway the opinions of the very same gamers they target to speed that up. No need for the government. My bill of rights is free speech.

This guy understands the fundamentals of capitalism.

Originally posted by someforumguy

You still assume Im a socialist, eventhough I clearly showed Im not. My working example of health insurance companies is about private companies who make a profit. They actually are cheaper because of the competition. I never said government controlled free market, but regulation. The benefit is that everyone has a health insurance yes. Does the word 'everyone' now imply that im socialist again?

I never said that the government needs to run companies. The fact that you assume I did, just means you lack reading comprehension.

Very easy example. Leave banks unchecked/unregulated and they blow theirselves up on short term profit strategies. Which can be devastating for the economy. 

Government regulation doesnt have to rule our competition, it can even stimulate it whlie also preventing monopolies or business kartels. But those are probably just a good thing according to you, because they were smart and came out on the top. Your example just only works because of government regulation. Without it, those companies would make a deal about pricing and rule out any competition.

 

Make a deal about pricing and rule out any competition? Explain Please?

 I see where you liberals are afraid of a real free market, your afriad of competition and survival of the fittest. Goverment regulation start very mild but then the government starts "baliling out" private industries and then suddening a failing company (that should have fallen becasue of capitalism and it's ability to weed out ineffiecient companies) is now suddenly a tax burden that the public has to pay for. So now tax money (mine and yours) is now supporting an ineffecient company. So no my finicial freedom is being compromised because of the higher taxes. America is land of the free but yet I can't seem to get any finicial freedom for half of my paycheck.
 

Remember the governement is the same organziation who runs dmv's. They already have your business (your taxes) so why would they strive to impress you with a superior product/service?

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Hardly, a variable is something that changes. It is very easy to see, anticipate and plan for variables. And if you failed to plan ahead correctly, then you can fall back into typing out your response into chat, like MMO gamers and raid leaders had been doing for years before VOIP became standard.

So you plan for every single variable possible? BS.

 Let say your playing Eve Online, your telling me you have a macro for everyship type, gang numbers, which corp alliance, what to do, where to go, when to wait, and what modules to activate. You may of had a plan but what happens if you get ambushed?Lol your making yourself look like a fool. Get with the times and just do the practical thing instead of trying to be different. You can be dynamic and effecient with voip. While typing gives you the chance to be dynamic, it defenately uses more time and resources (click chat, type, enter) then voip (ptt, talk,ptt)

Originally posted by someforumguy

 

What has communism to do with this? Or hippies? I believe in capitlism, but not without government regulation. The unregulated type is able to destroy complete economies just for profit on short term base.

Its so bloody stupid that any government regulation of free market will automatically lead to communism.

If you do live in the US and wonder how its possible that many ppl cant even afford basic health assurance, while other 'capitalist' countries have no problem with that and can offer it a lot cheaper (with same quality of service), you might learn that not any government regulation is bad.

On topic : Try to stop thinking in black/white terms. Any consumer has rights and guarantees after purchasing a product/service. Also when the product 'is just a game' .

Typical liberal who doesn't understand capitalism. If company A charges $100 for product and company B charges $50 for same products who will get more business. Why would the government need to regulate when the whole idea of capitalism is competition.  Also why would you let an incompetant organization (the government) with no motivation (because they already have your tax money) to regulate private companies. I thought you liberals stood for freedom but you do the exact opposite when you try to regulate a private non-tax funded company. 

  Corporations have rights too. Just because the common man might be poor and weak  and the corps are rich and strong shouldn't make this a charity. Forcing anyone to "give up" their money ( whether rich or poor)is a voilation of their freedom.

Next up will have redistribution of wealth and government controlled market. Hmmm where else did they try that and I wonder if it worked?  

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Originally posted by Cyborg99

..., it is the only practical option to a teamwork based event that going to work (that or typing but typing is a pain when trying to fight a monster/player.) So maybe find yourself an mmo with solo aspects and play your own path. Their are many mmo you can solo and still enjoy most of the content.

I disagree completely. In fact, thinking and planning ahead will actually let you communicate faster via typing than voice chat. Macro your commands into easy button pushes, that way when you need to issue a command, push it once and its instantly broadcast to everyone.

 

So what happens when their's a variable and you need to change your plans? Do you have a macro for that?

 Look ask any gamer and they will agree that voip is more pratical and more efficient then typing.

Yes, actually. Thats where the "planning ahead" part comes from. 

VOIP is easier, and less hassle.That doesn't necessarily make it the fastest or only practical way of communication. VOIP has plenty of drawbacks itself, and its up to the leader to decide and train his followers on how he works.

You obviously don't understand what a variable is. Something that wasn't planned. 
 

I think you have mac user syndrom, Trying to be different just for the sake of being different. lol

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Cyborg99

 

The common man complains to much about "big scary corporations" being to greedy. Well maybe you poor people should have worked harder then you've been able to make the big bucks. I'm like Robin Hood's arch enemy, steal from the poor and buy services/products from the rich, man I love Capitalism. Someone need to stand up for whats right, I guess I'll do it.

 

To me you just sound like easy prey for any good functioning marketing department that sells hot air. There is a large shady area between the wooly-sock-wearing-let-share-everything-while-hugging-a-tree hippy and the ignorant consumer who believes 'higher price garantuees higher quality' . You make it sound as if its some simple for us or against us issue.

Last crisis showed that just any free market form is no guarantee for success. It can bite in your ass too. You are just too inexperienced to realise it.

Yea because communism works wonder........Capitilism and free market is far from perfect but it's the best option we have atm. Also I do my research before I buy a game so I know what i'm expecting when I purchase.

Also hippies are even lower then communist on my list.
 

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

Originally posted by Cyborg99

..., it is the only practical option to a teamwork based event that going to work (that or typing but typing is a pain when trying to fight a monster/player.) So maybe find yourself an mmo with solo aspects and play your own path. Their are many mmo you can solo and still enjoy most of the content.

I disagree completely. In fact, thinking and planning ahead will actually let you communicate faster via typing than voice chat. Macro your commands into easy button pushes, that way when you need to issue a command, push it once and its instantly broadcast to everyone.

So what happens when their's a variable and you need to change your plans? Do you have a macro for that?

 Look ask any gamer and they will agree that voip is more pratical and more efficient then typing.

My death of rp was either ritalin or girlfriends, can't really narrow down which on though.......

The Big Gaming Company Bill of Rights: (This does not apply to indie devs/companies)

Freedom to.......

1. Ignore the haters of "Big Greedy Corporations" and the abililty to brag about how much money we make.

2. Release a game "as is" without having to support the game for 9 millions years.

3. Ignore the haters of our customer support. It is not a magical system and customers will need to use some of thier brainpower to do basic steps to play a game.

4. Release generic theme park based games because that is what dominates the market and will make us the most money.

5. Use RMT to make more profit.

6. Use DRM to help fight piracy.

The common man complains to much about "big scary corporations" being to greedy. Well maybe you poor people should have worked harder then you've been able to make the big bucks. I'm like Robin Hood's arch enemy, steal from the poor and buy services/products from the rich, man I love Capitalism. Someone need to stand up for whats right, I guess I'll do it.

But at the end of the day the "common man" still has the upper hand. If they don't like the product/service then they won't buy it.

/Agreed, the most immersion breaking aspect of an mmo is the community and it's a shame because a great game can be destroyed by a horrible community. I find myslef thinking why do I play mmo if I don't like 99% of the communities and my answer is, bordom. Lol rather be doing something then nothing.

As for  the vent/ts communication requirement, while I do not like talking to wierd strangers, it is the only practical option to a teamwork based event that going to work (that or typing but typing is a pain when trying to fight a monster/player.) So maybe find yourself an mmo with solo aspects and play your own path. Their are many mmo you can solo and still enjoy most of the content.

Or just use speech recognition, say whatever, then push enter

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Woot, Congrats AO this should breathe new life back into your game, I know I will try it out after this goes live.

 

They've been working & talking about that engine for well over 3 years, it was supposed to launch in 2008, 2009, now we're in 2010 and all we have is a few screenshots.  I'm afraid it's already too late for AO, i tried to come back this year but it felt so empty now compared to when the game was in it's prime back in 2004-5.

Well if FC is implementing something as large as a gfx engine overhual you would think this is just one of the many improvements they'll be making (my assumption) so I will gladly give this game another try once they implement all of their improvements. If anybody has any info or a timeline of AO's future updates/expansions could you please post it here, ty.

I'm just excited to see a ground based scifi mmo being worked on and improved.

Originally posted by Interesting

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Anybody who agrees with this is a liberal and does not understand capitalism. Do your research and make a decsion and stick by it. It's your own fault for being unintelligent if you get burned

Go live in a communist country if you want to try to control the free market you hippies.

 

You are free on the limits of the law. Come back when you grasp that in a few years.

I didn't mention anything about breaking the law, I reccomend your practice your reading comprehension. /next

Woot, Congrats AO this should breathe new life back into your game, I know I will try it out after this goes live.