Originally posted by OnyxBMW

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Ithi

There is more than one thing that is attractive about this sort of dungeon:

1. My friends can join me in "my" story, and I can join them in "theirs", thus getting a different experience from the same dungeon, as I understand it.

2. The loot will be shared equally and will be designed to fit the players present.  A ranger will get loot to benefit a ranger, for instance.  No multiple runs just to get the piece you want, because the necro got the good one this time.

3. No competition for loot drops--in fact, no competition for anything.  I think this is one of the most compellingly great parts of GW2 overall.  The things that have made other MMOs a real pain to play--the loot and kill stealing, the camping, etc. ad nauseum--these things look to be a thing of the past in GW2 and in their dungeons.

We CAN all just get along!  What a concept!

4.  The same dungeon will never really be the same.  This is exciting to me!  Plus, there is STORY here, not just mindless mob killing.  Makes it mean something to do a dungeon, besides just picking up after dead beasties.

 

Really, REALLY looking forward to this game!

 That's fine and all but the reason for of those rinse repeate problems is that players have too much time to put into a game vs the time it takes to generate content.  With a progression/advancement system you either have to slow them down, build as fast as they consume or allow them to run into the end of content for a while.  Sure, you can add PVP and social activities into the mix to give the appearance of stuff to do but is that good enough?

 

I cannot possibly fathom why people want to endlessly throw their lives away doing the same thing they did last weak the next week, and then the week after that, and then the week after that, and then the week after that....and then the.....

 

And I'm not talking leveling in an MMO in general.  I'm talking just...the same dungeon.  Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ad naseum.  This isn't good game design.  "Forcing" people to play the same content over and over is not fun.  It's not interesting.  It's stupid.  People should be recoiling in fear over this idiotic game design, not actively preferring it over more intelligent and fun game design.  I mean, games are designed to be enjoyed, replayed to a degree, and then discarded for the next greatest game, with maybe a potential replay a couple months/years later.

 

To put it another way, would you, honestly, read a book, read up to chapter 7 of 10, then read chapter 8 three times in a row because you must before you go on to the next chapter, then go to chapter 9, which you will read 3 times in a row, and then chapter 10, which you will, again, read 3 times in a row, before you're allowed to read the sequel to the book?  That is the best analogy to explain the idiocy of the game design you think is most acceptable.

 

If you're worried about the community/guild interractions/etc, then play the game because it's fun.  If it's fun, people will stick around regardless of recycled content.  If it's not, ANet has done something wrong.  Either way, that's why you have alts, the down-leveling system, dungeons with unique gear sets in each one which you will run no less than 5 times for a complete set, and that's in explorable mode assuming GW2 uses the same armor system as GW1 (I haven't read otherwise, so just using it as an example) and, y'know, helping people, pvp, social activites, exploration...etc.   It sounds a lot more interesting than "And you will run this one dungeon no less than once every week for no less than 3 months.  And you will like it."

I would love a buddy key. loadingh game now. anychance you could pm me key?

Heard it will be up and running again after this weekend mate.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

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Mcafee always comes us with silly warnings, I ditched it myself.

Anyway, about aerrevan, I checked it out and have signed up for the beta. Looks like they have some great ideas that I hope they can pull off. I hope I get a beta invite, would love find some major bug for them. Ahhh, something new to get excited about.