Originally posted by Zorvan01

 

@OP:

There are already console games that cost  monthly to play. FFXI, Phantasy Star Universe, and Everquest Online Adventures for just a couple. And every one of them is outsold / outranked by it's PC counterpart.

Zorvan

FFXI , PSU, and EQA are games from PS2 and DC.

You can't compare the online services and popularity of multiplayer games on PS2 and DC with Playstation3 and XBOX360.

Lets wait for FFXIV or any monthly fee game on today's generation consoles and watch the results.

Even FPS games were not popular in the PS2/DC "age",  now this niche is stronger on consoles.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

 

QFT. Today all those modern games have a thin red line you can follow. I remember when you played Fallout where you only got a single line in you quest log with a name and city and thats it. Now that was gaming.

Well, Demon's Souls has no "thin red line you can follow".

Finally a game that has the production and beauty of  nowdays games and the challenge of old school gaming with originality.

http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/game-of-the-year/index.html?page=2

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-role-playing-gt-goty/60211

The real time but challenging and complex combat related to weapons variety would work well in a MMORPG, some of the multiplayer original ideas in Demon's Souls would be a nice addition to MMOs too.

Originally posted by Irish

 

 

When it comes to clunky melee animations, I think once you use the different types of weapons, you start getting a feel for the way they make your avatar move. As far as I've seen, if I die in Demon's Souls, I have no one to blame but myself. 

Exactly.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Also another question.

My Templar has a Triangle spell called Heal.

How does this work? I mean, like how do I recharge it and such? Do I gain new Spells?

How do I make these spells Stronger?

This is why you are not having a good result with rolls, you are playing as a Templar, you are a heavy armored knight...

Heal is a miracle not a spell, soon you will save/unlock NPCs that can teach you spells and miracles. You need to increase int and Magic for spells, and Faith for miracles.

To use it you need to equip your "Talisman of God " and then press the button assigned for the talisman (L1 or R1).

You can develop your character the way you want, the starter class is just a reference for lower levels.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by outfctrl

Is this for the PS3 only?

Yup, PS3 exclusive.
Amazing game in my opinion as well, PS3 bought us some great exclusives this year.

Damn, that sux.  Looks like a real challenging game.  I dont own a PS3.

 

Yes it is challenging, but it is a fair game too, play it with attention and tatics and you will go far.

It is a challenging and hardcore action/rpg but never unfair.

 

Well the game did send me Down and Hole and Off A Clif to my death, all because of clunky Melee Animations that effect my character, by making him move.

but still interesting game. Going to start Grinding, since I unlocked the lady that increase stats

Are you using a large weapon? The animatons are not clunky, to tell the truth, they are very realistic, with time you will lear how to "use" it without harm yourself.

If you hold block at the same time you release a "normal blow" the movement is less intense  and it is easier avoiding accidents.

Try to "fight" like a medieval warrior, don't try to emulate the combat of Ninja Gaiden or Devil May Cry.

If you pay attention to every step you make and all the hints (not only messages) and use the weapons/spells  adequate to your playstyle the game will be very "fair" with you.

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by outfctrl

Is this for the PS3 only?

Yup, PS3 exclusive.
Amazing game in my opinion as well, PS3 bought us some great exclusives this year.

Damn, that sux.  Looks like a real challenging game.  I dont own a PS3.

Yes it is challenging, but it is a fair game too, play it with attention and tatics and you will go far.

It is a challenging and hardcore action/rpg but never unfair.

Originally posted by tro44_1

This game is hard like crap!!!!!!

I need some help understanding some things. I just beat the first lvl which unlocks that lady that upgrades your stats.

But problem that iam having in the Friendly zone Nexes, is that the Blue Man keeps trying to attack me.

My R3 Button went off by mistake when I was sitting down on my bed, which my controler was on. And BOOM, my toon did a melee attack, and it hit the Blue guy. now he wont stop coming after me.

Kinda hard to upgrade stuff, when he is standing around, (AND THE GAME DOESNT PAUSE WHEN YOU GO INTO THESE MENUS, SO DIE AND YOU LOSE EVERYTHING)

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Also another problem iam having is, with the clunky controls. Iam still a bit confused about when to use Roll. From the videos of the skilled players, they seem to prefer Manually Dodging attacks, which I to find easier. But iam sure the Roll mechanic has some purpose.

 It just seems to clunky and slow, to try to roll out of oncoming attacks. Its not Ninja Ginen or something. These rolls are very slow compared to Ninja Gieden.

 

 

If you attacked the "Crestfallen Warrior" he will never stop, you will need to kill him.

If you want to keep all NPCs in Nexus alive and be able to listen Crestfallen Warrior´s story, start a new game. You just beat Phalanx, you are right at the beginning.

If you want to use rolls, avoid heavy armor and increase the compatible stats. Roll has some purpose if you are a fast and agile character, for heavy characters dodge and block are better.

Remember this game is similar to a MMO, everything you do is forever, if you loose an item or kill a friendly NPC, it is gone, there is no "checkpoints" and second chances in Demon's Souls...

A friendly advice, beware of Yurt the Silent Chief (no spoilers here, won't tell details) if you want to keep your NPCs alive!.

Originally posted by Demz2

Nope infact its pretey linear.  The only none linear RPG is morrowind, end of story.  Nothing beats it.  Dragon age RPG of the decade, my ass. 

Well, Dragon Age is superior than some of the last Bioware's releases and it is a good game for sure, but the hype the game has in some places (especially on this site) is huge.

In some other places Demon's Souls is getting more attention.

Demon's Souls has a "living world" some unique and very expressive online features and is probably the most challenging and unique game of the last years...

Best game of the year (2009) http://www.gamespot.com/best-of/game-of-the-year/index.html?page=2

Best RPG of the year (2009)  http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-role-playing-gt-goty/60211

Best new IP of the year (2009) http://www.gametrailers.com/video/best-new-gt-goty/60157 

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Originally posted by jayarte

 

... Elyos who stand for light, truth, societal order and embody the basically "good" qualities that most individuals/societies strive for. Players of this faction get to make a character who is usually either designated human (or elf), or, if not, definitely more human-looking. The character models on this side are usually more aesthetically pleasing and they typically start their adventuring in a lush, green, environment, usually a forest/woodland type landscape but flooded with lots of natural light.

...Asmodian are stuck with uglier characters (although actually in Alganon, again personally, I don't find that to be so. They are interesting and different in this game, rather than repulsive to me). The qualities of this faction (although not so much for Horde in WoW when one follows the lore even a little) tend towards darkness, destruction, chaos, anarchy etc etc. The player on the "dark" side starts their adventures in a darker environment (varies from game to game, but in my own experience this side never starts in a lush green forest).
 

 I would like to see moral complexity into MMOs and all kind of games...

But you are wrong about AION lore.

Everything you said about Asmodians and Elyos are not truth, you are wrong about Asmodians. The war between Elyos and Asmodians is not an example of good versus evil, there is nothing "evil" about them...

Anarchy, destruction, chaos are not compatible with the asmodian culture...

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Originally posted by Dana

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by Tolroc

 

Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.

Have you ever read Children of Hurin? It has incest, although the brother and sister did not know they were related. As you stated Tolkien did not have explicit sexual content. I'm not sure you're correct on his having issues with human desire. He was married and had children. I thought the lack of explicit sexual content has more to do with his morals and the time that he wrote his books.

 

 

It is an interesting subject Tolroc, I am not sure I can find some source for you now. But there are a couple of letters from Tolkien to his son that gives a good example about his view on desire and its destructive side. Not judging his personal view of course but this detail somehow explain some aspects in his work.

I did not read Children of Hurin it seems to be interesting I will look for it.

Isn't Children of Hurin the one his son assembled from his notes?

If so, it's possible that's why it's the one example of it in the guy's works.

Good point.

It is indeed possible.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

You can say it's against nature, I say nothing is against nature. Nature itself is the engine of all things around us in a world of physical and chemical causality

Exactly.

Originally posted by Yamota

 

From an evolutional perspective it is a death sentance for a heterosexual species to be homosexual for obvious reasons so not only is it immoral, in many cultures, but it is also evolutionary wrong.

This is what happens when random pseudo scientifc arguments are used.

See, your argument is limited and wrong.

One of the bigger issues among human race and evolution is superpopulation and lack of food.

A healthy society need that a percentage of the population to be sterile somehow. It doesn't matters if part of the species are homosexual, recluse, celibate or just don't want to have kids. Especially today as we live in a superpopulated world.

See, a society where everyone procreate is as bad as a society where no one procreate.

So, from an evolutional perspective we need a porcentage of homossexuals.

Yamota your arguments related to evolution, history, art and entertainment are offensively wrong, please keep your arguments limited to what you have knowledge.

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Originally posted by Tolroc

 

Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.

Have you ever read Children of Hurin? It has incest, although the brother and sister did not know they were related. As you stated Tolkien did not have explicit sexual content. I'm not sure you're correct on his having issues with human desire. He was married and had children. I thought the lack of explicit sexual content has more to do with his morals and the time that he wrote his books.

 

It is an interesting subject Tolroc, I am not sure I can find some source for you now. But there are a couple of letters from Tolkien to his son that gives a good example about his view on desire and its destructive side. Not judging his personal view of course but this detail somehow explain some aspects in his work.

I did not read Children of Hurin it seems to be interesting I will look for it.

Originally posted by Yamota

 

However the mindset that one would normally not expect sex in RPGs is actually still valid. It is only just recently that corporations has started to sneak in explicit sexual content into RPGs to sell more copies.

Not exactly.

Baldur's Gate 2 has it.

What changed from BG2 to DA is that now you have a gay option.

Techincally there is no explicit sexual content in both games.

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Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Umbral

 

Why not mix it with fantasy RPG?

There is sex on legends, myths and almost all human artistic creations.

Most of time it is there because it is related to the base of social relationships and desires.

If you want to avoid any creation related to sex, desire and human body you will avoid every Shakespeare's piece , Greek Mythology, most or art from Romantism,Classicism and Expressionism, movies from directors like David Lynch, Cronenberg, Tinto Brass, most of fictional creations related to horror etc

The idea that sex is "there" only to get more money is sometimes just an illusion.

Everything that is related to human will have sex on it, implicit or explicit.

Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.

So, in the end, the issue is not "sex on media, art and entertainment" but the lack of artistic knowledge, moral aspects and judgmental behavior most of repressed people has. And this kind of repressed behavior will always contribuit to the real sex industry not sexuality depicted as an human and expressive characterist.

I can use "you" as an example (based on your words). "You" (as the moralist one) Don´t want to see sex in a natural way depicted in games, books and movies, you want sex to be secretive or confined to "traditional pornography". What you expressed is the pure example of repression.

 

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Another liberal nutjob that calls me repressed. Just because I like porn to be in ehm I dont know, porn movies does not make me repressed. How is it secretive it is clearly visual to anyone that it is porn? It is the complete opposite of being secretive so that makes no sense what so ever.

However you seem to want to push porn on everyone by secretely putting it in other media where one does not expect it. Thus forcing your liberal and commercial view of sex on others. Hey newsflash for you, not everyone thinks that sex should be public, for some people (most I would say) it is something private

That is not being repressive, that is being private. You like to be public with your sexual urges then please, go ahead. But stfu about me being repressive when it is you who want to shove down commercial sex down everyones throats.

Also, are you comparing the works of Shakespear to two scantly cled lesbians having casual sex? I guess art and history has zero meaning to you and we are just animals to our sexual desires right?

And sex as base of relationships, yeah sexual relationships? You are some damaged person if you think that sex is the base of many social relationships.

And those of the things that you say I think is a complete fabrication. I dont mind sex in media as long as it is clearly specified that the media contains that. It is, again, rather you who want it to be hidden so that everyone are exposed to it.

Because if they want to watch a fantasy RPG and not have porn in it then they are repressed right? You damn liberals...

 

You can't technically call me a liberal ... anyway.

I didn't  say you are repressed, but your words feed repression. I don't care about you, I care about your arguments.

Do you really know the work of Shakespeare? You will find much more sexuality than most modern games, also check Titus Andronicus, you will find not only sexuality but all kind of "taboos". I am not comparing the depth of a game with Shakespeare art, just the sexual contente, remember, you are the one using just one "label" for sexual expression on art/entertainment.

There is much more sex in every Shakespeare work than you will ever find in Dragon Age.

By your definition the work of Klimt and Von Stuck would be porn too.

You are confusing human creations that have sex on it (as everything human) with comercial sex.

By your words it seems you just don't have much historic and cultural knowledge. As I said, art always expressed sexuality, entertainment is by no means "pure art" but it is natural to expect that it will also express human nature.

Just remember what William Blake said "  Art can never exist without naked beauty displayed. "

Sex will be public only if you want to see it, if you don't want, no one if forcing you to it. It can remain private to you, you just can't impose your decision among others. No one here is saying you should play Dragon Age your that you should expose your sexuality, you just can't judge, label or go "against" who prefer the other way.

If you don't want to see, play or watch anything with sex on it, feel free to it, the judgmental behavior is the issue.

And yes, sex is very important to every human relationship, sex is not only the coitus, but it express valours and the way someone connects to the opposite or to the same sex.

EDIT- Judgment is so present on you that you already are using an offensive and personal label on me, you call me "Another liberal nutjob " when I was polite talking to you. It is impossible to have a constructive argumentation with your attitude.

So, you have all your "arguments" against sexual exposition but are unable to respect someone who politely disagree with you? Don't tell me the "label" you used on me was a revenge for what I said when I mentioned repression...

This is just like "I want blood and violence but not exposed sex!"

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by Yamota

Well seeing as you are incapable of distinguishing between sex and sex in popular media then whats the point in discussing this?

If you feel sex is "part of human society" then please go ahead, make a movie of you and your gf having sex and release it to the public.

 

 I wasn't even talking about the game at that point, I was talking about discussing sex. I was not even talking about you either, touchy much?

Here's the thing. Sex being depicted shouldn't be a problem, biggest reason is you have the option to avoid it. People that don't want to see it, have the option to ignore it completely. You chose to make a deal out of it, which makes you no different then the writer. If you don't like sex in games, go play a game without it. People that do, will. Accept and move on.

As for the sex tape you suggested. Only if I can sell it at 18$ a dvd.

Obviously I can choose to not play it, or not play computer games at all, or go live in a cave and not speak to anyone... but that is not the point.

The point is that if I play a fantasy game I dont expect to find porn in it. In particular I dont expect the game to give me rewards in engaging in it. Why? Because I play games not for seeing porn but to play games.

When I want to watch porn, I watch porn. I dont see any point in mixing it with fantasy RPG.

Why not mix it with fantasy RPG?

There is sex on legends, myths and almost all human artistic creations.

Most of time it is there because it is related to the base of social relationships and desires.

If you want to avoid any creation related to sex, desire and human body you will avoid every Shakespeare's piece , Greek Mythology, most or art from Romantism,Classicism and Expressionism, movies from directors like David Lynch, Cronenberg, Tinto Brass, most of fictional creations related to horror etc

The idea that sex is "there" only to get more money is sometimes just an illusion.

Everything that is related to human will have sex on it, implicit or explicit.

Tolkien's work is one of the fill fantasy creations that has no sex (in a explicit way) just becouse the author had serious issues against human desire (you can search for it), even so you can find sexuality in his work.

So, in the end, the issue is not "sex on media, art and entertainment" but the lack of artistic knowledge, moral aspects and judgmental behavior most of repressed people has. And this kind of repressed behavior will always contribuit to the real sex industry not sexuality depicted as an human and expressive characterist.

I can use "you" as an example (based on your words). "You" (as the moralist one) Don´t want to see sex in a natural way depicted in games, books and movies, you want sex to be secretive or confined to "traditional pornography". What you expressed is the pure example of repression.

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Originally posted by tryklon

Originally posted by Legsbiter

I agree somehow agree with the OP.

I was hoping for something a lot better than that... I mean c'mon... They made Mass Effect and it rocked. Graphics were good, the story was good, the world was huge, etc. What have they done with DAO?

The graphics were also... terribad. And the game had EA sign on the box.

 

^ PS3 version

 

 

ahhh   ps3 version

 

you know what? get a xbox 360 or the pc version and throw that garbage away =P

There is something wrong here.

Dragon Age on the PS3 has better graphics than the 360 version.

It is not just an "opinion" you can check many comparisons in the internet.

When we talk about graphics and Dragon Age from the best to the worst version - PC-PS3-360.

As I said, you can find a lot of comparisons, textures are far better in the PS3 than in the 360 in this game.

About the topic, it is a good game but overhyped as almost all recent Bioware games.

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Originally posted by Cyborg99

 

Maybe your playing it wrong? Also

 Your opinion = 1 gamer

Wiki "opinions" = Millions of gamers

 

You getting the picture yet?

Yes I got the picture.

The valour of majority.

Of course Oblivion and Fallout 3 are the sandbox and RPGs of the majority.

... just like WoW...

But just like WoW is not enough for some players, Oblivion and especially Fallout 3 is not adequate for everyone. Even players who enjoy sandboxes.

But remember, if majority opinions would be equal to ultimate truth... well...I think you get it...

Originally posted by Cyborg99

 

So I can just say Eve online is a fantasy single player game. Then you say um no it's not heres a link. Then I can just say, Oh your not an expirienced gamer so you don't know. See how silly that makes you look?

Oh I see, I need to simplify... to hold your hand so you can understand. Now I get it.

See, I am not saying Oblivion and Fallout 3 are not "open ended rpg's".

What I am saying is, with the limited and casual game experience Fallout 3 has the openess, progression and sandbox aspects are lacking and to me, sometimes those details were just an illusion or just a small detail into its gameplay. While with some less casual open ended games I had much more feeling into the gameplay. The sandbox experience was much more intense even with some games not related to RPG, so I don't see Failout3 as a real sandbox game, it would need more depth to its "openess".

Is it enough?

You may say... "ooh, but to me, the casual open ended experience I had in Fallout 3 was enough" I am ok with it, but you do prefer to use "links"... you know how ironic it is if we take your first post in this thread right?

Originally posted by Cyborg99

 

Need someone to formulate an opinion, wtf? Get enough people together and that opinion turns into a fact.

So your saying that the majority of people are wrong and you are right or are you just ignoring facts?

You do have some real  issue to understand what is a player and personal experience, right?

Ok, lets try to forget all your flaming and arrogance ...when you can go check the non official Morrowind into Oblivion version, no hand helding.

Just a side note,  you said "Get enough people together and that opinion turns into a fact." ... I see...this is funny, all I can think about when I read this is ... well, nevermind.

Just a tip go get Gothic series, Morrowind, Fallout 1-2, Sacred you may like it and understand what I said. Maybe a player like you that doen't like linearity and hand helding ( and all the irony on it) may have some good time with these games.