Originally posted by Slineer

Originally posted by Comnitus

Originally posted by Oyjord

ANY kind of MT's/CS and I'm out.

 

Let me pay my $15/mo and leave it at that.  ANY tinkering beyond that is just  blatant corporate greed, and I refuse to be manipulated like that.  They're making plenty of gd money.

Is it the principle of the thing? Because I would be okay with cosmetic/fickle MT items. They're a nice option for the company to make a little extra cash (if they even need it, I highly doubt BioWare does) while the players benefit by looking cooler. But that's it... just looking cooler. You can't say, "BioWare manipulated me into buying the awesome purple Jedi robes (with no stat bonuses, of course) because they look so awesome, I just had to have them!"

 

 

I hate this arguement so much. Cosmetic cash shops are okay because they do not affect gameplay? The items developed for cosmetic cash shops come from the same monthly fee everyone is paying. They are not employing a new dev team to make cosmetic items. Anything in a cash shop for a game that requires a monthly fee has been developed by the same team supported by that monthly fee. Cosmetic or not, cash shops do not belong in a pay to play game.  Everyone is entitled to everything as they are paying for it already. 

Excellent point to quote you, "Cosmetic or not, cash shops do not belong in a pay to play game.  Everyone is entitled to everything as they are paying for it already."
 

This only makes any company that practices p2p + store only items (eventhough they are only cosmetic), as extremely greedy and unfair to their p2p subscribers.

Originally posted by wolfing

The problem I see is that it looks like it's EA's call on how to do it. You know... EA? The Sims EA?  Basically, we'll have add-ons every month that cost $10 (what used to be called 'updates' and were free in previous MMOs)

"... add-ons every month that cost $10 (what used to be called 'updates' and were free in previous MMOs)"

Couldn't have said it better!  Unfortunately this seems to be newest of trends to gauge as much money as they can... all this in less than profitable economic times.

Originally posted by Vyava

So the focus on the article is a FPS game with a product shot?

I swore I logged into MMORPG.com...hmmm...

I think he wrote this in respects to and perhaps as a hint to MMORPG devs. to take notice as the faction/racial/gameplay mechanics of AvP. 

Heck, taking AvP and working w/ that, I'm sure SEGA would one day make an MMORPG using the fps version as a base to start from.  Who knows.  Would be nice though. 

/shrugs

The only way they could get me to spend money w/ micro-transactions is if Bioware sold a Jawa playable character through the store (as I love Jawas).

But really don't do something like that Bioware!

Thanks for the nice write-up!  I might hit bestbuy and pick this one up.  The Alien is already appealing to me from what you wrote.

Eventhough the MMO version is said to be f2p when it comes out, I'll give this a go as I'm enjoying the single-player so much.  I like all the special effects like how magic and certain skills look.  Lots of detail to animation as well.

I want to play the NA version now!  Argh!  All this waiting is driving me nuts!

I've seen that argument before, and like the abortion issue, there seems to be no agreement.  Some say they have a right to buy gold if they have a tough time w/ time constraints due to job and family, while others say if you don't have the time to begin with why bother playing it?

Meh, there will never be a consensus on this.  And, honestly, I don't even know where I stand on this anymore.

/shrugs

Here are some interesting screenshots of what I think it a teaser for the Korean version's upcoming Tokoyo expansion.  Though I'm not sure as I don't speak nor read Korean.

DDO Eberon Unlimited has the true Bard... in the sense that it's based on the pen & paper Dungeons and Dragons rules/character class.

I like the dual weilding, Witcher-looking guy with the hat and feather.  Nice action pic.

I just want to farm bosses over and over and get diablo style ubber lootz... and play as a Jawa.

If the summoner class is as powerful as the Hellgate summoner, who could take on all the bosses solo, then I'll give FF14's summoner a go.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by Sanguinelust

STO LIFETIME PERKS

In-Game Title
Visibly show off your support.

 

The title should be "Sucker".

I'm used to hardcore mode in D2 and Hellgate... not sure what's more harsher than loosing your max'd level toon, along w/ your stored items and money... 0 HP = poof all gone!

Originally posted by SweetZoid

Omfg i hate korea,they fail at every game and they always have to play it first. Why cant all the others play it aswell?

 

The changes looks nice and i will start play it again. Like that they are addign 2-hand weapons! and new guns and armors.

I've been dying to try out the new summoner Darkforce skill, and the Engineer's new spiderbots myself.  I can't wait I tell ya!!

I just don't want to be stuck in yet another mmo where I'm typing "LFG blah, blah, blah need if tank, blah blah, pst,blah blah" for like 2 hours... then logging off in disgust.  Honestly I join mmo's for party play.  Also, Bioware better make a playable Jawa race!

Originally posted by loves2play

Cool info, thanx... good thing Namco finally stopped sitting on the rights to the IP.  I hope the NA region is rereleased soon.

Been to a few sites, and some say some time this year, while others say some time in 2011 for NA regions.  Wish I knew for sure. Regardless of my distaste for the item shop, no other game that satisfies the diablo loot-whores, the rpg toon builders, and the fps action crowd quite like HGL.  And, those are 3 reasons why I'll return to it.

Originally posted by olepi

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by olepi

Yes, you bought a game. The game is delivered electronically. You received the game and played it. Based on your experience, you decided to buy the game. You were delivered the game. So you should not be able to charge-back the game itself.

Now you also ordered some material items, and they were not delivered. You are justified in asking for a refund for those items.

 

 

Huh?  Maybe you misunderstand.  I preordered the game when there was no open beta.. and just a few closed testers.  I was in group A of the pre-orders... the only info we had was the powerpoint which looked great (and still does!).  Besides the point... I'm not going to debate legalities with you as it's been done before... as I suggested.. please use search.

 

 

Now we are getting to the fun part :)

You pre-ordered (what does that actually mean?) based on what you imagined the future to be. Why would you do that, put actual money up? Is it because you felt the thrill of getting in on something early?  The risk?

So take the risk. If you want to put money up for a "pre-order" then take the actual risk. Pay the money you said you would.

@slapshot:  you've more than explained yourself on various occassions, and all quite reasonably.  Slapshot, I'm satisfied w/ your explanations.
 

@olepi:  I'm not sure what your intent is, but it seems you want to argue in a circular fasion w/out actually getting to the point.  Honestly I don't know wether you're sincere or arguing just to argue, but frankly it's getting quite annoying.

Originally posted by olepi

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

Originally posted by olepi

It does seem kind of odd, all this haste to pay for something and then want to charge it back. I won't buy anything unless I know what I am buying.

And some on MMORPG.com seem to make a career out of bashing this game, and have a zero rating as a result, after they were banned for charge-back. I would hope that their accounts are disabled for the game.

It happened on STO too; lots of people trying to uncharge their sale. Seems weird to me, actually.

 

When you order something in July... that is supposed to be sent in Sept.. and it comes to the end of December and you haven't received it or received an email from the company about a delay.. you tend to start worrying.  At this point, like most people I tried to contact them on multiple occassions to get an update.  I never got a response..

 

I think at that point it's perfectly resonable to ask for a refund... and when no response is received from the company (again) to pursue it through your card company.

 

I don't see anything even slightly "weird" about that... /shrug

 

 

Well, just to be clear, you always had access to the game. You could always form an impression of the actual game, and buy it or not. You bought it.

What you are complaining about is the little figurines and bag, that have nothing to do with the actual game. You are correct there, the supplier of these items fell behind, and you got them late. Their communication could have been better, of course.

What I find "weird" is that people will pay for a game, MO or STO, up front, and then later they want to "charge it back". It is almost becoming a new norm.

Just to chime in here... I agree it's becoming a "new norm" as you put it, but that could also be due to more and more companies puting out product, or even open beta before it's ready.  To me it just seems like as of lately more mmo's are coming to open beta "buggier" and less polished.  Just my opinion.