Only Raph Koster can save this industry!

Say what you will, but the man knows his sh!t when it comes to mmorpgs. This is a guy who got it right on at least two projects (UO and SWG) only to have the powers tha be p!ss all over his works....Dumb them down to "chimp speed"...and then blame him when it fails. I can only hope he is working on another project. I grow tired of the same old sh!t day after day!

It's time to bring this guy back and give him about $400 million to build a real game. Everything out there sucksballz right now. Come on Raph! step to the plate one last time my brotha! Everything you touch turns to gold my friend! It's time to work the magic one more time!

Just a thought....

How many former STAR WARS GALAXIES developers now work at BiOWARE? here is why I ask...Why not give the Players the best of both worlds? Why not make a new game that has the option of a great STORY DRIVEN approach and combine it with all the best elements of the pre-CU SWG SANDBOX game? Here is why I think it could be very possible that the BiOWARE / LUCAS ARTS secret project could be just that

1) I have been hearing rumors that in 2006, The BiOWARE CORP recruited a number of former SWG game programers and development staff. They did this about the same time LUCAS ARTS and BiOWARE went into business with each other.

2) If it is true that parts of the original SWG DEV TEAM were picked up, then it is very possible that the "SECRET PROJECT" is not only a STAR WARS game, but it also could be quite like the old Pre-CU set up. A pre-CU game with the BiOWARE signature STORY TELLING approach.

If BiOWARE intended to create a typical BiOWARE product, why not keep all the tallent in house? It's one thing to go after game developers to help with the increased workload, but what makes SWG DEVs so special? Let's say for a moment I wanted to recreate certain elements of the original SWG game. Who better to bring in than the people who made the first one? If my goal was to make a SWG 2...these are the people I would want helping me.

This is why I think the typical BiOWARE game may not be a lock at this point. It is very possible the LUCAS ARTS is going after the HARDCORE former SWG players. It is possible that LUCAS ARTS is happy to get 250k to 500k in SUBs.

Think about it...those 300k formor players were very loyal to the pre-CU game. As long as they had the old game intact, they were in for the long haul. You could count on their sub fees for years on end. It's also important to point out that many of those hardcore players had multiple accounts. I know I had (3) three and many in my guild had (2) two or more. I don't care what you say, THAT IS DAMN GOOD MONEY.

What  LUCAS ARTS and BiOWARE need to understand is that WoW is a freak accident that won't be repeated. The truth is WoWs sub numbers are down and many players are looking for something that requires a bit more thought to play. People want a challenge and a great SANDBOX STAR WARS game could meet those needs.

If you want WoW numbers than you must give players something they can't get from WoW. Give the people a game in which you have all the WoW elements that make it appealing to the typical WoW Player base. But then take it a step further by adding.....

1) A Skill based system

2) No levels

3) Player Housing and Cites

4) The Great BiOWARE story telling engine

5) DX10 grade Graphics that look more real than cartoon

6) Let People have the option to living out their own adventures

7) Open Planets with few or NO instancing

8) Real Deep Space with ship combat Like EVE only with full interiors

9)"EUPHORIA " Driven NPCs with super Ai

10) Player Driven Economy with ITEM DECAY

11) Complex Crafting...the best items in the game come from Crafters.

12) Best items and components needed by crafters come from PVE and RAIDING.

If LUCAS ARTS and BiOWARE really want to knock WoW on thier ass, then they must do something different. If players want a WoW like game...THE WILL GO PLAY WoW! Why would players leave WoW to go to another game just like it? THEY WON'T...why leave when you already have an established toon on a game you already like and have paid for?

Give us what we want....The best elements of all the games we love!

Originally posted by Sunrider

in all honesty... i'm tired of waiting for a new star wars mmorpg... at this point i'm hoping for something different. really i have some high hopes for a mass effect MMO or something to that degree.

iuno... so much hoping over the years has burnt me out to it.

It's kinda like the Pepsi Company shipping a can of Coke in ever six pack and picking up the tab to make that happen. I can tell you now, if LUCAS ARTS is involved it will NOT be a MASS EFFECT game.

Originally posted by Obee

 

Originally posted by Force_Fire

 I would play it if....

1) PC only

2) Pre-CU / CU Rule set

3) Sandbox Gameplay

What we see above is for the DS and Wii

 

If that is your requirements to play a future Star Wars MMO, you'll never play another Star Wars MMO, outside of the flightless bird, but even that is getting a few extra feathers.

The next Star Wars MMORPG will not be a sandbox game.  There is no way LEC is going to gamble the license on something too far away from the WoW model.  It will be hard for the game to be worse than the current NGEtastic version, but it isn't going to replace the original version of the game.

Unfortunately, the next Star Wars MMO is going to be much more successful than SWG ever was, just due to the fact that WoW has made MMOs much more acceptable (when SWG launched, the general concensus among Star Wars fans was that they wouldn't consider paying a monthly fee to play a video game, WoW has made it much more acceptable among non-hardcore gamers).  This will make the folks in charge of LEC believe that the original SWG didn't do as well as expected because of the game mechanics.  The worst case scenerio of this will be that they will think the morons at SOE were actually right, as far as their reasoning for the NGE, and it might make them much more open to letting SOE mangle another of LEC's IPs.

 

Well to be fair, I would give any Star Wars mmorpg a shot. Just cause I love SW. If it sucked out loud, well I guess I would simply move on.

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

Originally posted by tkreep

Here is the link to the movie trailer website

http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/

I've known about the film for months now...I own the original cartoon DVD...There is no bigger fan of SW than ME! I know what it is you speak of. Buit the TV and Movies CWs isn't what this thread is about. It's about a SW GAME.

My feeling is this movie will be as big as the "SHRIEK" franchise

Originally posted by skamper

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

Originally posted by JestorRodo

  Well , you are peaching to the choir in my case for the most part. Although I agree that KOTOR3 is going to be an impressive alternative to the ailing NGEof SWG I would not consider it a replacement as far as the fact that the era of KOTOR is only familar to gamers and readers of related novels. 

The Star Wars MMO that would need to replace SWG would have to be one that is within the timeperiod of the six movies (like SWG)  to obtain the much larger Star Wars audience  like the rumored MMO to run concurrent with the new series. Now that would be the NGE killer.

 

 

Agree...

But do you really think there is room for two such mmorpgs in this market? Also a more "adult" audience would seem a bit more stable from a biz prospective. I think game with good depth and complexity do far better if there is plenty of rich new content from time to time.  I know seeking a broad range of people is key to success...but....what about a game that does just that?

1) all the depth and complexity of the Pre-CU game

2) all the PVE / Raiding content of WOW

3) All the social and sandbox play of the Pre-CU game (player run economy and cities,ect)

4) No Classes

5) No levels

6) Be who and what you want to be!

7) create your own story

8) Space combat like EVE only with ship interiors

WHY NOT TAKE ALL THE BEST FEATURES FROM MANY MMORPGS and COMBINE THEM INTO A SINGLE SUPER-GAME?

 

I'm not a very big fan of the star wars series at all, but if I saw all of those placed into one game you bet I'd play it (at a fair 15 a month price). Something has really been lacking in a lot of mmorpgs lately. I don't know if it's depth, story, freedom, or even roleplay.

A bit compelled to agree

Originally posted by namelessbob

 

Originally posted by therain93

They didn't rule out a Willow mmo either!!

 

They haven't ruled out Loom either!!!!

Honestly, why would anyone make a WILLOW mmorpg?

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=viewthread&threadid=88330

my sources say......soon

We can only hope , We can only hope

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

 

Originally posted by GrandMan4

Would anyone be made if it had similar "cartoon" graphics as the new clone wars movie?

 

What, like....

 

I would play it if....

1) PC only

2) Pre-CU / CU Rule set

3) Sandbox Gameplay

What we see above is for the DS and Wii

Here is the link

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/theclonewars/

Originally posted by talismen351

Pretty sure this is a TV cartoon that is to be comming out for next tv season.

No, I got this off the LA GAME site...not TV / MOVIE.

THIS IS ON THE LA WEBSITE....COULD THIS BE THE BIOWARE PROJECT?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184334/page/2

a good thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184334/page/2

a good thread

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/184334/page/2

a good thread

It's anything but a confimation...but the news is uplifting.

IMO....

The best MMORPG would be a bit different. It would have to be SCI-FI and...

1) The SANDBOX game play of UO and SWG

2) A system with  limited or no classes like SWG

3) The content PVE of WOW

4) The PVP content of UO and future mmo WAR ONLINE

5) The Social atmospere of 2nd LIFE and EU

6) The Space combat of EVE only with fully custom starship interiors

7) A SWG style Galaxy of planets...atleast 15 total. Each twice the size of a SWG planet.

OH.... AND WE WILL CALL IT KOTOR ONLINE!!!!

LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnV8dd-UmFw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dRYgLRRLWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP8XMS9NgvQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTxVvoERTM4&feature=related

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

 

Originally posted by Teiraa

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

 

 

2) That is a is either a really nice flashlight or a Lightsaber on that chicks hip. If it's a Lightsaber, it can be nothing else but a Star Wars game. As far as content, rule sets and other details...well that remains to be seen.

Your original post is misleading: It posts 3 pictures that come from a totally different source than the interview!!

 

So please state your sources more in detail in future.

The pictures are concept art for "KOTOR 3", sombody found in a hidden folder on the website of an LA concept artist. But it could be a cancelled game, or a new game, ... nobody knows for sure, whether this is related to Bioware's MMO at all.

Yeah but I see the tie in.

 

 

No one disputes the fact that Lucas is a Master Marketeer, but there is just too much out there to determine what kind of MMORPG it could be. That's the thing about the Starwars Franchise. It is limitless in it's scope!

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

Originally posted by Reklaw

Originally posted by Force_Fire

 

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

 

Originally posted by Force_Fire

My bet is CLONE WARS....but what do I know right

 

I'm going with the DAWN of DEFIENCE tie-in

 

who...what?

The Dawn of Defiance Campaign 

 

Starwars Tabletop FTMFW!