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Question for ya, did you 2 get AOC for it s pve?

Originally posted by banthis

auto attacking in WAR = Dead player

Expect to be Twisting abilities & spamming...just on some toons you have to be careful about spamming...becase you can blow yourself up on accident.

True is this :) You can auto attack but you ll be dead if thats all you do. There are alot of factors involved.

What company has half it s development team go on holidays just after a release lol. That alone shows their incompetence of a company.

LOTRO and WAR imo. LOTRO is a great game all around, plenty to do at all levels. WAR i can tell you has alot more to do then just rvr all day. There is a ton of info out there on this. Anyways thats just my opinion.

They have some counter measures in game to make this not happen. Some is general knowledge some isn t :)

One thing i LOVE about LOTRO, is the community. In a word it s awesome. I will be playing WAR on release, and beyond(in beta and love it). I will also continue to play LOTRO. I got the life sub and truly love the game. My wife and i almost always have 2 games subbed and this game will always be one of them, it s that good. IMO anyways.

Lol, ya you ll die alot in rvr, but it s a fun death, to me anyways :)

Originally posted by banthis

tooga your wife won't be disappointed with endgame pve or pvp for WAR.  The High end / end game PvE dungeons are Public / Group based max group size 6.  Each dungeon has atleast 3 wings.  You can do each wing ina bout an hour and a half (except for one of them which is around 2 or more hours its like the super dungeon). You can do as many wings as you want or just one at a time.   Once you've done all three wings your flagged to go after the boss in an instance with 6 peeps.  It's very group realm based like Public Quests.

People underestimate how much work they've put into the RvR, PvP & PvE wise.

This is true, i should have mentioned more on pve, i was just trying to give you some pvp reasons. I agree entirely that the pve in WAR is hugely underestimated. There is alot of it and alot to do in it. They all meld well into each other and ithink she ll be pleased.

Originally posted by tooga123

my wife has played lineage 2, and WoW. and she does like pvp well at least wows bgs when she is actually feels like she has a purpose for her she likes being the healer cause she is needed, the only way i really know how to put it is like this... in wsg she was the one who went for the flag not really into slaughtering the enemy but working together to actually play the bg the way it suposed to be played, she  would find a big tank(me) or tricky rogue(me) and heal while we ran the flag.

and for pve she was never end game she just took joy in accomplishing dungeons with a group

she is worried war wont bring anything to the table except constant rvr (she hopes there is more then that)

 

as for me... im ready for war. im really excited cause it fits my needs perfectly

Let me tell you a story :) My wife was exactly the same, she hated L2 and WOWs pvp. Overall she hated pvp, then i bought her a copy of DAOC that i have been playing for 2 years. She instantly got hooked. When WAR was announced, knowing they were the makers of DAOC, she went into a store and pre ordered a copy for both of us. See how it changed, a game with pvp(rvr) done right can please even the pve centric type :)
 

For ALL servers to constantly on medium load should be an indication enough. Hell even WOW has servers on light load sometimes. It s fishy, speculation sure but i mean come on.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Baltus

The discussion between which is better at this point is a little silly, especially since not a lot of people have played WAR and the once that have can't talk about it.  

Trying to convince a person that WAR is good when they hate it is like trying to convince an Giant's fan to now root for the Cowboys.    War is not better or worst that WoW, it is different as PB said on a video, if WoW is the Beatles then WAR is the Rolling Stones and that is about it, there is a market for both games and I honestly belive that WAR will do good.

As simple as this, WoW is a PvE centric game with poor PvP (we all can agree on that at least) and WAR is PvP centric with some well thought PvE.  that doesn't mean WAR is better is just means is a  newer game with improved features and a different focus.  every game that comes out brings out new things and if the developers are smart, will improve them, that is why WoW took good stuff from previous games and made it better.   That is why now the WoW expansion will feature sieges, which wont be as good as WAR's just because the game doesn't have the base to do that, they can tweek the engine but it is not the same as building it from the ground up.

WoW is an old game and it is declining,  that is why Blizzard is developing a new mmo, if WoW was still the top game in features they would just develope more expansions,  another thing we have to realize is that better game doesn't always equals more subriptions.   WoW is now for the mmo's what the Ipod is for the mp3 players, there might be better ones but evereybody wants an Ipod.

like everything, there will come a game, it might be war, it might be another game later on that will take the crown from WoW, that is also something that is bound to happen, maybe in 1 year maybe in 4, we just have to wait and see.

 

one thing is sure, WAR is a quality game with lot's of great features and it is VERY well thought out and designed and I can attest to that.

 

 

 

 

You keep saying Warhammer pvp is good and it has decent pve?  You get all that from a closed beta?  PvP is difficult to fine tune and balance is everything. 

You also keep saying WOW is 'declining' when just two months ago, they announced they have reached 10.9 million subscribers.  Not only that, but Vanilla WOW, The expansion AND the battle chest all are on the top 10 PC sales non-stop.  Those are new players buying the game.  WOW is still growing it's subscriber base.

You also make an assumption that pvp is bad in WOW.  Again, play WOW and queue for the Arena or the battlegrounds.  On every server there are 100's of players doing both at any given time.    Right now, not even at endgame, I can queue for AV and get into a 40v40 game within 10 minutes.  There are a lot of people who enjoy pvp in WOW.

And just because a game is new, doesn't mean it will 'improve' the features of an older game.  Funcom did many of the same things that WOW did, but they didn't improve on anything except graphics.

Having played WOW and WARs beta a can assure you WARs pvp in the first 2 minutes to me was funner, more strategy, more meaning and just better in every way. I m not saying people don t pvp in WOW, of course they do, but if someone is into WOW for it s pvp first and pve second, they ll flock to WAR and stay i m sure.
 

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by syxx

Originally posted by Azrile

Warhammer has about a month before WotLK is launched.   I think a lot of it will have to do with Lake Winterspring when it is launched in beta in a few weeks.  There are already videos floating around of WOW's seige weapons and they look fun.   My guess is that most serious WOW pvp'ers ( yes, I can say that with a straight face) will come to Warhammer on Sept 18 and try it.  I also think they will have their eye on the WotLK beta.

It will all come down to how polished Warhammer is during that first month.   If the pvp is bugged, unpolished and imbalanced, I don't think most WOW players will risk falling behind in WotLK hoping Warhammer gets fixed.  There is a huge advantage in WOW to getting to endgame pvp early.

I honestly think Warhammer has the potential to maintain over a million subscribers if it is balanced when launched.  I think WotLK will really limit how long Warhammer has to fix problems though.

 

The problem with this is its still going to be that boring game at level 80 after you run everything a few times. In my opinion all this content is too many years late for blizzard and WoW.

People got turned on to pvp by blizzard as an alternative to raiding and now even more want pvp and theres no better place to go for it then WAR.

WoW will forever be focused on pve, those pve guys that can raid all the time will stay if all of their friends stay in WoW.

Right now though all those pvpers are gonna be flocking to WAR with their friends and their friends, friends for massive pvp battles. Everyone see's WoW now as pve and WAR as pvp  in my opinion.

 

I stated that probably all the serious pvpers will come to Warhammer on Sept 18... but they will also have their eye on  Lake Wintergrasp, which will be the equivelant of an endgame tier in Warhammer.  There will also be a new battleground.  Don't forget that Blizzard is not full of dummies.  All of those hardcore pvpers will be the ones getting beta keys for WotLK.

There is also the inertia factor.   A player is more likely to stay in a game that he is familiar with and has an invested interest in.   Look at  all the terrible games out there kicking around with 50k subscribers who are so invested they will never leave.

No Blizzard aren t dummies , but i m willing to guess the new zone they re putting in will not be on par with WARs 4 th tier in fun or replayability. They just don t know what they re doing when it comes to pvp in WOW. If they did world pvp would have been good for along time now, not just because a far superior pvp(rvr) game is coming out soon.
 

Ah yes Avery at it again. I hope he makes his little article soon, showing the flaws in the game as he promised and not sugar coated. He might save face somehow that way. I have kept in touch with my guildmates from AOC, since all but 1 is heading to WAR and they re down to 5 yes 5 active members from 250, 1.5 months ago. Yet Avery can t and won t see this, he ll find a way to spin it into a viral marketing speech. Oh well good luck in this soon to be even worse off game with 2 huge releases coming up.

This to me anyways, shows why WOW will never be a good pvp game. That looked super lame. Not saying the rest won t be fun, but ugh that looked lame.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Sain34

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Raunu

Honestly, if you really think that a Shamen and Warrior Priest feel like the same class... Then thats just too bad for you.  Just wait till you play the game and compare the two classes for yourself.

You can say this about ANY MMO, there are only 4 Arch types and whatever class you pick will fall into one of these or maybe a combination of them.

For instance if you pick up a bow and shoot people, you fall into the ranged arch type.
Pick up some heavy armor, a sword and shield then you will fall into the tank arch type and so on.
 

If you're really that jaded with MMOs then don't play them. Even with Sandbox games your character will fall into these Arch types.

Honestly, all these people making gloom and doom posts and saying things that are true of many if not all popular MMOs. 

 

But that can be said about WOW too.    An affliction Warlock and a Destruction Warlock are almost completely different (they even need different gear).    An Enhancement Shaman is completely different from an Elemental Shaman.   A Moonkin Druid is completely different than a Feral Druid.   A Shadow Priest is completely different than a Holy Priest.

While it is probably inaccurate to say that Warhammer only really has 6-8 classes.. it's just as inaccurate to say that WOW only has 9 classes.

 

The argument is "what do you consider a class" because I can come out and say that WoW or any other game for that matter only has 4 classes, Tank. healer. MeleeDPS and MagicDPS  and I would be correct.

 

 

And that is exacly my point in my original post.   If you hate WOW, you are going to say that wow has only 9 classes and Warhammer has 20+.   If you are anti-warhammer, you are going to point out that many of Warhammers different classes are actually the same.  It all comes down to what your bias is. 

My point is simply that the difference between an elemental shaman and an enhancement shaman is probably going to be greater than the difference in two of the classes in Warhammer.

I will tell you that is wrong big time. As i said above 2 differently specced shamans as example play so different it s not even funny.  I can t say anymore really except you re wrong :)

As a beta tester i can tell you, your fears can be put to rest :) The diversity in all the classes and how they play are so different. You have base class, for example a shaman can heal as a warrior priest, beyond that they don t feel anything alike. Another example 2 shamans, depending on the career paths you chose they actually feel alot different. I tink you can understand what i m saying. I wouldn t worry on the 4 basic arch types as being all thats available, it simply isnt that way.

Lol Avery the AOC correspondant. Of course theres still people playing, but it s far from the huge success  the fanboys were claiming. Hell i d be suprised if theres more then 100k left.

Originally posted by tr289

i just kinda skimmed over most of the posts ...

1. the open beta is capped because Mythic doesn't want you or even 90% of the current closed beta players to see every thing in the game . they want people to be surprised when they unlock some thing in their TOK . or go to a zone they have never seen before or the first time they come across a ...

2. the first 20 levels are not even close to half the game . there is a lot to see and do but there is a lot more once you start closing in on level 40 .

3. Mythic isn't hiding the end game because there is a problem  ! i am an elder tester . i get to test city sieges and the high level zones ... even after the NDA is dropped i wont be allowed to talk about it ( i don't think ) but i can assure every one that not only is their end game content  there is a  lot of it .  oh ya it works too !   :)

 

anyway can't wait to see you all in OB , i just hope Mythic gives us elders templates for the open servers . we wont have much time to play on them and im really looking forword  to dukeing  it out with you new OB guys and gals . should be much fun  :) 

You are correct, i was stating in a literal sense it s half the game :) As you know i can t go into details.
 

Ugh read the other thread on this. AOC 80 levels got to do 20 levels, War 40 levels with 4 tiers, you get to do 20 and 2 of the 4 tiers. It s nothing to worry about.

I play a guard and the wife plays a hunter. In early levels she pulled hate off me literally doing nothing :) Now in later levels with traits in there, generating threat etc she has a hard time doing so.