All Posts by Deto123

Re subbed and will for awhile, because i ebjoy the game. I probably wouldn t if there was no talk about changes to encourage ORVR, but there is. I personally think there will be alot of huge changes to it, and make it literally a must , so the game will finally be played like it was meant to. I ve always hated the idea of scenarios, and still do, but i have np getting a keep take going or some good old ORVR going. I ve submitted many feedbacks regarding DAOCs Battle Group chat option. Many times in DAOC on my lvl 10 i would find the BG leader join it ask whats up and join them if needed or was something going on. The chat improvments help but a little more RVR centric stuff is needed to make it the game it was meant to be. It will happen just give it time.

yep they sure are. 70+ is great retention rate actually.

Nothing wrong with it at all.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

 

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Originally posted by bodypass
No matter what the die hard fans may say:
War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, laggy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:
- DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game
- Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.
- The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.
All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.
The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.
ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, laggy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.

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Talk about generalization
- I have never played DAOC
- I have never played WOW
- I dont jump from MMO to MMO I stick with a game I like until I am no longer having fun, then find something else to play.

So yes I am enjoying WAR. Previous MMO's I have played/ enjoyed and stuck to for 18 months - Tabula Rasa (9 months in beta) and Guild Wars.

But I agree there are a lot of people posting who jump from MMO to MMO and hate every one of them as its not the same as whatever precious first MMO they played.
 

I said those who LOVE War.
 

You're enjoying the game. I am talking about the lover boys who defend it like it would be the "next generation of MMORPG's". Well it is not.

I agree we NEED another excellent MMORPG  game that has the standard Blizzard quality of games. But neither AoC or War fall into this category. And the reasons why : I summed them up in my last sentence.

I made these categories because people in that categoy tend to "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it.

I already saw the most fanatic followers open their eyes these last days (I won't sum them up - some are even in this post). But WANTING to love a new game with the above kind of basics isn't a good long term driving force.

Of course there are other categories of War players, but these 3 categories are the most prone to why they adore a game which simply is lacking for far too many trying it. And this isn't even an opinion: it is a fact:

Just look at xfire this afternoon: lowest number of playings since launch - in the free time period and after having a status of 15 days best seller at the box office.

 

 

This is fact, lol give me a break.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

[quote]Originally posted by Azrile
[AOC right now is slightly better than Warhammer. 

 

Warhammer is 1000 times better that AoC...Conan isnt even in the same ballpark. The one thing that you need in warhammer to get its full potencial is a good guild or a good group of people to play with. The biggest difference in the 2 is that that there is a "good vs bad" aspect of the game which means you have to team up with people on your side to be victorious. In AoC, its all about kill or be killed. No reason to help others (in pvp)to achieve a certain goal. If AoC had side A vs side B, it would be alot more popular.

 

You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer.  The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay.

In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale.  Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward.   But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios.   Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game.  The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs.   There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios.

The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'.   But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible.

The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.

 

This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.

 

I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.

 

As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better.

Which is exactly why I didn't call his opinion laughable. Maybe the point eluded you, sorry my bad...

I agree he s entitled to his opinion, everyone is of course. The thing is one poster said why he feels WAR is better and another poster says in theory. This isn t true at all. He s right when he says a good guild or group of people, trying to achieve the same goal makes a big difference. The true fun in the game are imo anyways the tier3-4 keep takes with long battles, and many people involved. Win or lose when you re palying witha good group/guild, the constant battles are an absolute blast. All i can say for myself is i didn t once get even close to that feeling in AOC. So, in reality in theory he s wrong because the game plays just like he claimed as theory. Just go find some people to play it with i guess.
 

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

[quote]Originally posted by Azrile
[AOC right now is slightly better than Warhammer. 

 

Warhammer is 1000 times better that AoC...Conan isnt even in the same ballpark. The one thing that you need in warhammer to get its full potencial is a good guild or a good group of people to play with. The biggest difference in the 2 is that that there is a "good vs bad" aspect of the game which means you have to team up with people on your side to be victorious. In AoC, its all about kill or be killed. No reason to help others (in pvp)to achieve a certain goal. If AoC had side A vs side B, it would be alot more popular.

 

You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer.  The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay.

In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale.  Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward.   But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios.   Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game.  The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs.   There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios.

The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'.   But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible.

The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.

 

This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.

 

I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.

As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

[quote]Originally posted by Azrile
[AOC right now is slightly better than Warhammer. 

 

Warhammer is 1000 times better that AoC...Conan isnt even in the same ballpark. The one thing that you need in warhammer to get its full potencial is a good guild or a good group of people to play with. The biggest difference in the 2 is that that there is a "good vs bad" aspect of the game which means you have to team up with people on your side to be victorious. In AoC, its all about kill or be killed. No reason to help others (in pvp)to achieve a certain goal. If AoC had side A vs side B, it would be alot more popular.

 

You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer.  The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay.

In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale.  Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward.   But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios.   Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game.  The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs.   There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios.

The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'.   But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible.

The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.

This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.

Ya not sure on that either. I m lvl 26 and i haven t once just grinded mobs. Theres always something going on, so much so that i don t notice any grind as you say.

Mythic learning from past mistakes(TOA) and listening to their customer base is why this game will get and hold a mill subs. I know some people will laugh at me for saying that, but save my post and come back to it in a year:) I ust have this feeling. In game i never see any of this crap talk as i do on these boards, in fact i m in an alliance and not 1 person in it, which is a rather large one says bad things except the few little things that they can live with because they know Mythic listens and will fix it.

Ok will do

It is so far from a grind imo. You can do many things within any given time. You don t feel like questing , jump in a scenario, thats getting boring do some PQ. Join a warband and take some keeps. I really don t know why it s so hard for some people, but if they feel it s a grind i guess i can t argue it, i find it the complete opposite becuase i always have something to do.

Yes without a doubt.

Why do i have to keep repeating myself, if you ignore these people they get bored and go away. It s like a little kid copying everything you say. If you stop they get bored and move on. Just stop feeding them.

Originally posted by Fireside286

Originally posted by Deto123

Theres always the same few people starting shit about WAR. The game is fun, has a few issues, but for a recent release is in amazing shape. People have to realize that these few people are a HUGE minority and theres no real need to defend anything against these few. If you re having fun , play it and ignore them. I for one haven t had this much fun in a MMO in years. I ve said it in other posts, if someone is giving their reveiw, or criticizing a game that i m playing, i don t bother responding many times because i could give a rats ass what they say, it s my review i only care about. So morale of the story don t feed these people you re only feeding their egos, and really who cares what they have t say, it won t effect anyone in the long run.

 

Deto,

You must care you just posted on this thread....

Nah just making a point is all, honestly i don t :)
 

Theres always the same few people starting shit about WAR. The game is fun, has a few issues, but for a recent release is in amazing shape. People have to realize that these few people are a HUGE minority and theres no real need to defend anything against these few. If you re having fun , play it and ignore them. I for one haven t had this much fun in a MMO in years. I ve said it in other posts, if someone is giving their reveiw, or criticizing a game that i m playing, i don t bother responding many times because i could give a rats ass what they say, it s my review i only care about. So morale of the story don t feed these people you re only feeding their egos, and really who cares what they have t say, it won t effect anyone in the long run.

I actually re subbed after WAR released, to see how it was doing.  I do that with old games alot as i m playing my game of choice i ll see how old ones are doing. On the servers i logged into, i can t see any increase or real decrease. It s still pretty damn barren to me. I don t think this game will ever re coup like some want it to, but i don t think it will be shut dow like others want it to.

Only people that give it  1 are not playing it and just trying to get the rabid fanboys who gave it a 10 down a notch. It s a solid 8.5-9 to me because it s very fun and my whole guild agrees.

Originally posted by PapaLazarou

This isn't his review of the game and is just his initial impressions of what he first saw so I don't get why people are slaggin him off for it. Also if you ain't having fun by level 3 which takes about 10 mins to get to then why would you want to play on?

I know from experience with the game and other mmorpgs that the first few levels is how the rest of the game plays.

I completely disagree. I remember WOW the first few levels i thought hmm pretty good, and i hated it by level 20. In WAR i actually thought hmm ok it s doable at level 5 by the time i hit 12 and keep takes etc i LOVED it. So no not all need will be the same at lvl 3 and 20 etc.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Locklain

As feedback for beta I posted that we should be able to queue for all three scenarios at once.  Not only would this cut down on queue times but we would see a much better blend of the classes being played for both factions.

 

You can basically. Join someone in another pairing and join theirs. When the game is live and guilds are more prominent, this won t be an issue at all. My guild in OB we do it all the time, and mix them up.

Yes, I understand that but at lower levels a lot of people have still not left their pairings.  This is why the Order side may have one tank running around in Nordenwatch.  It would also disburse some of the Bright Wizards people are playing.  Its a wonder to not have at least four of them in a scenario.  Last night I ran into a group of six of them, a couple marauders ran in and took them down faster then they could tuck tail and run.

You don t need to leave your pairings to do this :)

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Deto123

Honestly as much as i detest FC i feel sorry for people playing still and trying to like AOC. It s truly in bad shape. I m glad i cancelled ages ago and got my copy as a gift.

 

Eh, no worries man, I doubt this will be the case with WAR. I plan to pick that up next week, open beta has been a blast so far.

Ya, i m an elder tester and knew i would love the game. I m a 2 game going at once type so i was hoping AOC would be my secondary game. Nope didn t work out, but i have Life sub for LOTRO and i m enjoying that game as a secondary to WAR.