Originally posted by Cammy

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by nightbird305

 Care to throw a link to this guys bio?

 

www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/3740/Real-Money-Real-Problems.html

Out of date but I believe this is the same guy...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jennings_(game_designer)

 

Yes it is....

and of course the Naysayers will say "nothing will be done"... but this is REAL evidence NCSoft does care and are doing something about the situation. Everyone knows it needs to be addressed, the sooner it is, the happier their client base will be.

 

Obviously won't happen over night.

I m not a naysayer at all, and no nothing will really be done. If it can which I doubt why wasn t it addressed in the first place. I mean they ve had plenty of time to see how it would be with the realse in Asia. Unless they re just dumb or blind or both, they had to have none it would happen here as well.
 

Highly doubt it will do a thing. This is my opinion of course but the botters will find a way around anything they throw at them.

I personally hated the game, tried it since launch till a couple weeks ago. I really did try to like it, but thats another story. The bots and before anyone comes here and says theres next to none, are terrible. It is BS if anyone says it isn t a problem. Literally my whole guild that ent to Aion from various games mainly DAOC has left, and won t return.

It is a boring game I ll agree with that. I m not sure what people see in it, but people like different things.

A good friend of mine is in CB. What he s told me alone(not to mention watching him play) made me pre order. I loved COX, but it needed more in content and char development. All I can say you re in luck if thats what you want. Not to mention the combat is awesome.

Just pre ordered 2 copies for my wife and I. Looking forward to it. Is there a code for the 17th or is it just first come first serve. If there is I need to phone EB Games pronto.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Look at the latest announced (and sometimes already implemented) changes.

Level through doing PvP.

Joining BG's from everywhere.

Dual specs (even when you are in a dungeon/raid) helping the group or doing the PVP/PVE spec switch in one second.

In game one button gear switcher (for the dual spec)

In game portable bank to stock that extra spec gear.

Experiene turned off or on at will.

BG's for twinks only !

Switching factions to where your newer friends are (server/faction).

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Those changes were asked by the players already for years now and finally it happens.

And you moan .....

Silly.

Hmm interesting. Is there a link to how these twink only bg s work, or could you explain it. I m not a twink and used to just leave BGs with them. I ll be very interested to know if I can pick a BG without them . If so I ll return quickly.
 

Originally posted by MisterZebub

High heels and skimpy costumes on females in a video game? I don't really see a problem with it. However with the rise of 21st century metrosexualism and the continuing evolution of womens lib, why not high heels and skimpy outfits on the male characters?

Ladies? What say you?

LOL, how true.

Do not buy this game without a trial IMO. It is one of the worst experiences I ve had in a MMO. That said I m sure some like it. If you liked DAOC style pvp(best ever) then no you won t like it. If you enjoyed SB you might like it. If you like beating a stick with your oversized (and now glowy) stick, ya you might like it. Problem most people have that I talked to in game and who have quit, is they hate the whack-a-mole style of combat. You might need a new left mouse button after awhile :)

I re subbed and promptly cancelled again. It just isn t enough. Sure some will say I ve not seen it all etc. Thats fine but I just know when a game isn t doing it for me anymore. I ll move onto MO I think.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

I just wish people would talk more about the actual game instead of the fucking company for an intresting change

 

Well they shouldn t make it so easy to critic them then. Enough with this other companies do this shit. In the statements above it states that you can come buy EU version and can transfer to NA when available. Why the fuck is it so hard to understand that charging a fee to  transfer announcment at the time of the original post by the moron that leads this company would have made all this a non issue. All it s doing is upsetting current and future customers to the point I swear they want to declare banruptcy. In all honesty that would be the best thing for the genre.

On a side note show me anywhere that Aion said you could join them on Chinese version and transfer over to NA when it s released. It s common knowledge that if you make an account there thats it. People that do it know full well they have to buy a new copy etc when NA releases. Now if NC Soft said come join us just pay $$$ and when NA is released we ll let you transfer. Then all of a sudden said oh btw it will cost you full price, or wait a few months and a transfer fee, yes I would be pissed with them too.

These posts of how it is, deal with it, all companies do this, is total BS. If this was your intention and it was known I can guarentee only a few rabid followers would have done it. No way in hell everyone that bought EU and would  have known this info would be so stupid to have followed this route. Stop justifying it, its a scam flat out.

Played it , cancelled was going to possibly join NA server, but will not ever subscribe to this game again. Already sold account after recent news. The company deserves to go under IMO, and will soon enough once they spread out the declining population by adding a new server. Just not sure what they re thinking. At first the game was thriving, of course most new games have a huge surge, but it s becoming a barren wasteland. I can t see even close to enough interest to keep 2 servers going let alone one.

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by seabeast

I don't agree with them stripping the character. I don't see an issue with paying for a server transfer. It's hard to believe but I am not trying to pick a fight, I just don;t see how people expected to just be dropped onto the NA servers for no cost after signing up with EU. That doesn't make any sense.

 

IT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID...IT IS HOW THEY DID IT! GET IT?
 

 

Quote was getting to long for me, anyway.

Yes I understand that they should have said sooner then they did there would be a cost involved. I'm sure many people would have just waited for NA release if they knew they would have to pay for a transfer, but I don't understand why anyone thought it would be free in the first place.

They never stated you would be able to select NA servers from the game menu once it was launched. They stated that they are going to offer transfer to that server, which implies they are not going to be connected to the same network. Some companies allow you to change regions, some don't. You also have to look at the word "launch". Generally when new servers come up, they don't fall into the "launch" catagory. This also implies the EU and NA servers are seperate.

 

My point is the exact opposite of what you posted can be argued as well. They re a shady company I don t think anyone can argue that.
 

So lets say you re playing a game at release. It has NA and EU servers. It bombs in EU,and closes down there, no company out there is going to make all chars on EU servers pay a transfer fee or make you buy a new copy to go to the other existing servers in NA. They will offer it free, or something to compensate like free months etc.

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by Deto123

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by JTBanker

Originally posted by Nicksd

 

The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.

 

NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.

Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)

Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.

There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Alright  "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.

Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.

Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..

"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet."  - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.

"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.

From 2/18/09

"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.

 

How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
 

So you want to be able to transfer a character who has been gaining skills, to a fresh server? Seems to me you just want a head start on other players. I don't know of any game that will allow server transfer from day 1 on a new server. They never promised free transfers. They never said you could use the same "client"(yes there is that nasty word again I know). All they said was there will be an option to switch to NA servers if you decided to play at EU launch, which is what they are doing.

Exactly, but they never said there would be a cost either. I could care less about the 3 month thing thats fine, but to charge for transfer after you ve paid them money isn t right. On top of it they re stripping your char of possesions. How you can t see this is unjust is beyond me.
 

Originally posted by Nicksd

Originally posted by JTBanker

Originally posted by Nicksd

 

The client you paid for makes all the differance in the world, you paid for EU service plain and simple. How many other games do you know of that run different clients for different regions. Do they allow you to swap between the regions at will? And for free? Yes some games have servers across the globe that run on the same client, but many games use seperate clients, and you must pay for each.

 

NO one paid for a client, it was a free torrent download or are you purposely glossing over that fact. Yes people paid to use the EU server UNTIL the NA server came up as Tacos originally stated.

Other games that run different clients do so because of translations and other limitations on them by foreign governments. For example you don't make games that sell in Germany that have Nazis in them, you don't have games where players can be Pandas and sell them in China (reason WoW doesn't have pandarans as player playable race)

Other companies make it quite clear AT LAUNCH that here is a different client required for each region, Av never did that and any sane thinking person would have taken what they had posted as NOT requiring a new client for a NA launch. Hell they even said that but I assume that you just want to troll and don't want to acknowledge the truth.

There are more then enough threads going back 6 months on this forum alone that show what was promised whether you want to believe it or not.

 

Alright  "client" is not really the correct wording, but them using 2 different publishers is where this whole issue is coming from. You can't expect to pay for a service from 1 place, and get service from another. That's just stupid. You paid for access to the EU servers which is being run by 1 publisher. They stated that they would get the NA servers up as soon as they could, if they found a publisher for them or not, but you paid for service from the people running the EU servers. I read these post by Tasos, and I see no place where he implies it would be free to change locations.

Where does he say people who want to start on the EU servers will be given free access to the NA ones? What I read was him saying if you wanted to play before the NA launch you could, but by no means does that mean you would be allowed to transfer to the NA ones.

Just a couple quotes by Tasos from 7/29/08..

"We have a publishing partner in Europe; we haven’t settled on one in N. America yet."  - This implies it will be 2 different companies providing service.

"What we can say with relative certainty is that the first beta test will be on the European servers. This isn’t to say that N. American players will be excluded from it. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that N. American players would be excluded from playing on a European server." - All this says to me is they are not doing ip blocks, and american ip's are allowed to play on EU servers.

From 2/18/09

"Players in North America are welcome to participate in the European Launch. The plans for US servers aren’t finalized at the time of this announcement. We will offer the option for character migration to US servers for N. American players who wish to use it." - Yes this is a little vauge, but how you got free transfers from this is beyond me.

 

How you get pay for another copy, or transfer 3 months later at a cost in there is beyond me.
 

Originally posted by Teiman

 

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Originally posted by xzyax
Aventurine purposefully mislead their current customers, and changed the wording on their web-site AFTER the customers had already bought the product.
 
Not sure what the out-come of a bait-and-switch class action lawsuit would be, but I think there would be a few lawyers that would take the case.
 
Back in Feb. when it launched the web site said that players could have one character PER SERVER.
Shortly before the announcement of the NA server they changed that to read one character PER ACCOUNT.

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 Thats how all games work, mate.  You can't make a Warhammer character in USA with  a EU account. You are mixing two different things here: gameplay...  one character per server.. to stop people from doing EVE spy works.  And a accounting thing: You need a USA account to play in a usa server, and a EU acount to play on a eu server.  
Easy for you:
USA: you can make ONE character per server.
EU: you can make ONE character per server. 
You can't play the game on one territory on the other. So you can't use your EU
 account to play in USA, you need a USA account to play in USA for legal reasons. Like in *all* other games.
Other than that, I think these legal reasons are crap. I hate that I can't play in USA with my EU  client in tons of games. 
How is that different to any other game? 
 

God i ll say it again. They said buy the EU version, and when the NA server releases you can transfer. Nowhere did it mention a cost. It s misleading no matter how you look at it. The funniest part is your char is transfer/cloned whatever it is, but your items aren . This is a joke within a joke.